Yeah I'll The old Dyson were pretty brittle. Being owner of the new Dysons the plastic is fantastic Flexes a bit so it doesn't crack or Break under pressure. And some people on here just bought a Dyson DC 41 MKII all say how great the plastic is. And he's DC 24 quite an old model They had had problems Forget this is like a 5 6 7 year-old models you have changed a lot since then how the plastic is a lot better and they've made a little bit more flexible so it doesn't break.
Has anyone sued Dyson for false advertising?
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blakaeg
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Vinyage,
Yes that's true. I'd rather not have to keep getting parts out all the time. But I suppose its good knowing that the backup is there. Never experienced such good service like that before. They even replaced the filters in my machine when it went in for repair. Got a DC35 out of them too
dysonb0y,
You are a little like a broken record and its getting a bit annoying reading all over the forum. I think we get how much you like the DC41 MK2 model. We don't need you to keep going on all the time about Dyson plastics being good cos they bend etc. Actually, I was talking about Dyson sending parts for ALL my machines and that includes the cordless that they still make and the battery issues I've encountered with it.
Thank you.
Yes that's true. I'd rather not have to keep getting parts out all the time. But I suppose its good knowing that the backup is there. Never experienced such good service like that before. They even replaced the filters in my machine when it went in for repair. Got a DC35 out of them too
dysonb0y,
You are a little like a broken record and its getting a bit annoying reading all over the forum. I think we get how much you like the DC41 MK2 model. We don't need you to keep going on all the time about Dyson plastics being good cos they bend etc. Actually, I was talking about Dyson sending parts for ALL my machines and that includes the cordless that they still make and the battery issues I've encountered with it.
Thank you.
suckolux
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maybe I am lucky or very careful? I have 3 Dyson's and nothing has broken, one is 6 years old
daknx1994
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dysonb0y
The plastics on the new Dyson's are not all that better. I work in a repair shop and the amount of newer Dyson's is ridiculous. The biggest thing to break is the spine that goes from the handle down to the ball. Also, I have sold more Simplicity's over Dyson's, because even the new DC65 does not agitate anywhere near as well as the Simplicity's, even their lower end models. If I can get the time on Thursday as I am off tomorrow, I will make a video showing you that the newest Dyson still does not have the best agitation.
The plastics on the new Dyson's are not all that better. I work in a repair shop and the amount of newer Dyson's is ridiculous. The biggest thing to break is the spine that goes from the handle down to the ball. Also, I have sold more Simplicity's over Dyson's, because even the new DC65 does not agitate anywhere near as well as the Simplicity's, even their lower end models. If I can get the time on Thursday as I am off tomorrow, I will make a video showing you that the newest Dyson still does not have the best agitation.
Well I know someone in America who works in a vacuum cleaner shop and he said that he do get a few but not many Dyson dc65 repairs but most do to user error but not a silly And most are quite simple.amount.he said the most machine they get in for repair is simplicity and Riccar.
Suckolux, most of us here will get much better service out of a given vacuum regardless of quality just because most of us have some empathy for equipment and are diligent enough to change filters, not blow bags out and generally not abuse things. We could probably make the meanest Bissel last twenty years (I couldn't think of worse punishment!). I saw a high end late model canister vacuum in a thrift shop the week before last and the swivel neck of the floor brush was shattered. How does somebody do that? I have forty five year old floor brushes that have never been damaged. It's all the user.
Dyson not disposable cleaners--look again!Look in the dumpsters at the vac shop here and at the transfer station dumps where people dump their trash here.Seems like Dysons are now becoming the most expensive dumpster vacuums.It really doesn't have to be this way-if their owners would clean or change the filters and empty their dust cups after EACH use-then they would last longer.Couple weeks ago among the broken and dirty Dysons thrown into the dumpster at the trash station--I found a really beautiful,shiny Hoover Celeberty vacuum with its hose,wands,powernozzle.It just needed a cleaning up.The Dysons its was among would need more than "cleaning up"they were broken or missing parts.
oreck_xl
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And Studebaker started producing Land Cruisers in 1935, before Toyota even started making cars. Point being Studebaker had the Land Cruiser first. Just as Toyota was late to the game producing pickup trucks. The U.S. auto industry was decades ahead.
sebo_fan
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Well the Toyota firm must have done something wrong then to consider merging with GM in 1984 when they opened their U.S car plant! Honda I think were first, but then followed Nissan.
Surely then the U.S industry didn't require Japanese brands if the auto industry was "decades" ahead...
Surely then the U.S industry didn't require Japanese brands if the auto industry was "decades" ahead...
man114
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While this is drifting from my original point, Dyson quality is, what I'd consider, upper end discount store quality. I won't even say department store because Sears has some better made canister models.
I have a DC07, DC33, DC16 and DC35. The DC07 is better built than the DC33 without a doubt. The DC33 seems unusually frail at the base. It creaks, frankly the motor doesn't sound too hot, now bear in mind I maintain these and own many vacs and alternate them so it isn't like they had extensive use.
I use the DC33 to do intermittent quick cleaning of my breezeway, the DC07 to quick clean upstairs, the DC16 to do the kitchen. I use a Fantom Thunder on my living room and computer room. Other than that I usually use a Rainbow E Series.
My breezeway is mostly bare floors with a couple of low pile commercial carpet squares I got when Blockbuster was closing. The Dyson is fine for this type of work. The DC07 cleans the surface of the carpet upstairs but deep clean it doesn't. Their brush roller is simply not aggressive enough. If I wait a week and run the Rainbow it is an absolute mess.
As far as industry standard tests, I don't care what the standard is, I could easily demonstrate that the claims are nonsense. Especially removing more dirt claims they are making now. That one can easily be disproven and many YouTube videos already show it against higher end machines.
As far as the cyclonic technology, Dyson designed it, but the Fantom Thunder (regardless of version), in my estimation is the most durable and best designed implementation of it.
I have a DC07, DC33, DC16 and DC35. The DC07 is better built than the DC33 without a doubt. The DC33 seems unusually frail at the base. It creaks, frankly the motor doesn't sound too hot, now bear in mind I maintain these and own many vacs and alternate them so it isn't like they had extensive use.
I use the DC33 to do intermittent quick cleaning of my breezeway, the DC07 to quick clean upstairs, the DC16 to do the kitchen. I use a Fantom Thunder on my living room and computer room. Other than that I usually use a Rainbow E Series.
My breezeway is mostly bare floors with a couple of low pile commercial carpet squares I got when Blockbuster was closing. The Dyson is fine for this type of work. The DC07 cleans the surface of the carpet upstairs but deep clean it doesn't. Their brush roller is simply not aggressive enough. If I wait a week and run the Rainbow it is an absolute mess.
As far as industry standard tests, I don't care what the standard is, I could easily demonstrate that the claims are nonsense. Especially removing more dirt claims they are making now. That one can easily be disproven and many YouTube videos already show it against higher end machines.
As far as the cyclonic technology, Dyson designed it, but the Fantom Thunder (regardless of version), in my estimation is the most durable and best designed implementation of it.
You Are basting this off all machines are been discontinued and personally i do not like. And most machines you can get today are all mostly made up of the same plastic just made a little bit differently. Dyson DC 65 was tested against 98 different vacuum cleaners and tested against machines you can get easily get from the store or online or popular manufacturers. Those YouTube videos are made against machines are discontinued they are not the properly test I know those machines that testing against the Dyson will probably out clean it until both machines get into popular stores and online they Will be on the last thing on Dysons mind to test. And fantom Cycling technology is just old Dyson Technology The same technology was in the Dyson DC03 and I think DC04 and dc05 the greatest cyclone Technology you can get now is in the The nearest ones you can get today The best
you can Get In the DC 54 that has no filter.
you can Get In the DC 54 that has no filter.
man114
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The Fantom used a better motor and filtered better in cyclones due to it. I know Fantom used and licensed Dyson technology but I don't think any vac using it better implemented it than the Thunder. Bear in mind original Fantom models didn't use a filter, neither did the Rainbows. If you want a modern machine I know a current Dyson can't outclean a current Rainbow. It is more on brushroller and powerhead design. You can argue about costs but if the Rainbow costs three times as much it is money well spent, it probably will last three times as long. I'd hit a Fantom Thunder with a baseball bat and it probably would survive, a Dyson I'm nowhere near as comfortable about.
Now I've got nothing that much against Dyson, my main gripes are their advertising claims, cost and build quality. Industry standard tests are one thing, real world is another. It won't outclean a Kirby, Rainbow or many higher end vacs. They cost a lot for what you get. They aren't built terribly well. I just know if I was paying retail price, which I never do (a personal philosophy of mine), I wouldn't own a Dyson.
Now I've got nothing that much against Dyson, my main gripes are their advertising claims, cost and build quality. Industry standard tests are one thing, real world is another. It won't outclean a Kirby, Rainbow or many higher end vacs. They cost a lot for what you get. They aren't built terribly well. I just know if I was paying retail price, which I never do (a personal philosophy of mine), I wouldn't own a Dyson.
Well hitting a fantom with a baseball bat Dyson has done it Dysons done it that far worse than just a baseball I wouldn't do it to the old ones are the old ones would probably smashed to bits. Industry standard is like A home test The dust in the carpet and I see which one picks up more that's all it is they do test on multiple carpets and hard floor is not that different from A home test is just Dust in a carpet see what machines get much the dust out. Also is a video of the DC 65 against the newest Rainbow Vacuum is a bit of a carpet with the Dyson guys over with the rainbow Rainbow barely picks anything up after the Dyson.
Re No loss of suction..
Compact and Filter Queen claimed this over 60 years ago...while better than most..they too will lose suction if fine powdery dust is picked up, im no Rainbow fan, but they really are the only machine thatnever loses airflow or suction.
Compact and Filter Queen claimed this over 60 years ago...while better than most..they too will lose suction if fine powdery dust is picked up, im no Rainbow fan, but they really are the only machine thatnever loses airflow or suction.
man114
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It still picks up and thus in the vac after vac tests the second vac to go always wins because it picks up what is left behind.
All in home vac demos play on this. The last vac always still picks something left behind. You could empty the Dyson bin, wash it and still get something.
The Rainbow will likely outlast the Dyson if it is your primary vac, which has to be factored in, many unserviced D3 and D4 Rainbows, and various models of Kirbys that were made before Dyson are still running.
All in home vac demos play on this. The last vac always still picks something left behind. You could empty the Dyson bin, wash it and still get something.
The Rainbow will likely outlast the Dyson if it is your primary vac, which has to be factored in, many unserviced D3 and D4 Rainbows, and various models of Kirbys that were made before Dyson are still running.
I know those machines and all out last Dyson Dyson is probably more likely to outlast vacuum you get from Amazon and Walmart places like that like that. dyson plastic vacuum you don't get the best lifespan out of them but you do get quite a good but not the best what are you going on about is Dysons the best machine you can get department store online any Bacchus machine and some bag machines.
sebo_fan
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I can see why some members are getting tired...
Oh do listen to yourself, Joshua. You're only 14. You were only 2 years old when the U.S got the Dyson DC07. Respect what the other members are saying to you about THEIR OWNERSHIP EXPERIENCES.
Oh do listen to yourself, Joshua. You're only 14. You were only 2 years old when the U.S got the Dyson DC07. Respect what the other members are saying to you about THEIR OWNERSHIP EXPERIENCES.
daknx1994
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You are constantly putting you interjections into threads about Dyson and like sebo_fan said, it is extremely annoying. Face up to it that there are members on here who have different feelings to Dyson other than your own. People want to knock down other members for there frequent posts about how Kirby is better in every thread and here you are doing it with Dyson. Face it, not everyone likes them.
Know everyone does not like Dyson I know that.someone will say to me about my post about Dyson no one say it to people won't stop coming on about Kirby and how is better than every else. I Only talk about Dyson when actually being talked about like this thread And A conversation is going on about Dyson.least I'm not going to every single theme and have to say something about Kirby and bash about Dyson no One will say anything about that.
sebo_fan
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I was offended about the way you've carried on from reply 14 - stating tests as IF we can't all read.
As if many of the members how have never read it all before. Well before you, yourself has quoted it on here.
Its not news you're giving out here, but constant Dyson propaganda that doesn't add balance to weigh up your opinion or responses.
Speak from your own experience, rather than trying to use data.
Furthermore we don't have Walmart in the UK, so you can't judge what they sell just from what you read from other member's responses on here. That doesn't give weight to how you feel about Dyson, let alone brandish every model that either Amazon or Walmart sells as ""plastic vacuums" that don't last. You're only 14. You've got a lot more years to experience whether a Dyson can last for 10 years or more. Or any other brand.
As if many of the members how have never read it all before. Well before you, yourself has quoted it on here.
Its not news you're giving out here, but constant Dyson propaganda that doesn't add balance to weigh up your opinion or responses.
Speak from your own experience, rather than trying to use data.
Furthermore we don't have Walmart in the UK, so you can't judge what they sell just from what you read from other member's responses on here. That doesn't give weight to how you feel about Dyson, let alone brandish every model that either Amazon or Walmart sells as ""plastic vacuums" that don't last. You're only 14. You've got a lot more years to experience whether a Dyson can last for 10 years or more. Or any other brand.
I know there is no Walmart in the UK I was standing from an American Point of view and in do you know what they sell as Theyvhave a website and I do have experience with how long manufacturers as my carer Had a Dyson DC05 for 15 years still works today And Had a vax for two years and it got completely destroyed on the same use of the DC05. You know what I will turn down the dyson setting please just Drop it got enough stress as it is.
super-sweeper
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I'm with the man here, yay team Fantom! Nobody used the technology better, except Amway as a runner-up! My Thunder always impresses, never flicks dirt back onto your feet like my DC14 did! I love the thing, and I buy them whenever I see them!
man114
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DC07
It is actually a better machine than a lot of what they are producing now, assuming you keep the upper cyclone assembly from getting clogged. It has its issues, but it isn't junk. The DC33 by contrast is downright fragile. The newer stuff doesn't seem much better, I've got a broken ball at work, the ball wheel cracked right off.
While the Fantom Thunder is long discontinued and not styled as well it is a far sturdier machine, otherwise 20 year old ones wouldn't still be running. These aren't collectors either, these are daily drivers. I see more running Thunders than DC07s.
Unless Dyson sees fit to market higher end commercial stuff these are high end discount store machines. Better than a $100 Dirt Devil? Yes. Better than a Kirby, Rainbow, Miele etc. No.
It is actually a better machine than a lot of what they are producing now, assuming you keep the upper cyclone assembly from getting clogged. It has its issues, but it isn't junk. The DC33 by contrast is downright fragile. The newer stuff doesn't seem much better, I've got a broken ball at work, the ball wheel cracked right off.
While the Fantom Thunder is long discontinued and not styled as well it is a far sturdier machine, otherwise 20 year old ones wouldn't still be running. These aren't collectors either, these are daily drivers. I see more running Thunders than DC07s.
Unless Dyson sees fit to market higher end commercial stuff these are high end discount store machines. Better than a $100 Dirt Devil? Yes. Better than a Kirby, Rainbow, Miele etc. No.
The Rainbow vs Dyson--Lets do the 52 strokes over the same area the Dyson did with the Rainbow-bet you will get more dirt in the Rainbow.A better test is to do one side of your floor with the Dyson-equal number of passes-then the other side with the Rainbow-equal number of passes.Then we can truely see which vacuum is the winner.Like other guys-feel the Rainbow is a better,more durable machine.It will outlast the Dyson.As I point out in other threads-the sad news about Dyson is it is an expensive dumpster vacuum.You maintain yours-other folks may not-so when the Dyson stops working its traded in for another-the dead trade in goes to the vac shop dumpster.They have been offered to me-but the machines are just too dirty,broken,dusty,and beat up.
cb123
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tolivac, your words speak to me like poetry!
sptyks
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Dys0nb0y, a taste of your own medicine...
I have a 50 year old Kirby Dual Sanitronic 50 that I restored. It looks like new and runs like new.
I would put my DS50 up against your DC65 any day and we'll see who picks up more dirt.
Will your DC65 still be working 50 years from now? Will you even be able to buy parts for it 50 years from now. I doubt it!
I have a 50 year old Kirby Dual Sanitronic 50 that I restored. It looks like new and runs like new.
I would put my DS50 up against your DC65 any day and we'll see who picks up more dirt.
Will your DC65 still be working 50 years from now? Will you even be able to buy parts for it 50 years from now. I doubt it!
oliveoiltinfoil
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How much do kirbys cost to buy? Around £1500. Then you have bags, which in the UK are hard to get hold of an expensive. And don't keep saying "buy off ebay, used" as some people are uncomfortable buying second-hand items such as a used vacuum cleaner, understandable.
Dyson only stopped support of their dc01's and dc02's a year ago. Not bad for 19 years worth of parts all over the internet for them anyway.
Dyson only stopped support of their dc01's and dc02's a year ago. Not bad for 19 years worth of parts all over the internet for them anyway.
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Well said Olive oil. I owned a Kirby a few years back. They are very well built do a fantastic job on carpet I admit. But they are more suitable for large homes. I found them to big and bulky to manoeuvre around furniture etc. Also noisy heavy and a pain in the ass having to take off the floorhead to attatch the hose every time you want to use tools.The HEPA bag isn't as good as a HEPA filter. But you pays your money.....
