madabouthoovers
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Hoover's new Sebo Rip off
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tommymilan
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Hello Guys... at least Sebos are made in Germany, I don't think that it is a bad thing buying good appliances from other company that make still manufacture good cleaners, of course it's a pity that Hoover doesn't put any energy in developing their own vacuum cleaners with a certain design and a certain quality. Very sad for a Company whose name is synonimous of vacuum cleaner.
Greetings,
Tommy
Greetings,
Tommy
kirbyloverdan
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Improved on Sebos design the Hoover is a much better machine soon to be built right here in the US .
Dan
Improved on Sebos design the Hoover is a much better machine soon to be built right here in the US .
Dan
super-sweeper
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"Right here in the U.S"
I await that acheivement of which waits a long way down the road! (Or Carpet!
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I await that acheivement of which waits a long way down the road! (Or Carpet!
DesertTortoise
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Remember Sebo owes many of it's designs, features and even quite a bit of actual hardware, to Windsor. Also, ever see an upright vacuum from Fakir?
sebo_fan
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Actually no, SEBO entered a contract agreement with Windsor in 1979 to supply models to them.
turbo500
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When Sebo were starting out, they made a lot of their machines on licence or contract to other firms.
Certainly in the UK, the Sebo 350 (and many of the 360's) were never branded "Sebo", but were branded as the cleaning company's name or other names, even though they were all made by Sebo.
Certainly in the UK, the Sebo 350 (and many of the 360's) were never branded "Sebo", but were branded as the cleaning company's name or other names, even though they were all made by Sebo.
turbo500
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ever see an upright vacuum from Fakir?
Yes.
The older, soft bag models were made by Philips, and the current models are made by Nilco. They're nothing to do with Sebo.
Yes.
The older, soft bag models were made by Philips, and the current models are made by Nilco. They're nothing to do with Sebo.
DesertTortoise
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Correct, but like German autos, some design features seem to be common to German manufactures rather than particular to one manufacturer. German customers have different expectations of the products they buy, their durability, ergonomics etc., than many other nations do. German cars all have a certain feel to them born of the necessity of being controllable running at high speeds most other nations do not permit. It appears the German housewife has similar expectations of her vacuum, lol. High performance machines! Just be glad we have that albeit expensive alternative to the mass market Chinese made, um, "stuff" populating most big box stores display floors.
I was not aware that Windsor bought vacuums from Sebo. Have to research their history a bit more.
I was not aware that Windsor bought vacuums from Sebo. Have to research their history a bit more.
sebo_fan
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Actually, the German market as well as quite a few other European countries favour the canister/cylinder vacuum style rather than the upright. SEBO started out as a commercial brand to develop an upright for that market, and though they have a domestic line, they still hold the market in Europe at least, for commercial uprights.
High performance is just another aspect Germans have managed to add out of their precision and detail- their first principle in my mind is reliability and build quality.
However, Bosch of Germany produce vacuums in China. But they are better built than a lot of the "big box bagless" brands IMHO.
High performance is just another aspect Germans have managed to add out of their precision and detail- their first principle in my mind is reliability and build quality.
However, Bosch of Germany produce vacuums in China. But they are better built than a lot of the "big box bagless" brands IMHO.
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German electronics are starting to scare me. They add complexity for the sake of complexity, and that wouldn't necessarily be bad if it always worked. It doesn't. It is like SAP enterprise software. Anyone here ever had the misfortune of having an employer decide to employ SAP? Never let Germans write software. Nein, ist verbotten! Now their "best" cars are plagued by frequent, expensive failures of complex electronics running on glitchy, non-intuitive German software coded in German abbreviations that you have to be a native speaker to understand and remember. Nein, danke (and this is coming from someone with two pre CAN-Bus Audis, three 1980's vintage BMW motorcycles and a pair of Windsor vacuums in the garge). Japanese and American products are much more stable and reliable, even if they are not as technically sexy.
sebo_fan
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The beauty of SEBO is that, in terms of the X uprights (and Windsor equivalents) they were all designed to be able to be fixed easily by the owner rather than have the model sent back to the manufacturer.
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That is true, and one of the reasons I replaced the old Hoover U-boat with a Windsor. Routine repairs and maintenance are easily accomplished and it has a very high quality feel. Our housekeeping staff use and abuses them daily and I see their utility and durability first hand. It's a quality piece.
Still the sensor can be a little too clever sometimes (shuts me down on deep carpet even with the height setting on 4 unless I handle the vacuum just so) and I don't look forward to trying to trouble shoot a problem related to the circuit card or the sensor. I see vacuums now selling a "dirt finder" feature, and not just German vacuums. Really? I'm a Felix Unger in a world of Oscar Madisons. My house is clean but I don't have even a little bit of trouble finding dirt for my vacuum to suck up. Complexity for the sake of complexity. Same thing for the automatic height adjustment feature. Why? You can't turn a dial on the floor attachment? You can't figure out what setting to use? My mom could do this and you can't? Really? Good grief. It's why I hang on to my old Kenmore canister bombers.
Still the sensor can be a little too clever sometimes (shuts me down on deep carpet even with the height setting on 4 unless I handle the vacuum just so) and I don't look forward to trying to trouble shoot a problem related to the circuit card or the sensor. I see vacuums now selling a "dirt finder" feature, and not just German vacuums. Really? I'm a Felix Unger in a world of Oscar Madisons. My house is clean but I don't have even a little bit of trouble finding dirt for my vacuum to suck up. Complexity for the sake of complexity. Same thing for the automatic height adjustment feature. Why? You can't turn a dial on the floor attachment? You can't figure out what setting to use? My mom could do this and you can't? Really? Good grief. It's why I hang on to my old Kenmore canister bombers.
sebo_fan
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Well... IMHO the only successful height adjusters I've ever used and are quite durable are the heel types offered on the Hoover Senior (Convertible) and Hoover Junior side adjusters. The middle ones set on modern hoods don't tend to last long on European uprights. Either the slider types or dials - they often break because owners forget that most can't be switched when the upright is being used and the handle has to be put in the locked position. That to me is a waste of time and not convenient.
Auto height adjustment for some uprights don't have anything at all and by scientific means purely use the science of naturall vacuum suction airflow between the brush, sole plate and carpet pile height.
I am surprised by the Sensor on the SEBO with the manual model though. I know the sensor can be disabled simply by pulling out the chip from the motherboard, but whether that affects the height adjustment dial at the side, Im not that sure.
Dirt finder plates have been fitted for vacuums from the 1970s. Its a fancy thing that only gives those who are OCD cleanliness, peace of mind IMHO.
Auto height adjustment for some uprights don't have anything at all and by scientific means purely use the science of naturall vacuum suction airflow between the brush, sole plate and carpet pile height.
I am surprised by the Sensor on the SEBO with the manual model though. I know the sensor can be disabled simply by pulling out the chip from the motherboard, but whether that affects the height adjustment dial at the side, Im not that sure.
Dirt finder plates have been fitted for vacuums from the 1970s. Its a fancy thing that only gives those who are OCD cleanliness, peace of mind IMHO.
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My BMW 528i is a 1996 and it better not ever die.... I won't buy a new one and I'd have to hunt up one no newer than 1999 to avoid just such complex electronics for the sake of complexity. Mine is bad enough, but at least I can still connect to the damn thing and read and understand the codes and reprogram as necessary. Not possible on new ones... Love my car but I will go elsewhere if I need a new one.
It's the reason I don't use my Aerus Platinum... I like to tinker and there isn't anything to tinker with. I've been awarded several as rewards for sales goals, one to my mom, my brother and his wife, a cousin and my best friend and I have two in the vacuum room, one NIB and the other has not been used other to show to someone and one trip around the room when I unpacked it. I love the vacuum, but everything is controlled by circuit boards and sensors - takes some of the attraction away.
It's the reason I don't use my Aerus Platinum... I like to tinker and there isn't anything to tinker with. I've been awarded several as rewards for sales goals, one to my mom, my brother and his wife, a cousin and my best friend and I have two in the vacuum room, one NIB and the other has not been used other to show to someone and one trip around the room when I unpacked it. I love the vacuum, but everything is controlled by circuit boards and sensors - takes some of the attraction away.
