Isn't it just.. Beautiful?! :-)

[marcusprit]

I'm sorry Stan I'm not convinced I would say hard floors are the most hygienic followed by low pile carpet.

If high pile carpet is the most hygienic why isn't it used in hospitals?

 

[sptyks]

Marc, I'm sorry I mis-spoke. I did not intend to say hard floors were hygienic. I meant to say thicker carpets are most hygienic as they trap the most airborne crap.


 


When you vacuum with a high quality machine like Riccar or Kirby you get all that crap out of your carpet and eventually out of your house whenever you change the bag.

 

[sebo_fan]

Well, it just goes to prove that CRI are a lot of hot air if they are passing off nonsense that thick pile carpeting is more hygienic.

Taken from the NHS/National Health Service website in the UK:



http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Allergies/Pages/Prevention.aspx

 

[sebo_fan]

Ralph, I have no idea what you are referring to. I don't see a link, sadly.

I don't need a link - I have responded saying that no vacuum is perfect.

But in defence of the Felix, it isn't your conventional vacuum. Only a few owners are beginning to realise that they don't need to power up the vacuum to the highest speed because they've done it before on other brands' offerings. Thus you minimise the heat thrust coming off it. Newer models aren't as hot to run any more, either.

Likewise with hard dirt pick up. A Felix floor head can easily pick up coins, hard stones, even bits of LEGO and some traffic dust in home that a dirty fan upright may well chuck up or break up with.

Yes, the hose is short - but SEBO don't market it as a full size upright either - otherwise it would have a much bigger dust bag on board and probably a longer hose or wand & hose set up.

There are pros and cons to a SEBO, same with any vacuum from any brand.

 

[kirbymodel2c]

lol

<span style="font-family: book antiqua,palatino;">Hi, I've seen more dust blowing around on hard floors than on carpets. So as long as there well maintained I can't see a problem.</span>


 


<span style="font-family: book antiqua,palatino;">Also I'd take more notice of what CRI have to say over that what the consumer magazines have to say. </span>


<span style="font-family: book antiqua,palatino;">One example that comes to mind.</span>


<span style="font-family: book antiqua,palatino;">Which magazine was asked for their thoughts on the BBC radio 2 "Jeremy vine show" last year when the EU wattage limits on vacuums came in to effect. They was saying this was a bad thing and our vacuums would clean less well if the wattage was restricted.... Yeah they know what their talking about.

</span>


 


<span style="font-family: book antiqua,palatino;">James

</span>

 

[marcusprit]

Carpets hold a lot of dirt it sticks to the fibres. Use a carpet extractor and look at the colour of the water.

The deeper the pile the more dirt. With a hard floor you can steam clean it regularly. Its the most hygienic this is why it's used in hospitals.

But carpet is fine im just saying its not the MOST hygienic.

 

[oliveoiltinfoil]

Time for me to stick my ore in once again lol.

The Sebo Felix is certainly designed for hardfloors. As well as the array of combination attachments such as the combi, you have the parquet nozzle, but also the Disco head, which polishes and vacuums at the same time, and it really does work, I have seen one in action.

Also, I really, really can not see how the felix is "terrible" at deep pile carpet cleaning. There are hundreds of vacuums which do a genuinely piss poor job of deep cleaning dense piled carpeting. Right, so the felix is no Kirby, probably doesn't deep clean as well but there are not many vacuums that matches the felix. The Felix cleans every bit as well, in my opinion better than a Miele S7, which used to bunny hop over my hall carpets, not digging in far enough.

The bristles the PT1 powerhead whatever it is called, the one use don the felix and the newest canisters from sebo have stiff, long bristles coupled with a 175 watt motor to spin it.

But again, it may be beyond the whole "its not a Kirby " excuse, but looking at the bigger picture, it may be a patriotism problem; the Sebo is of course German, not American. So we can't like it too much. Although that might go for a lot of US customers, but then again there is nothing wrong with buying home grown products, in-fact it is admirable, but the British for one, and probably most Europeans would rather buy a good product and not care where it is from.

 

[sebo_fan]

I didn't quote a magazine though, Im quoting what OUR British health system suggests.

Frankly I'd believe what the health system says regarding allergies and dust emissions than reliance fully on a CRI system where brands are evidently paying the company to test and elevate their ratings.

If CRI have tested carpet pick up and dust thoroughly, it won't just be measuring it by weight or whatever is picked up. After all, we all know too much aggression on a carpet pile removes more carpet than dust. Just think of the arduous task of having to differntiate what is actual dust and what is actual carpet!

See dust on a hard floor? Sweep it up with a brush or wet mop it. Gone. With carpet there's never the truth that 100% of dust has been removed with one sweep. Not to mention the BARE fact that hard floors are non-porous. Less hygienic than POROUS carpet? Come on!

Oil - its a good oar to stick in - bearing in mind that the US have plenty of central vacs with a SEBO ET-1 stuck on the end. I'd be more interested to know if those PN's can't cope with so-called plush carpet from real owners.

After all, end of the day, there's no difference between the Felix or any of SEBO's line up that use the same ET-1 power nozzle.

 

[sebo_fan]

Also James, I am a current Which subscriber, I don't believe in everything they report on, but I do like some of the gadgets and home saving ideas that they do test.

The issue isn't so much the fact that Which says the EU law was a bad thing, but rather because they have looked at the EU labels that come with each of the vacuums that they have suggested are "best buys," but the cleaning data supplied conflicts with their own findings.

If you like I can easily scan the pages that show this, but since you're not interested in what consumer magazines say, I'll not bother.

 

[gsheen]

As someone who has owed homes with No carpet and fully Carpeted home I can say without a doubt that with hardflooring their is more dust around to be breathed in the works.

Here is the rub Hardflooring is easier to clean and keep clean and stain free than carpet BUT and its a big but Carpet is far better at keeping dust levels down inside a home. On Carpet the dust settles and gets trappes by the carpet (like a filter) Then you use your good quality vacuum to remove the dust. On hardflooring it blows everywere onto everything into everything.

We arr curremtly carpeting our home getting rid of hardflooring

 

[kirbymodel2c]

True

<span style="font-family: book antiqua,palatino;">I do see what you mean but the dust on a hard floors moves around more than on a carpet.</span>


<span style="font-family: book antiqua,palatino;">I would prefer not to have to sweep a hard floor several times a day. Especially if you have pets like cats and dogs.</span>


<span style="font-family: book antiqua,palatino;">Not that most people need a floor to be 99.99% bacteria free.</span>


 


<span style="font-family: book antiqua,palatino;">I'm sure CRI know allot more about carpet cleaning than we do.....Also remember they measure change in the carpet appearance when testing each vacuum cleaner. So they know what damage could be caused when removing dirt from a carpet.</span>


<span style="font-family: book antiqua,palatino;">But if you still disagree with how they test things you could always contact them with your concerns and see what they have to say for themselves.</span>


 


<span style="font-family: book antiqua,palatino;">Also you could ask a member on here who works for a company that has ratings with CRI and ask if they paid for each one of their gold award vacuums to have a gold award.</span>


 


<span style="font-family: book antiqua,palatino;">James

</span>

 

[kirbyloverdan]

Nothing to do with

Patriotism I own 4 Mercedes Benz's I love German cars .

You must come to America and see the carpets we have there are MANY vacuums that can't be used on our deep pile carpets .

Dan

 

[sebo_fan]

"...As someone who has owed homes with No carpet and fully Carpeted home I can say without a doubt that with hardflooring their is more dust around to be breathed in the works..."

Yes but you're in South Africa. And come to think of it, most homes in the U.S have indoor fans. Ceiling fans blow dust around, as do air conditioners, both of which the majority of homes in the UK don't have. Also, the fact that when the sun soars, windows are opened, so airborne dust also has a chance to escape.

Surely the addition of fans/ceiling fans are contributing to the indoor dust build up and having it float around or settle on a carpet?

Regarding pets; its a heck of a lot easier to sweep up or mop up if liquid accidents occur on hard floors. And, really if you can't abide sweeping hard floors several times a day, spare a thought for many a housewife stuck in the home in the 1960s who had to sweep the kitchen floors several times a day, pet owner or not.

Nothing has changed in home in terms of hard floors versus carpet. I like hard floors - they are a heck of a lot easier to clean and manage, but where I am located in Scotland - carpets are a must to insulate the whole home at the very least. But I wouldn't ever say they were more hygienic and with it being so cold most of the year, windows are hardly opened unless to let in fresh air a bit at a time.

As for CRI I already found their pdfs online on how they test. They use luminous powder to measure the amount of dirt picked up in vacuums. Oh yes, fine and dandy in a controlled room, but in a normal home with added air and dust flying around and settling down into a carpet, we can never be really sure just what the vacuum is picking up regarding actual dust versus carpet pile shreds.

 

[marcusprit]

If you use a steam mop the dust won't blow around or even just a mop. As i say in the vast majority of hospitals where cleanliness has to be at it's highest they use hardfloors.

Bacteria will grow in carpets, dirt will stick to the fibres as will dust mites.

Yes i agree dust will cling to the fibres but fine dust can still become airborne especially by the agitation of a Power Nozzle.

PS I agree with Oliver and Nar who make some very good points!

 

[marcusprit]

And the CRI have an vested interest in promoting carpets.

 

[turbo500]

Not that most people need a floor to be 99.99% bacteria free

James, I completely agree!


 


Who the hell eats off the floor?


 


I know this is a factor where people have babies and small children, but how are they supposed to build their immune systems if the home is sterile?


 


I'm not a lover of hard floors. They're not easier to keep clean - they have to be swept or vacuumed and then mopped. At least with a carpet, just run the vacuum over it and job done.


 


However, I do believe they're more hygenic. Dust particles and grit becomes trapped in the carpet fibres which is then blown back into the air when the carpet is walked on. Not to mention dust mites and dust mite allergens which live in the carpet - these are the single biggest cause of dust allergies and dust related asthma attacks. Dust mites live in soft furnishings, so this isn't an issue with hard floors. Same with fleas if you have pets. You'll soon know if your pet has picked up fleas with a hard floor - they'll be hopping about all over the place.


 


It's far easier to make a hard surface sterile, but in an average home environment, I don't think that's an important factor.


 


Having said that, the thought of having a carpet in a bathroom or kitchen makes me feel a little bit sick

[this post was last edited: 4/21/2015-08:14]

 

[marcusprit]

Very true Chris. One point though.... It's easier to remove dust mites from hard floors. They cling to carpet fibres. An allergy specialist will recommend removing carpets and replacing them with hardwood floors and a washable rug if needed.

You can use a steam mop or the new Vax Floor mate is actually very much improved.

 

[turbo500]

It's easier to remove dust mites from hard floors

I know, that's what I said


 


<blockquote>
Not to mention dust mites and dust mite allergens which live in the carpet - these are the single biggest cause of dust allergies and dust related asthma attacks. Dust mites live in soft furnishings, so this isn't an issue with hard floors.


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[marcusprit]

Oh yes you did. A gold star for you

 

[sptyks]

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