Hoover's new Sebo Rip off

[hooverkid]

Everything from the finger tip on/off switch to the height control knob to the bag screams Sebo. To bad to see such a good company use another brands cleaner as there own,

http://hoover.com/products/details/eh50100/hoover-insight-bagged-upright/

 

[kirbyloverdan]

Sebos patent

Ran out .

I own this machine it OUT cleans Sebo it has Windtunnel technology .

It was a gift from my great friend John Gregory of Sweeper central in Dunmore Pa.

Many machines are copied this was an improvement over a Sebo .

This has been out for a few years and is an awesome vacuum .


Dan

 

[madabouthoovers]

Well, how did TTI get away with that? That is the most blatant copy of a SEBO G1 I have seen!

 

[vintagerepairer]

As has been said

The copyrights had expired. It happens all the time and not just with vacuum cleaners.

 

[sebo_fan]

Not this old chestnut again...

See previous threads http://www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?21673

and

http://www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?16021

With the new SEBO 300 Evolution waiting in the wings, the Insight's days be limited : )

 

[sebo_fan]

Sorry that should read MAY BE limited.

 

[sebo_fan]

If the implication of Windtunnel tech means two suction channels, does that mean the dust bags fill up more quickly?

 

[kirbyloverdan]

Thank you

Benny I am glad you read what I wrote

Dan

 

[dysonman1]

If manufacturers didn't copy their competitors once a patent was expired, there would be NO revolving brush on any vacuum other than Hoover. There would be no disposable bag other than Air-Way. There would be no water filtration vacuum except Rexair (Rainbow). All great ideas began by being patented. Once a patent is up, anyone is free to use (and/or improve) a patented idea.

Apparently Hoover liked Sebo's durability under commercial use. They made their VERSION of the Sebo, with some of Hoover's patented features (like Windtunnel technology) to go along with it.

 

[vintagerepairer]

I wonder why patents are not renewed though?

 

[madaboutsebo]

I thought patents only had a certain life span? Unless you patent slight changes to the original design doesn't that extend the patent period? Suppose there is only so many changes you can make to the original design!

 

[sebo_fan]

The thing that gets me is that Hoover have far more designers and in house workmen to be able to design something around a design like the SEBO if their intention was to build something close to the design. What I wasn't expecting was something that SEBO could well sell themselves - it looks like a SEBO from a distance.

But then I am the owner of a Vax VCU02 - the model equivalent to Hoover's Signature bagged upright and itself a copy of an Oreck XL. Now of course they're all under the same roof of TTI, it doesn't make much of a difference - but TTI do not own SEBO...yet.

 

[gottahaveahoove]

yet......................... wait.

I know that HOOVER made a "convertible" not too long ago. It really was a Savvy. they HAD to keep "convertible" in circulationdue to a patent. THIS information came DIRECTLY from the mouths of HOOVER in Ohio.
The TTI designers in Ohio should listen to others, ourselves included. They need to stop mimmicking Dyson and come up with a fresh, new specimen. Everyone right now is "reinventing the wheel".... OR, the "BALL"

 

[oliveoiltinfoil]

Well put it this way, I had a vax mach 8 or 7 uprights, the black one which claimed to have "windtunnel technology" and I literally could not see what it was, and certainly did not pick up anything like my felix. The brushroll are not firm enough and the bristles are too short, not to mention the build quality.

 

[turbo500]

I thought patents only had a certain life span?

That's true. That's why there are so many "no loss of suction" bagless cleaners on the market, because the patent on the original Dyson Dual Cyclone has expired.

 

[vinvac]

John,

I couldn't agree more...stop fixing something that is not broken.

Look at Kirby and Aerus, other than some minor body changes they still have some of best vacuums on the market...and still use bags...what a novel IDEA! Or how about the Sainitaire Upright...still will out clean almost anything on the market..old design...great product. Not to mention only a 6 or 7 amp motor...same with Kirby!

In a few years, they will change the design back to bagged and call it a new idea...

Look at Hoover in the early years...it made no difference which convertible you purchased, they would all clean the same because they used the same motor and brush roll...the only changes were bumper, cord length, handle grip and headlight...yet they had the consumer fooled that one machine cleaned better than the other....mind over matter...it cost more...so it must be better!

Same way I feel about many of the new machines, especially bagless...just because it has a clear bin and you can see the dirt, doesn't mean it is cleaning any better. Remember Lewyt and the bags with the dirt window so you could see how full the bag was without removing it.

 

[kirbyloverdan]

I guess

Someone missed HOOVERS new idea not mimicked by anyone ???

I will remind you with a picture of my gift from my dear friend John Gregory of Sweeper Central located in Dunmore Pa .

Hoover has revolutionized the vacuum market once again !!!

Even though we hate bag less the "CONSUMER" demands them so that's what is HOT now hopefully they get over it but I don't think it will be anytime soon.


Dan [this post was last edited: 5/29/2014-15:02]

 

[sebo_fan]

Now, come on Dan...

Didn't we comment the last time on the Eureka Freedom / Electrolux Contour cordless upright in the mid 1990s? You yourself said it had a short charge - so this "new" Hoover isn't exactly new when a bagged upright that was cordless appeared some 20 years before...?

Dont get me wrong, I think this new cordless Hoover is a good idea, but it can't be full size based on its 1.5 capacity and the mere fact that it is an upright with a moving brush bar means that it may be a first for a modern upright, but I dont think it is that original.

And then there's the Hoover Windtunnel Linx / Vax U91-LF-B LiFE cordless upright stick that has one of the larger capacties of 1.4 litres. AEG's Ergorapido models have far smaller dust cups.

 

[ultralux88]

Why parents aren't renewable...

The purpose of a patent is to allow the manufacturer to have an exclusive on the idea for a period of time to recover the costs of research, development, and such. It's their time to basically receive the reward for coming up with it. Once it's up it's it's for everyone.