James Dyson: "The EU should spur invention, not mediocrity"

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Really Sebo_fan? I wonder what using suction to clean the cleaning tools does to the suction available to vacuum the floor? Just saying .............

Btw, I am weird enough to use the bare hose, or sometimes the crevice tool to suck the dust bunnies and hair off a tool I just finished using, especially floor brushes, before I stow them. But self cleaning? Oh my! Makes me think of those Japanese commodes that wash you with warm water and then blow you dry underneath, lol :o
 
I guess I'm not following Sebo_fan. Only one of those motors provides suction, the other drives the brush. Bleed off suction for tool cleaning and you have less suction for carpet or floor cleaning. It's kind of like opening the little slot on the end of the hose to decrease suction.
 
Depends on what vacuum cleaner you might have, DT.

Take SEBO for example - some of their uprights have two motors - the Felix is a good example. Due to the tight sealed suction, there is enough power from low to high that shifts dirt quickly.
 
Sebo_fan, I am pretty familiar with Sebo and Windsor uprights. I have two of them. One of those two motors spins the brush and provides no suction. Those vacuums are the equivalent of a canister with it's vacuum motor and powered brush with it's separate motor. The brush motor doesn't add suction, only agitation. If you bleed off suction from the suction motor to clean tools, that is less suction to clean floors. You can't get around that detail. Now whether or not a particular vacuum has suction to spare is an argument that can never be settled (see the discussion of vacuum wattage vs how well they clean a given floor).

Btw, I deliberatly gave the two motor Windsor uprights a pass because they are too heavy and are tiring to push around, and they are clumsy to use in carpeted bedrooms. Nein, danke.
 
SEBO Felix

So DT, have you ever tried a SEBO Felix which has 2 motors and lighter than Windsor. If so, what are your thoughts on the Felix?
 
Im quite confused DT

Your profile states that you are into Windsor vacs and that your cleaning crew has them. You also appear to like them. You own two S12 models by Windsor, or as we used to be able to get them in the UK, the SEBO G1/G2 series with manual height adjustment.

The Felix is marginally lighter than the X series in my opinion, but you win the swivel plus of the Felix plus it can be used with suction only tools, thus at its most maximum weighs 5kg without the PN added.

Im not saying that SEBO should add suction-cleaning tools to their roster of design, but moving on with the duster idea that Electrolux/Eureka fitted to some of their bagless uprights, I'm sure cleaning off tools once they are installed into a cradle of some sort could be cleaned off. It is just a thought I had, not an intentional move for any brand to pick up and I was just interested to know if anyone knew of any vacuum cleaner that has those kind of tool holders.

If we are going to go pedantic about vacuum watts vs cleaning a floor, not all floors are level, not all kinds of carpet have the same pile. There are many variables to consider, it's not just about a brush roll or whether the machine has auto adjustment or manual.
 
Well here is a surprise, James whining on like a little crybaby. (Oh my heart bleeds, I'll just get out my violin)

I was a fan of him and Dyson, until for no good explainable reason they turned down my application to work for them. Apparently I did not show enough skill in engineering on the CV and it wouldn't be fair for other applicants. OK, so at uni we have massive amounts of resources and time? Is this fair on me though, judging without even knowing?
So much for a company wanting engineers in a so-called shortage!

Total bull, as is all the nonsense about the plastic monstrosities being powerful and 'the best' and how they never loose suction, ever.

It will be back to Miele for me, don't know why I left them in the first place, and I shall sell only Miele. After all, we all know how a Dyson deals with sand... Even reps tell us not too use sand. Oh dear, how that opens a can of worms! All I need is red sand, black carpet and a interceptor, and their sales will drop like a tarts knickers.

Maybe I am too good for Dyson, and I know the truth of all the shameless marketing and empty claims, so actually I should be thankful, I will apply to work for Miele instead. Go back to the hole you came from Jimmy and stop talking tripe.
 
Are you technically saying because Dyson doesn't want you to work for them so you not going to sell Dyson any more and to make people buy Miele instead and make Dyson look bad that doesn't seem very fair. For what I can see Dyson outcleans miele on the new EU tests
 
It wont take a disheartened sales man to cut Dysons sales.

Its going to be very simple for customers to buy a new vac now and very simple for JD to have the market swept from under his feet thanks to these new amazing labels.

Just like when they took off with washing machines this will happen.

Any customer wanting a new vac will look for AAA ratings on machines first.

When they find the machines with these ratings I reckon they will look for a price they like.

and finally check the brand to make sure that fits too along with features they may want.

When folk start realising they dont need to spend Dyson money to get AAA ratings and its purely down to finding features and reliability folk will flock from buying Dysons and start buying other brands.

What with Vax's 6 year warranty, a NLOS machine with features galore and all for around £100 that ought to be enough to stick him out of business .

Lets see how 'Cinetic' his bank balance stays then haha
 
Yes Dysonboy that is what I am saying. It is a long story but it is out of principle. Dyson are nothing but cheats and liars.

I can't remember where I found out, but the DC41 claim of being the most powerful upright is a claim based on that machine along with two, yes TWO cheap bag less machines. Hardly powerful of ALL uprights is it. Try any Dyson upright against my S7 or a Sebo and you'll see the difference.

Dyson has got as far as it has by marketing and deception, basically no moral backbone.

Yes Turbomaster, I know but one can only try. Does anyone know where I might find a vacuum interceptor?
 
Sorry but I don't think Dyson does cheats and lies if is not true they can't sayit What you are saying is just poo sorry but the DC 41 Claim you're saying is just not true they have to test it between most vacuum I've never seen the claim the most powerful upright i have seen the claim the most powerful upright at the cleaner head. I know why you don't like Dyson any more because they don't want you to work for them. I'm hundred percent sure it's just a rumour where you got information about the claim
 
Yeah but VAX customer service is horrible. They send you the wrong parts they don't cover certain parts and they're rude. He is a picture of the Dyson on the catalogue it says it cleans better than any other vacuum cross carpet hard floors

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Ok, not two but a handful then as seen in this diagram:
http://www.dyson.co.uk/twicethesuction/dc41.aspx

Consumer reports: A DC41 is equally as bad at cleaning carpets as a Eureka
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/...how-that-some-claims-need-deflating/index.htm

Hardly all vacuums is it as he claims. Think of all the thousands of them out there. Oh, I like how they only test bagless though, no Sebo, Miele or Kirby. Hmm...

By the way dysonboy, change your profile picture, no one needs a Dyson, especially not over a Miele anyway
 
I will not CHANGE my profile picture.As you can say from the new labels vax and Dyson outcleans Miele.I would take a Dyson over Miele any day. I Would like miele if they did A powerhead models and If the bags weren't so expensive

Suction power is measured in air watts, and as you can see, the Dyson DC41 has twice the suction of any upright vacuum. This is made possible by Dyson’s patented cyclone technology – technology that can’t be copied.

* Suction tested against upright market at the cleaner head, dust-loaded as per IEC 60312-1 Cl. 5.8 & Cl. 5.9.
Graph shows DC41 Animal compared to sample of top performing competitors.
 
You seem to be forgetting dysonboy, that suction alone does not clean carpets.
Again this seems to be false advertising. Simply saying it has twice the suction, does not mean it cleans better, as we know, agitation is key. This is the hype dyson uses to con people in to an overpriced monstrosity.

Seamus, I found a video. Thats the inceptor thing I would like to try. I bet even a Miele turbo nozzle will out clean that Dyson.

Watching this video, why would you want to spend £400 on a DC41, when you can spend half on a Miele S7. £200 is a lot of bags, 80 actually, and they will last for years and years

http://https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKmsf8B7pDo
 
In fact I haven't forgotten that's why Miele canisters don't clean very well all the new Dysons outcleans Miele and it is not false advertising you can clearly see it has strong suction at the cleaner head that all their showing you. Any the Miele S7 is a monstrosity. I doubt A Miele Turbo nozzle out clean that Dyson that's just silly say you buy a miele S7 for 300 pound then you spend £200 on bags that's a lot of money.the DC 41 is not always 400 pound you can always see the for 330.
 
Yes I am annoyed, and you would be if you were in my shoes, its a long story, but in essence building someone up to knock them down, especially a life long dream. My last contact from them was that even if I did an engineering degree, there would be no guarantee. I said ok, what if I work on some concepts at home, apparently this would not count as engineering acumen despite it developing and testing new ideas.

I would not be surprised if it is down to some part on my disability, I would not seem to be the 'character' that Dyson want.
Dyson have no moral scruples, thats not the type of company I want to work for, or to sell to my customers.

What Dyson say is not what Dyson actually do. All those believe that Dyson moved production from the UK because they couldn't get planning permission is deluded, as look, Dyson are expanding their campus! Translated it means, 'we wanted to make more money'.

And there will be a backlash from other members for you saying the S7 is a monstrosity.
 
Hiya, Sorry you have had such a bad experience with Dyson not giving you a chance. You actually sound quite upset by it. What is your disability? I have aspergers - is it anything similar? This is why I have always been so obsessed with vacuum cleaners especially Dysons. Hence I will always love them and get upset that you won't sell them!!! I would love to meet Mr Dyson. Any ho! Hope you will sell Dysons in the future.
 
Thing is dysonboy, Vax staff are very kind & dealt with me when my Air3 floorhead broke. They were kind, phone time was quick & delivery was very speedy.

So I don't see where you get the fact that Vax staff are rude, because in reality they're not. At least their machines don't cost an arm & a leg to purchase.

So if you want to be forever tied to Dyson then that's up to you, I'll let you happily believe false claims made against cheap bagless vacs. :)
 
Will you might have a good experien but I didn't do my just been the lady I talkbut I'm sure vax have got good customer service. Is not false claims if they were false claims can't be saying it if you're happy believing that Roma that's fine
 
Yes dysonboy, I have aspergers, so I am pretty much similar to you. Its always nice meeting a fellow aspie!

Ever since Dyson, I was in the same thought as you are now, I too idolised James, as like him I managed to overcome odds, but after one too many disappoints with Dyson now, they have lost a loyal fan forever. It's gutting, my late grandparents were the ones that encouraged me along with Dyson, they even bought one for me to use when I was staying over, despite me feeling I have let them down, I know they are looking down on me saying, 'move on and ignore them adam, you can achieve much better'. Besides, dyson did say without a doubt, I am talented at what I do, so it will go to good use.
 

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