Hoover's new Sebo Rip off

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If manufacturers didn't copy their competitors once a patent was expired, there would be NO revolving brush on any vacuum other than Hoover. There would be no disposable bag other than Air-Way. There would be no water filtration vacuum except Rexair (Rainbow). All great ideas began by being patented. Once a patent is up, anyone is free to use (and/or improve) a patented idea.

Apparently Hoover liked Sebo's durability under commercial use. They made their VERSION of the Sebo, with some of Hoover's patented features (like Windtunnel technology) to go along with it.
 
I thought patents only had a certain life span? Unless you patent slight changes to the original design doesn't that extend the patent period? Suppose there is only so many changes you can make to the original design!
 
The thing that gets me is that Hoover have far more designers and in house workmen to be able to design something around a design like the SEBO if their intention was to build something close to the design. What I wasn't expecting was something that SEBO could well sell themselves - it looks like a SEBO from a distance.

But then I am the owner of a Vax VCU02 - the model equivalent to Hoover's Signature bagged upright and itself a copy of an Oreck XL. Now of course they're all under the same roof of TTI, it doesn't make much of a difference - but TTI do not own SEBO...yet.
 
yet......................... wait.

I know that HOOVER made a "convertible" not too long ago. It really was a Savvy. they HAD to keep "convertible" in circulationdue to a patent. THIS information came DIRECTLY from the mouths of HOOVER in Ohio.
The TTI designers in Ohio should listen to others, ourselves included. They need to stop mimmicking Dyson and come up with a fresh, new specimen. Everyone right now is "reinventing the wheel".... OR, the "BALL"
 
Well put it this way, I had a vax mach 8 or 7 uprights, the black one which claimed to have "windtunnel technology" and I literally could not see what it was, and certainly did not pick up anything like my felix. The brushroll are not firm enough and the bristles are too short, not to mention the build quality.
 
I thought patents only had a certain life span?

That's true. That's why there are so many "no loss of suction" bagless cleaners on the market, because the patent on the original Dyson Dual Cyclone has expired.
 
John,

I couldn't agree more...stop fixing something that is not broken.

Look at Kirby and Aerus, other than some minor body changes they still have some of best vacuums on the market...and still use bags...what a novel IDEA! Or how about the Sainitaire Upright...still will out clean almost anything on the market..old design...great product. Not to mention only a 6 or 7 amp motor...same with Kirby!

In a few years, they will change the design back to bagged and call it a new idea...

Look at Hoover in the early years...it made no difference which convertible you purchased, they would all clean the same because they used the same motor and brush roll...the only changes were bumper, cord length, handle grip and headlight...yet they had the consumer fooled that one machine cleaned better than the other....mind over matter...it cost more...so it must be better!

Same way I feel about many of the new machines, especially bagless...just because it has a clear bin and you can see the dirt, doesn't mean it is cleaning any better. Remember Lewyt and the bags with the dirt window so you could see how full the bag was without removing it.
 
I guess

Someone missed HOOVERS new idea not mimicked by anyone ???

I will remind you with a picture of my gift from my dear friend John Gregory of Sweeper Central located in Dunmore Pa .

Hoover has revolutionized the vacuum market once again !!!

Even though we hate bag less the "CONSUMER" demands them so that's what is HOT now hopefully they get over it but I don't think it will be anytime soon.


Dan [this post was last edited: 5/29/2014-15:02]

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Now, come on Dan...

Didn't we comment the last time on the Eureka Freedom / Electrolux Contour cordless upright in the mid 1990s? You yourself said it had a short charge - so this "new" Hoover isn't exactly new when a bagged upright that was cordless appeared some 20 years before...?

Dont get me wrong, I think this new cordless Hoover is a good idea, but it can't be full size based on its 1.5 capacity and the mere fact that it is an upright with a moving brush bar means that it may be a first for a modern upright, but I dont think it is that original.

And then there's the Hoover Windtunnel Linx / Vax U91-LF-B LiFE cordless upright stick that has one of the larger capacties of 1.4 litres. AEG's Ergorapido models have far smaller dust cups.
 
Hello Guys... at least Sebos are made in Germany, I don't think that it is a bad thing buying good appliances from other company that make still manufacture good cleaners, of course it's a pity that Hoover doesn't put any energy in developing their own vacuum cleaners with a certain design and a certain quality. Very sad for a Company whose name is synonimous of vacuum cleaner.
Greetings,
Tommy
 
"Right here in the U.S"

I await that acheivement of which waits a long way down the road! (Or Carpet!
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Remember Sebo owes many of it's designs, features and even quite a bit of actual hardware, to Windsor. Also, ever see an upright vacuum from Fakir?
 
When Sebo were starting out, they made a lot of their machines on licence or contract to other firms.

Certainly in the UK, the Sebo 350 (and many of the 360's) were never branded "Sebo", but were branded as the cleaning company's name or other names, even though they were all made by Sebo.
 
ever see an upright vacuum from Fakir?

Yes.

The older, soft bag models were made by Philips, and the current models are made by Nilco. They're nothing to do with Sebo.

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Correct, but like German autos, some design features seem to be common to German manufactures rather than particular to one manufacturer. German customers have different expectations of the products they buy, their durability, ergonomics etc., than many other nations do. German cars all have a certain feel to them born of the necessity of being controllable running at high speeds most other nations do not permit. It appears the German housewife has similar expectations of her vacuum, lol. High performance machines! Just be glad we have that albeit expensive alternative to the mass market Chinese made, um, "stuff" populating most big box stores display floors.

I was not aware that Windsor bought vacuums from Sebo. Have to research their history a bit more.
 
Actually, the German market as well as quite a few other European countries favour the canister/cylinder vacuum style rather than the upright. SEBO started out as a commercial brand to develop an upright for that market, and though they have a domestic line, they still hold the market in Europe at least, for commercial uprights.

High performance is just another aspect Germans have managed to add out of their precision and detail- their first principle in my mind is reliability and build quality.

However, Bosch of Germany produce vacuums in China. But they are better built than a lot of the "big box bagless" brands IMHO.
 

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