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charles~richard
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<font color=gray>Charles, I am ashamed of you.</font <br <br
Sorry. Somebody had to do it, and I have the Photoshop skills.. <br
Sorry. Somebody had to do it, and I have the Photoshop skills.. <br
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Charles.. <br
I am a little disturbed by your photo shop skills. Living here, we are all holding our breath waiting to see what will become of the building. The letters as you can see are still there, but this town is still a Hoover town through and through. I took it a little personal since it hits very close to home with me. I almost got in the car and drove over to see if it was true! I just hope none of the Hoover retirees see this photo posted anywhere. Let's try to focus on the positives <br
--Tom
I am a little disturbed by your photo shop skills. Living here, we are all holding our breath waiting to see what will become of the building. The letters as you can see are still there, but this town is still a Hoover town through and through. I took it a little personal since it hits very close to home with me. I almost got in the car and drove over to see if it was true! I just hope none of the Hoover retirees see this photo posted anywhere. Let's try to focus on the positives <br
--Tom
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Happy Birthday Spangler Patent!
Here are some early Hoover cleaners....
Here are some early Hoover cleaners....
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Here is another line....
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The 1939 line...
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A later line up...
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<font color=gray>I am a little disturbed by your photo shop skills. Living here, we are all holding our breath waiting to see what will become of the building. The letters as you can see are still there, but this town is still a Hoover town through and through. I took it a little personal since it hits very close to home with me. I almost got in the car and drove over to see if it was true! I just hope none of the Hoover retirees see this photo posted anywhere. Let's try to focus on the positives!</font <br <br <br
The Hoover Plant closure IS a sad, tragic situation. My "revisionist artwork," jarring that it is, is meant as SOCIAL COMMENTARY, not as something humorous or silly. Nothing about it indicates a light-hearted take on the grave situation. And nothing about it detracts from the tragedy of the closure <br
Can you not see that <br
I'd say the fact that someone living, what, 1500 miles away gives a damn about it is focusing on a positive. Suppose I didn't care? How would you feel about that <br
Frankly, I am a bit disturbed at those who apparently feel that I should be "talked to" and that my art should be censored for the message it conveys. This sort of self-serving censorship runs against the grain of the constitutional rights that we as Americans hold dear; indeed, that we take for granted <br
Censor my art, and what else will you deign to censor? The next piece of art [or writing] that offends your hair-trigger sensibilities <br
I think you who are protesting this art really need to take in a bigger perspective on it <br
The Hoover Plant closure IS a sad, tragic situation. My "revisionist artwork," jarring that it is, is meant as SOCIAL COMMENTARY, not as something humorous or silly. Nothing about it indicates a light-hearted take on the grave situation. And nothing about it detracts from the tragedy of the closure <br
Can you not see that <br
I'd say the fact that someone living, what, 1500 miles away gives a damn about it is focusing on a positive. Suppose I didn't care? How would you feel about that <br
Frankly, I am a bit disturbed at those who apparently feel that I should be "talked to" and that my art should be censored for the message it conveys. This sort of self-serving censorship runs against the grain of the constitutional rights that we as Americans hold dear; indeed, that we take for granted <br
Censor my art, and what else will you deign to censor? The next piece of art [or writing] that offends your hair-trigger sensibilities <br
I think you who are protesting this art really need to take in a bigger perspective on it <br
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um... 'scuse me just a minute
Your comments are valid and noted, HOWEVER for myself, I was very offended by your "art" <br
Hair trigger sensibilities my A**... what you did with that picture was tacky, and posting it on this thread is about equal to pissing on it.
How about you own responsibility for your actions, instead of making other's reactions to your insensitive behavior the issue <br
This is my last post on this thread.
Your comments are valid and noted, HOWEVER for myself, I was very offended by your "art" <br
Hair trigger sensibilities my A**... what you did with that picture was tacky, and posting it on this thread is about equal to pissing on it.
How about you own responsibility for your actions, instead of making other's reactions to your insensitive behavior the issue <br
This is my last post on this thread.
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Well, Jeff, I guess you can have the right to be "offended," so long as I can have the right to "offend" you <br
But frankly I think you and others are over-reacting. In the extreme. I am QUITE baffled and dismayed over all this. I meant nothing offensive by it. And I believe any reasonable person would see that <br
Hoover was a company. It was not a religion. (Or was it??) The Hoover plant was a building. It was closed. That was a very sad and tragic end to a once-glorious company. I expressed my own personal sadness in a unique, thoughtful way <br
It's not like I have desecrated the Holy of Holies. (Or is it? <br
All I can say is, you guys certainly are easily offended <br
Frankly, I am surprised (and a bit offended) by your reactions to something I posted with good intentions, trying in my own artistic way to commiserate with the sadness people are feeling <br
How about, "Gee, C-R, it's nice to know that people care about this." (Believe me, there are a lot of people, even amongst us collectors, who do not care <br
But frankly I think you and others are over-reacting. In the extreme. I am QUITE baffled and dismayed over all this. I meant nothing offensive by it. And I believe any reasonable person would see that <br
Hoover was a company. It was not a religion. (Or was it??) The Hoover plant was a building. It was closed. That was a very sad and tragic end to a once-glorious company. I expressed my own personal sadness in a unique, thoughtful way <br
It's not like I have desecrated the Holy of Holies. (Or is it? <br
All I can say is, you guys certainly are easily offended <br
Frankly, I am surprised (and a bit offended) by your reactions to something I posted with good intentions, trying in my own artistic way to commiserate with the sadness people are feeling <br
How about, "Gee, C-R, it's nice to know that people care about this." (Believe me, there are a lot of people, even amongst us collectors, who do not care <br
Since Jeff isn't posting on this thread any longer....I decided to take his place <br
Charles <br
You certainly do have the right to "offend" anyone you wish. But you DO NOT have the right to get away with it. Many people here wouldn't call you on things that you say....or more so.....HOW you say them. But I will <br
I don't really think that its the fact that you posted the picture! Its HOW you come off about it. You ALWAYS get your say and your little digs in one way or another. EXAMPLE...."And I believe any reasonable person would see that." We don't all think alike or act alike. This is what makes the world go around. I realize that you can't help being who you are (see i can do it too) just like the rest of us can't help who we are or how we feel <br
"Overreacting"......yes I think a bit......but look who it is coming from......the person who "knows everything and always has a smart comment" whether you know it or not a lot of people feel this way. Since nobody else will tell you....I WILL <br
You stated that people amongst us collectors don't care.....but they aren't the ones that are posting the pics....did you just want to get noticed?? <br
and btw...........you aren't the ONLY one with photoshop skills......(i could say something really mean right now but i will refrain) this is NOT a personal attack on you. maybe you've never been told these things before and it is time you knew how others view you <br
have a good day <br <br
Charles <br
You certainly do have the right to "offend" anyone you wish. But you DO NOT have the right to get away with it. Many people here wouldn't call you on things that you say....or more so.....HOW you say them. But I will <br
I don't really think that its the fact that you posted the picture! Its HOW you come off about it. You ALWAYS get your say and your little digs in one way or another. EXAMPLE...."And I believe any reasonable person would see that." We don't all think alike or act alike. This is what makes the world go around. I realize that you can't help being who you are (see i can do it too) just like the rest of us can't help who we are or how we feel <br
"Overreacting"......yes I think a bit......but look who it is coming from......the person who "knows everything and always has a smart comment" whether you know it or not a lot of people feel this way. Since nobody else will tell you....I WILL <br
You stated that people amongst us collectors don't care.....but they aren't the ones that are posting the pics....did you just want to get noticed?? <br
and btw...........you aren't the ONLY one with photoshop skills......(i could say something really mean right now but i will refrain) this is NOT a personal attack on you. maybe you've never been told these things before and it is time you knew how others view you <br
have a good day <br <br
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I have a few questions about the photo's????
Ann Haines years ago during much of the 1980's was wonderful enough to send me about 40 or so B&W from the Historical Center some of which were shown so graciously by Tom A. <br
She also sent me a historical (time period current)soft cover book of the Hoover Companies History around 1985-86 area or so that listed off many models of Hoover's kind of like Maytag did around 1987 or so commemorating their 80th? anniversary <br
A couple of things about the pictures....Please any one?? <br
Photo# 2. Is it me, or does it appear that quite alot of dirt is escaping that model O??? LOL. Look at the lower left hand corner. And wow has anyone seen one of the earliest O's that was black with red striping???? How cool and sexy to me is that!!!! <br <br
On posts, 42370,42371,42372,42347,42375...were all ones that she sent me as well. I still have 42375, but it's in horrid shape after our dryer caught fire and water damaged things that were stored under the laundryroom. None of the machines are clearly visible, and the rest of them were damaged beyone salvation <br
Are these still available to purchase or ask for? I miss them dearly...and cherished them. Why were thery in storage then you might ask????? Becasue when the old early 60's HOH Maytag dryer caught fire, upstairs in the laundry/breezeway I was living in the Upper Peninsula, and had many things stored in the basement that I could not afford or just had no room to take with. <br
I owuld love to replace them. <br
Hopefully some one will see this since the post took a unfortunate turn.. <br <br
Chad
Ann Haines years ago during much of the 1980's was wonderful enough to send me about 40 or so B&W from the Historical Center some of which were shown so graciously by Tom A. <br
She also sent me a historical (time period current)soft cover book of the Hoover Companies History around 1985-86 area or so that listed off many models of Hoover's kind of like Maytag did around 1987 or so commemorating their 80th? anniversary <br
A couple of things about the pictures....Please any one?? <br
Photo# 2. Is it me, or does it appear that quite alot of dirt is escaping that model O??? LOL. Look at the lower left hand corner. And wow has anyone seen one of the earliest O's that was black with red striping???? How cool and sexy to me is that!!!! <br <br
On posts, 42370,42371,42372,42347,42375...were all ones that she sent me as well. I still have 42375, but it's in horrid shape after our dryer caught fire and water damaged things that were stored under the laundryroom. None of the machines are clearly visible, and the rest of them were damaged beyone salvation <br
Are these still available to purchase or ask for? I miss them dearly...and cherished them. Why were thery in storage then you might ask????? Becasue when the old early 60's HOH Maytag dryer caught fire, upstairs in the laundry/breezeway I was living in the Upper Peninsula, and had many things stored in the basement that I could not afford or just had no room to take with. <br
I owuld love to replace them. <br
Hopefully some one will see this since the post took a unfortunate turn.. <br <br
Chad
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Michael....
None needed my dear... <br <br
Hope to see you in Aug!!! <br <br
Chad
None needed my dear... <br <br
Hope to see you in Aug!!! <br <br
Chad
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<font color=gray>I don't really think that its the fact that you posted the picture! Its HOW you come off about it. </font <br <br
Well, I guess I could use some help here. I posted my photo with the accompanying remark "Seems kinda sad to note on this 100th birthday" in this thread, and "Sad to say, on this 100th Birthday..." in the "Thrifting in Canton" thread <br
What about either of those comments could cause someone to take umbrage to them? I mean, your point is that the offense taken was by how I "came off about it," right? Two of the three people who took offense posted their offense before I said anymore about it, so I have to assume that it was something in one of those statements that was the source of the offense. Sorry, but I just don't get it <br <br <br <br
<font color=gray>You ALWAYS get your say and your little digs in one way or another. </font <br <br
Well, I am certainly glad to know that is the case <br
Until now, I have really held my tongue about a lot of the postings that =I= find offensive (and there have certainly been plenty of them, some of them so offensive as to drive away long-standing VCCC members). But I have said nothing, wanting to keep this place fun and happy and not trying to make a point of going after people for crossing MY boundaries. <br
Because, you see, there was a time when I was freer with my criticisms and some people got rather upset about me speaking my mind, to the extent that requests were made for me to be less critical and more diplomatic in expressing my opinions about the content of some of the postings <br
Truly not wanting to make any waves, I sincerely decided to exercise restraint in my comments and simply disregard posts that I did not appreciate, even some of the ones that in my opinion really crossed the lines of prudence and good taste -- one way or another <br
However, since, despite exercising this discretion, I still am perceived as "getting in my little digs," maybe I ought to just start going at it full bore, giving people the same pieces of my mind that they are giving me now. You wanna see heads start spinning, just let me get started...... <br <br <br <br
<font color=gray>EXAMPLE...."And I believe any reasonable person would see that." We don't all think alike or act alike. This is what makes the world go around. I realize that you can't help being who you are (see i can do it too) just like the rest of us can't help who we are or how we feel.</font <br <br
You are reeeeeeeeeeeally putting words in my mouth and thoughts in my head here. I won't even try to respond to this because it defies being responded to, so ludicrous and out of touch is it <br <br <br <br
<font color=gray>"Overreacting"......yes I think a bit......but look who it is coming from......the person who "knows everything and always has a smart comment" whether you know it or not a lot of people feel this way. Since nobody else will tell you....I WILL.</font <br <br
Well, I don't know who has implied that I "know everything and always have a smart comment" but it certainly was not me. I don't know what else to say than that. And if other people feel that way about the many contributions I have made to the Club and to this site, well, that can only be written off to pettiness and small-mindedness on their part and reflecting not a whit on my character <br
I think it's safe to say that I have written as many posts and uploaded as many photos and stories here as anyone else has (more than most people do, by a long shot -- especially those who have nothing of value to post other than stirring up contention) <br
It may be a bit cheeky of me to say so, but I do feel most of my content has been substantive and of interest. Anyone who would construe my giving so freely of my time and energy as my being a "know it all smart ass" must have some sort of disconnect with sound reasoning. That's really all I can say about it. <br <br <br <br
<font color=gray>You stated that people amongst us collectors don't care.....but they aren't the ones that are posting the pics....did you just want to get noticed??</font <br <br
No, they are the ones who are sniggering and mocking certain VCCC and Vacuumland members behind their backs. You don't think it's going on? Then you really don't KNOW what goes on behind the scenes. I am sure that even as we talk, there is much merry-making going on about the truly ridiculous over-reactions to my kindly-intended photo commentary <br
I guess I posted my photo as much to be noticed as you have posted your comments to be noticed. <br
Most people do enjoy getting attention; although I have to note that my intentions around posting my photo had nothing to do with that <br
I do get quite a bit of attention, sometimes way too much of it -- e.g., this ridiculous tempest in a teapot that really is spinning out of hand <br <br <br <br
<font color=gray>and btw...........you aren't the ONLY one with photoshop skills......(i could say something really mean right now but i will refrain) this is NOT a personal attack on you. maybe you've never been told these things before and it is time you knew how others view you.</font <br <br
No, I certainly am not "the only one with Photoshop skills." And I have never claimed to be a Photoshop Virtuoso. Particularly regarding 10-minute edits that I knock out for the purpose of contributing something to these forums. (n.b., I do hope you don't think my "offensive Hoover art" represents my finest-honed skills. I do do this for a living, you know. <br
That being said, it is clear that you are belittling my skills or you would not have issued such a thinly veiled insult -- more succinctly, a personal attack despite your denial that that's what it is. Otherwise, you would not have found it necessary to utter your catty comment <br <br <br <br
<font color=gray>have a good day. </font <br <br
You too <br
You know, I truly do think it's really nice how you are coming to Jeff's defense on his behalf. Very chivalrous of you. We should all be so lucky as to have such concerned and devoted partners <br <br <br <br
<font color=blue size=+1>In conclusion, I appeal to the general readership of this Forum. PLEASE weigh in on this so I know where I stand. If you don't want to take a position publicly, then please email me off-list. I really want to know whether or not the consensus is that I stepped out of line in posting my Hoover art, and if the consensus IS such, then I will immediately post an apology and request that the offending work be removed <br
I leave it up to our community to decide this and until I get some indication about it, I'll say no more. I am sure I have already said more than suits most people. But I did feel the need to make at least some effort to defend myself, even when it's clear that I am only digging a deeper and deeper hole ... because certain people have made their minds up about my intentions and nothing I could say would change those people's minds. <br
Let me just remind everyone that I have been actively collecting vacuum cleaners for nearly 40 years -- longer than many of the members here have even been alive. I love vintage vacuum cleaners, and I love having this club and forum to share that passion with others. My contributions here may not suit some people, but what can I say. At least I am actively participating in the club and doing more than my part to keep this forum alive and interesting. Too bad more people aren't doing the same, instead of just sitting on the sidelines and picking fights with those who ARE active here -- creating issues where none exist and taking offense where none was intended.</font <br
Well, I guess I could use some help here. I posted my photo with the accompanying remark "Seems kinda sad to note on this 100th birthday" in this thread, and "Sad to say, on this 100th Birthday..." in the "Thrifting in Canton" thread <br
What about either of those comments could cause someone to take umbrage to them? I mean, your point is that the offense taken was by how I "came off about it," right? Two of the three people who took offense posted their offense before I said anymore about it, so I have to assume that it was something in one of those statements that was the source of the offense. Sorry, but I just don't get it <br <br <br <br
<font color=gray>You ALWAYS get your say and your little digs in one way or another. </font <br <br
Well, I am certainly glad to know that is the case <br
Until now, I have really held my tongue about a lot of the postings that =I= find offensive (and there have certainly been plenty of them, some of them so offensive as to drive away long-standing VCCC members). But I have said nothing, wanting to keep this place fun and happy and not trying to make a point of going after people for crossing MY boundaries. <br
Because, you see, there was a time when I was freer with my criticisms and some people got rather upset about me speaking my mind, to the extent that requests were made for me to be less critical and more diplomatic in expressing my opinions about the content of some of the postings <br
Truly not wanting to make any waves, I sincerely decided to exercise restraint in my comments and simply disregard posts that I did not appreciate, even some of the ones that in my opinion really crossed the lines of prudence and good taste -- one way or another <br
However, since, despite exercising this discretion, I still am perceived as "getting in my little digs," maybe I ought to just start going at it full bore, giving people the same pieces of my mind that they are giving me now. You wanna see heads start spinning, just let me get started...... <br <br <br <br
<font color=gray>EXAMPLE...."And I believe any reasonable person would see that." We don't all think alike or act alike. This is what makes the world go around. I realize that you can't help being who you are (see i can do it too) just like the rest of us can't help who we are or how we feel.</font <br <br
You are reeeeeeeeeeeally putting words in my mouth and thoughts in my head here. I won't even try to respond to this because it defies being responded to, so ludicrous and out of touch is it <br <br <br <br
<font color=gray>"Overreacting"......yes I think a bit......but look who it is coming from......the person who "knows everything and always has a smart comment" whether you know it or not a lot of people feel this way. Since nobody else will tell you....I WILL.</font <br <br
Well, I don't know who has implied that I "know everything and always have a smart comment" but it certainly was not me. I don't know what else to say than that. And if other people feel that way about the many contributions I have made to the Club and to this site, well, that can only be written off to pettiness and small-mindedness on their part and reflecting not a whit on my character <br
I think it's safe to say that I have written as many posts and uploaded as many photos and stories here as anyone else has (more than most people do, by a long shot -- especially those who have nothing of value to post other than stirring up contention) <br
It may be a bit cheeky of me to say so, but I do feel most of my content has been substantive and of interest. Anyone who would construe my giving so freely of my time and energy as my being a "know it all smart ass" must have some sort of disconnect with sound reasoning. That's really all I can say about it. <br <br <br <br
<font color=gray>You stated that people amongst us collectors don't care.....but they aren't the ones that are posting the pics....did you just want to get noticed??</font <br <br
No, they are the ones who are sniggering and mocking certain VCCC and Vacuumland members behind their backs. You don't think it's going on? Then you really don't KNOW what goes on behind the scenes. I am sure that even as we talk, there is much merry-making going on about the truly ridiculous over-reactions to my kindly-intended photo commentary <br
I guess I posted my photo as much to be noticed as you have posted your comments to be noticed. <br
Most people do enjoy getting attention; although I have to note that my intentions around posting my photo had nothing to do with that <br
I do get quite a bit of attention, sometimes way too much of it -- e.g., this ridiculous tempest in a teapot that really is spinning out of hand <br <br <br <br
<font color=gray>and btw...........you aren't the ONLY one with photoshop skills......(i could say something really mean right now but i will refrain) this is NOT a personal attack on you. maybe you've never been told these things before and it is time you knew how others view you.</font <br <br
No, I certainly am not "the only one with Photoshop skills." And I have never claimed to be a Photoshop Virtuoso. Particularly regarding 10-minute edits that I knock out for the purpose of contributing something to these forums. (n.b., I do hope you don't think my "offensive Hoover art" represents my finest-honed skills. I do do this for a living, you know. <br
That being said, it is clear that you are belittling my skills or you would not have issued such a thinly veiled insult -- more succinctly, a personal attack despite your denial that that's what it is. Otherwise, you would not have found it necessary to utter your catty comment <br <br <br <br
<font color=gray>have a good day. </font <br <br
You too <br
You know, I truly do think it's really nice how you are coming to Jeff's defense on his behalf. Very chivalrous of you. We should all be so lucky as to have such concerned and devoted partners <br <br <br <br
<font color=blue size=+1>In conclusion, I appeal to the general readership of this Forum. PLEASE weigh in on this so I know where I stand. If you don't want to take a position publicly, then please email me off-list. I really want to know whether or not the consensus is that I stepped out of line in posting my Hoover art, and if the consensus IS such, then I will immediately post an apology and request that the offending work be removed <br
I leave it up to our community to decide this and until I get some indication about it, I'll say no more. I am sure I have already said more than suits most people. But I did feel the need to make at least some effort to defend myself, even when it's clear that I am only digging a deeper and deeper hole ... because certain people have made their minds up about my intentions and nothing I could say would change those people's minds. <br
Let me just remind everyone that I have been actively collecting vacuum cleaners for nearly 40 years -- longer than many of the members here have even been alive. I love vintage vacuum cleaners, and I love having this club and forum to share that passion with others. My contributions here may not suit some people, but what can I say. At least I am actively participating in the club and doing more than my part to keep this forum alive and interesting. Too bad more people aren't doing the same, instead of just sitting on the sidelines and picking fights with those who ARE active here -- creating issues where none exist and taking offense where none was intended.</font <br
chestermikeuk
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Thanks Jack for the Patent information, I wonder as that Patent was filed if they ever wondered just what a difference that piece of paper would make in the world....Was there a model O to use for the filming as well as the Demo Cutaway? <br
Tom, thanks for sharing the pics!!! do we know just how many variations of the Model !O" there where etc...is it on one hand or tens etc. <br
Thanks Jack for the Patent information, I wonder as that Patent was filed if they ever wondered just what a difference that piece of paper would make in the world....Was there a model O to use for the filming as well as the Demo Cutaway? <br
Tom, thanks for sharing the pics!!! do we know just how many variations of the Model !O" there where etc...is it on one hand or tens etc. <br
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Here we go again.
Guys and Gals <br
IT seems that the purpose of this thread has been forgotten in the mud slinging which once again seems to have got out of hand.
I am not about to take sides with either argument, I can see the points boths sides are making. Surely however, this would be far better taken to private email rather than aired on the forum? <br
Jack,
Lets take this thread further onwards and upwards, making it the celebratory commentary it was intended to be. <br
To the moderators.
Do you think it would be appropriate to remove the inflammatory posts, not to censor the guys feelings or what they have said, but to bring this thread back to its intended meaning <br
Guy's Hoover was a great company and built the BEST cleaners money could buy. Yes it is sad to see Hoover as a mere shadow of its former self, but let us celebrate that even if only in name, they have managed 100 years. I hope that fate willing, they manage another 100 and although I wont be around to celebrate it I sincerely hope happens <br
Let us not have meaningless falling out over something which people have either misconstrued, or has perhaps been misrepresented in the first place <br
As I always say, HAPPY HOOVERING GUYS AND GALS <br
So, Here's to Charles-Richard, Jeff, and Michael, and anyone else who is feeling put out right now. Lets put this behind us and carry on the celebrations! <br
Happy hoovering Vacuumland! <br
Clark
Guys and Gals <br
IT seems that the purpose of this thread has been forgotten in the mud slinging which once again seems to have got out of hand.
I am not about to take sides with either argument, I can see the points boths sides are making. Surely however, this would be far better taken to private email rather than aired on the forum? <br
Jack,
Lets take this thread further onwards and upwards, making it the celebratory commentary it was intended to be. <br
To the moderators.
Do you think it would be appropriate to remove the inflammatory posts, not to censor the guys feelings or what they have said, but to bring this thread back to its intended meaning <br
Guy's Hoover was a great company and built the BEST cleaners money could buy. Yes it is sad to see Hoover as a mere shadow of its former self, but let us celebrate that even if only in name, they have managed 100 years. I hope that fate willing, they manage another 100 and although I wont be around to celebrate it I sincerely hope happens <br
Let us not have meaningless falling out over something which people have either misconstrued, or has perhaps been misrepresented in the first place <br
As I always say, HAPPY HOOVERING GUYS AND GALS <br
So, Here's to Charles-Richard, Jeff, and Michael, and anyone else who is feeling put out right now. Lets put this behind us and carry on the celebrations! <br
Happy hoovering Vacuumland! <br
Clark
