Is there any difference between an 800w Miele and a 1600w one?

[hi-loswitch98]

Stuck between purchasing two models of Miele C2 - either the C2 Ecoline at 800w or the C2 Powerline at 1600w.

Is there any difference between suction power on these?

Many thanks

 

[sebo_fan]

I can't say I have experience of a 800 watt Miele C2. I have however read reviews in other European countries and owners seem to be disappointed with the lack of pull from the 800 watt models. Thus Im quite happy to stick with my "old" 1200 watt S8 Ecoline. I doubt I would buy another Miele S8 after it though as the 1200 watt one seems powerful enough without going any lower.

 

[vacerator]

Becham,

Miele says all of their cleaners use the same wattage motor.
The C1's use the large dustbag like the C3. The C2 is smaller.
C1 is made in China, and not a sealed system. There is no gasket between the lid and the body, only the bag chamber and lid. Exhaust air escapes around the body after the motor, where as in the C2, and C3 have an additional gasket set between the exhaust and filter, and motor and body shell.

 

[hi-loswitch98]

sebo_fan: So I should opt for the C2 Powerline then? The reviews on that show that 1600w is plenty of power and they never require the maximum setting. Normally, the eco Miele models have the EcoTeq floorhead the but one I was considering purchasing had the standard Allteq head. I suppose there is also the C3/S8 model on both ao.com and Currys for £139 except the one from Currys is 1600w and the ao.com version is the new 1200w model.

Vacerator: I'm not sure whether Miele's in the US all use 1200w but the models here vary from 700w to 1600w. Both C2 models I was looking at (800w and 1600w) are essentially the S5 models so use the same dust bag as the C3/S8. There are C1/S2 models available here but I was only looking at the C2 S5 versions.

 

[eurekaprince]

Hi Mike,

Just a small correction: the Miele Classic C1/S2 is made in Germany, not China. I have one. And it's actually a fantastic budget vac.

EurekaPrince Brian

 

[sebo_fan]

Vacerator - the models in the UK and Europe are different - since the U.S and Canada don't have to bother with EU laws about lowering motor output. Same with SEBO and lots of other brands - the models in the U.S are slightly different.

HI-LO: I can't stand Miele's new model names, C1, C2, C3 etc as they all stock old and newer bodies with varying outputs. It is most confusing.

Okay.. The S5 body vacuums AS FAR AS I KNOW lack the one touch comfort cord rewind. So the S8 bodied Miele's are better in this respect as they have the one touch cord rewind.

I note that Miele's latest S8 models all seem to feature 7.5 metre cord lengths which frankly I can just put up with. I do however note that House of Fraser appear to be selling MY S8340 Ecoline which has a 1200 watt motor, came originally with 3 floor heads and has a Super Air Clean filter as standard and 9 metre power cord length. Based on the fact you can update with filter upgrades, I'd say the S8340 is still worth it despite being something like 3 to 4 years old.

My review can be found on Ciao but the House of Fraser link lists the model at £160





http://www.houseoffraser.co.uk/Miele+S8340+Eco-Line+Solution+Vacuum/180415862,default,pd.html

 

[hi-loswitch98]

sebo_fan: Oooh thanks for the link there, that cleaners quite good value!

 

[turbo500]

I'd go for the 1600w C2 Powerline Complete. The Eco C3's are great but the C2 was never designed to take a lower power motor.

 

[turbo500]

Bit of a bargain here


http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B00...s=miele+c2&dpPl=1&dpID=31EuFosVmfL&ref=plSrch

 

[turbo500]

Oooh an even better bargain

http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/home-a...linder-vacuum-cleaner-black-10137121-pdt.html

 

[hi-loswitch98]

Thanks Chris, the first one you linked is what I am most like going to purchase. Seems a really good bargain,

 

[vacerator]

Brian, Sebo,

Brian, a Miele authorized large chain dealer told me the Delphi, Titan, and one more C1 are made in China. Red, blue, and white.
Sebo, the tan C3 is the Alize here, and retails at a fixed price everywhere for $749. The lowest price C3 is the Calima in yellow at $649. there was a limited edition green one for $499 for a short time.
I know about the new EU wattage limit on vacuums.

 

[eurekaprince]

Mike - that dealer misled you. The Miele C1s are all made in Germany. There may have been a time when the S2 first came out that the company attempted to build them in China but that was shortlived. Just look at the ratings plate on any C1 in any store and you will see it is made in Germany.

 

[vacerator]

Brian, ok, I believe you now!

That dealer is using that ploy to bait and switch buyers up to a more expensive Miele then.
I will never go there again.

 

[sebo_fan]

Vacerator - the prices are also VERY different. SEBO and Miele are priced expensively in the U.S - the U.K have cheaper prices in general, but even those are considered pricey for premium.

Your examples of $749 equates to £526 which could easily buy you the latest Vorwerk upright.
$649 equates to £455-97 which with an added £50 could buy you Miele's Robot RX1...

 

[turbo500]

£526 which could easily buy you the latest Vorwerk upright

Vorwerk's retail higher than that - they're in Kirby territory.

 

[vacerator]

Sebo,

No Vorwerks sold stateside. I'd never pay that much for any Roomba type sweeper.
I doubt that Miele even makes it.
A Roomba here cost's about $150 now. $500 buys me a nice new Marklin ho steam locomotive with sound effects for a whistle, bell, coal stoker, brake squeal, chuffing, and ditch lights. Not a Big Boy, but a br 10, 50, or other German DB prototype.

 

[sebo_fan]

Vorwerk's retail is in Kirby territory - not quite...

Chris I was quoted £525 for a VK150 last week when I spoke to a sales person from Vorwerk UK. It was VERY tempting but I think I'm happy with my VK131 for the time being.

There's one on EBay UK going for £499 and its new (apparently). If you don't ask you don't get.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/2622...46&adtype=pla&crdt=0&ff3=1&ff11=ICEP3.0.0-L&f

 

[sebo_fan]

Also Vacerator - Miele vacs in the U.S seem to have specialist models with different floor heads. It is like that in the U.K to a degree but spares and accessories are far more widespread. I've been buying Miele vacs since the 1990s and if there's one thing I have learnt in the experience process, then its being able to buy a basic Miele vac and buying spares or accessories for it to bring it up to similar spec of higher priced vacs in the range.

Put simply you dont need to buy a top of the range Miele cylinder vac when a more basic one does just as well. Non-marked up prices on floor heads such as the Cat and Dog Wessel Werk turbo brush for example means owners can fashion a cheap "Cat and Dog" model without spending more than if they actually bought that vacuum.

It was only a few years ago that Miele in the U.S began to get spares on Amazon.com and EBAY.com - from what I can tell from conversations on here, Miele spares and accessories in the U.S were initially hard to find due to sellers hell bent on marking up prices on selected models.