HOOVER Turbo Power...

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Quadraflex agitator

Here is the quadraflex agitator.

Notice the white plastic beater bar (just visible) situated immediately behind the grey brush bristles.

 

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UK Hoover Turbomaster activator

Look very carefully.

This UK Hoover Turbomaster activator has a ridge that the bristles sit upon, just like Vax and USA Hoover models. (There are obviously, the activator nodules too, but ignore them).

It should be noted that this brush ridge was not present on the Turbopower series, nor any domestic machine thereafter.



http://www.tdspares.co.uk/proddetail.asp?prod=brl1002

 

[turbo500]

Interesting, thanks for the info.

The Mach 7's at work certainly didn't have them and my friends Mach 2 doesn't have them either. It has a brushroll very similar to the Mach Air, but bigger.

 

[turbomaster1984]

Interesting

From what I understand about the Hoover Activator was that it was introduced as the original Hoover agitator with metal bars flattened carpets instead of grooming them.

The nodules beat the carpet but cant flatten the carpet due to their angular and scattered positions which helped improve the look of the carpet after a vac.
More noticeable on cut pile carpets I have found where Juniors and Seniors really do nothing for the appearance of the pile.

Now as for the 410w original turbos compared to the 800w and 1000w turbo2's I have read another theory as to why the 2's and 3's dont seem to clean or groom as well as the originals which is to do with the motor running at a much higher speed and therefore counteracting the grooming which needs to be done at a lower speed to get results.

Need to check the service manuals to find out the difference between the TP1's agitator RPM vs the TP2 agi rpm.

Now heres a bit of help towards that theory too. We have a 700w Panasonic upright with the same brush roll as my Grandads 2000w Panasonic upright and on thick or thin carpets the 700w cleaner grooms and cleans better, Leaves the pile with excellent track marks where the 2000w one dosnt. Any truth in this theory I wonder?

 

[turbo500]

Very interesting Rob.

Now I think about it, wasn't one of the selling features of the Panasonic Icon that it had a separate motor driven brushroll which was slower than the motor? So the suction power was still strong, but the brushroll groomed effectively?

 

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That would explain several machines:

The Hoover Purepowers (with the two belts and reducer pulley between them). Obviously, 2000 Watt motors were too quick for carpet grooming.

The Dysons with the clutches and separate brush motors.

The latest Panasonic upright bagless machine which seems to groom cut pile very well (separate agitator motor and short bristles). No beater bars or ridges on the brushroll, but certainly vibrates the carpet effectively. Mum got it for Christmas.

The Panasonic Icon had a 60% greater diameter brushroll, rotated slower, and the bristles were as hard as scrubbing brush bristles.

 

[turbo500]

Rolls...

The Dyson brushroll wouldn't groom a babies head! It has the most sparse bristles I've ever seen on a brushroll. The helix clutch brushrolls just seem to shred the fibres on thick carpets. Dyson really need to redesign the brushroll, they'd get much better performance out of their machines

 

[rolls_rapide]

You are quite right about the grooming of the Dyson ribbon brushroll. I wondered if the clutch was an attempt to reduce the agitation speed and thus improve cleaning efficiency, a sort of reduction gearing. Probably more to do with lengthening the belt lifespan and hard floor care.

How would the Dyson machine perform if the clumps of bristles were adjacent to each other, rather than sparsely populated? Probably much more efficiently.

 

[kirbyclassiciii]

Here in the USA, there were a range of black and gold Hoover Elite/Legacy/Wind Tunnel uprights in the mid/late 1990s called "TurboPOWER" (the TP 1000 is based on the Elite whereas the TP 5000 or so is based on the Wind Tunnel).

~Ben

 

[vintagerepairer]

Hello again. Great threads as always! Could I just add that both the Turbopower 2 and the Turbopower 1000 went on sale in 1992? Why they went on sale at the same time will be something only Hoover knew. The Turbopower 3 replaced the Turbopower 1000 and was more popular as it offered more for the money as it had a useful stair cleaning hose. The Turbopower 3 was featured in a 1994 booklet but I didn't see any in stores until 1995. I sold mainly reconditioned cleaners so I never had these in store when they were being manufactured.

 

[sebo_fan]

Yes but at the end of the day Hoover haven't brought out a bagged version, hence the new bagless cyclonic model is called "Turbo Power" with a deliberate spacing in between the words.

As for brush roll - I have a bagless cyclonic Vax Mach Air - the brush roll is a lot kinder to carpets and I'm glad it doesn't have beater bar strips set into it.

Do any of the American members have the equivalent similar Hoover Windtunnel Air? The hose arrangement is slightly different and from what I understand, that vacuum was only available at Walmart.

 

[madabouthoovers]

Well, to reactivate this thread again, I now have both the Turbo Power cyclonics, the upright and the cylinder, and have to post about what a total design flaw the cylinder model is.
After just 2 weeks of use of the TTU1510 red model the cyclones have all blocked up from the base up with pet hair and fluff. It would seem that the cylinder model cyclone chamber is different from the upright model, with the cyclones discharging into a collector chamber and then down into the central cylinder. The cyclones seem to narrow at the bases just like the problem with the early DC07 models till that were de-rooted, and this is causing fluff particles to get jammed in the cyclone exits. The end result has been that the filter just gets clogged very fast as the cyclones can not discharge their dust into the lower collector chamber.
Its no wonder these were reduced to £55 in Tesco's.
The upright is OK to use, if a little heavy to push round, but the cylinder is a load of rubbish - so avoid getting one! Hoover have made the same error that Dyson made with his first Multi-cyclonic. Don't these companies ever learn from other's mistakes?

 

[sebo_fan]

That's a pity...

Hasn't Hoover released the cylinder model in other guises/model names though since the launch?

On a separate note I noticed that the Hoover Globe and the Turbo Power uprights have both been slashed in price - the Globe is something like £129 whereas the Turbo Power is £124 - effectively £5 added for the swivel then where the Globe is concerned.

Still waiting for a new bagged upright from Hoover UK/Europe.

 

[kirbyg6]

What does it look like is it the bagless one

 

[madabouthoovers]

Well. the UTP1610 upright blue Turbopower has been 125 for ages now, they just don't seem very popular - and many are criticised for being hard to push. The suction is very high on these, and if the floorhead is too low, the vacuum created makes it hard to move forward - there is no leakage channels incorporated in the soleplate. Its a pity as the upright is well made and sturdy, with a good hose length and cable length too. Hoover just didn't quite get it right with this one either.
I looked at the Globe myself in Curry's and was very tempted at the low prices they were going for, but couldn't help feeling it was tacky quality, so left it. It hasn't had great reviews in Argos either. Hoover is not the same as it used to be, as, like Vax, it makes all its vacs for the UK market in China.

I have had issues with new Vax's as well recently, all for poor quality control issues - so it seems that China made vacs are suffering now from poor quality issues.

Hoover really must change its image now as it is associated with poorly made in the Far East, bad designed products since the "The One" fiasco.

 

[madabouthoovers]

In answer to sebo_fan's question, I think the Hoover Curve is the latest multi-cyclonic cylinder and these were also in Tesco a month or so back going for £44! Should have got one to try it out, but they are very small, and why were they reduced so much? Argos has them now for £80, on reduced price promo. One has to ask why?
YOu never see Miele vacs reduced that much, only it seems, Hoover and Vax products. I recently picked up a couple of Mach Air Reach models for £99 each, but they had problems with hoses come unglued from their housings and sticking hinges. Seems Vax are getting a reputation for bad quality now as well.

 

[sebo_fan]

The thing is, it doesn't matter about questioning why they are so cheap - it has little to do with the reliability, but rather the amount of stockists that Hoover and other brands are being bought by.

You do get price reductions of several Miele and SEBO products, but it is seasonal and not as much. The Miele S2's general pricing from £130 has dropped to around £99 in recent months - but this has much to do with the fact that Miele are still selling their old S700 heavier bodies for expensive prices using the smaller FJM dust bag compared to the S2's bigger GN bag.

The multicyclonic design in your Turbo Power cylinder vacuum is currently also being sold as a Jazz cylinder vacuum whilst the Rush uses the same body but a different single cyclonic filter.

 

[madabouthoovers]

The Rush was the predecessor to the Turbopower cylinder, and the body is the same, just that Hoover tried to modify the canister by fitting a multi-cyclone assembly to prevent filter clogging issues that the Rush suffered with. They were cost cutting using the Rush platform to make the Turbopower model. The Jazz as you say is the same model again with a different colour scheme.
I am going to take a junior hacksaw to the cyclones on the Turbopower in due course to "de-root" them like Dyson did to the DC07 - effectively making the cyclones shorter but wider at the bases, hopefully to prevent further clogging.
It would be interesting to know if the Jazz cylinder has this modification.
The Vax Mach Air 3 swivel head uses the same design as the Turbopower with the cyclones not emptying directly into the central cone, so I am wondering if that may be storing up problems with blockages in the future. I will keep an eye on mine.

 

[ultraperformer]

Curve

Hi Steve,

I picked up the Curve from Tesco for £40 several weeks back, for the money its a very good little machine but at the price on the Hoover website of £159.99 is an outrage it's not worth more that £40 as the hose and handle are very cheap feeling, the cord very short and just the overall build quality is cheap feeling. Here's a pick I took of my Hoover Cylinders. The second stage cyclones btw feed straight into the centre of the bin not noticed any problems with clogging.

Dan

 

[madabouthoovers]

Dan, so you got one then? I was really tempted but then a few weeks later when I went back to see if any were left, I saw the Turbopwer red on for £55, so I had one of these instead.
The second stage cyclones feed into a ring shaped collector chamber that has three exits into the central dust tube. From what I can see when I disassembled the assembly, the cyclones come too far down into this chamber leaving a very small gap for the dust to go through. This is where the blockages are forming.
If you can look up the central tube from the bottom and see the exites from the cyclones, then they are directly feeding into the central tube and no blockages should occur - unless the exits are very small in diameter.
It seems that the smaller the cyclones become, or when they mess about with how they discharge into the collector tube, problmes are created with blocking up.
Most users wouldn't understand why though, and would just get used to having to wash the pre motor filter more often as the cyclones aren't working any more. Eventually they will fill up so much that a total bloackage will occur and cleaning out the cyclones will be the only solution - which will require disassembly of the cyclone chambers.