Got another Dyson DC01!!!
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dysondestijl
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I emailed you
turbo500
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The DA001 was the first Dyson I ever saw, belonging to my Aunt and Uncle. I thought it was the coolest thing I had ever seen at the time and tried to persuade my Mum and Dad to by one. Thank God they didn't, as just a few years later when I got to use one properly, I realised just how crap they were.
It saddens my greatly that there are people in the world who consider Dysons to be their childhood vacuum - I remember the days before Dyson existed. There were some seriously cool vacs around when I was a kid, and a huge mass of different makes and models. I really feel for anyone growing up in the bagless generation, the market seems so boring these days.
It saddens my greatly that there are people in the world who consider Dysons to be their childhood vacuum - I remember the days before Dyson existed. There were some seriously cool vacs around when I was a kid, and a huge mass of different makes and models. I really feel for anyone growing up in the bagless generation, the market seems so boring these days.
thekirbylover
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I really feel for anyone growing up in the bagless generati
but didnt you grow up in the bagless generation lol
but didnt you grow up in the bagless generation lol
davetranter
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'Bagless Generation'
I, too, feel sorry for those who are growing up / have grown up in the age of cheaply-produced, (but expensive to buy!!) 'plastic-y' throw-away appliances.
Regardless of the manufacturers' claims, I would challenge any of them to out-perform my 20+ year old cannister or compact cleaners. I keep my (fully washable/reuseable) filters clean, and they will happily lift the carpet with their airflow. My older cylinder cleaner has more mediocre performance, but then only has a 300W (or thereabouts) motor.
Another beef I have is with 'consumable' filters, etc. Plastic cased, non-reuseable paper elements which cost an arm and a leg, subtle control of the supply of which effectively limits the life of the appliance, unless a model is popular enough to encourage 'after-market' suppliers to make 'pattern parts'.
I grew up in the age of cylinder cleaners, and will always appreciate the feel of a good, heavy, braided hose and metal (yes, real metal) fittings....
As someone (sorry, can't remember who, or in which thread, and I'm not going to look it up) said on AW.org 'that's why I use 60 year old appliances... They still WORK'. I doubt that appliances produced now (vacuums or 'white goods') will still be working in 16 years, never mind 60....
Ok..... Rant over.....
Please discuss....
Dave T
I, too, feel sorry for those who are growing up / have grown up in the age of cheaply-produced, (but expensive to buy!!) 'plastic-y' throw-away appliances.
Regardless of the manufacturers' claims, I would challenge any of them to out-perform my 20+ year old cannister or compact cleaners. I keep my (fully washable/reuseable) filters clean, and they will happily lift the carpet with their airflow. My older cylinder cleaner has more mediocre performance, but then only has a 300W (or thereabouts) motor.
Another beef I have is with 'consumable' filters, etc. Plastic cased, non-reuseable paper elements which cost an arm and a leg, subtle control of the supply of which effectively limits the life of the appliance, unless a model is popular enough to encourage 'after-market' suppliers to make 'pattern parts'.
I grew up in the age of cylinder cleaners, and will always appreciate the feel of a good, heavy, braided hose and metal (yes, real metal) fittings....
As someone (sorry, can't remember who, or in which thread, and I'm not going to look it up) said on AW.org 'that's why I use 60 year old appliances... They still WORK'. I doubt that appliances produced now (vacuums or 'white goods') will still be working in 16 years, never mind 60....
Ok..... Rant over.....
Please discuss....
Dave T
madabouthoovers
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I agree about the filter situation - many of the so called lifetime filters these days are nothing of the kind, and most seem to fall to pieces after a certain number of washings - Vax are an example of this, when they recommend the filters are replaced on the Power 6 canister every so often, as the inevitable stresses and strains of constant washings (due to this being a single cyclonic vac) will wear out the filter within a year or so. These filters cost more than a couple of packs of bags would cost - so negating the benefits of a bagless cleaner. Very clever marketing and high pricing of filters is a con. The same can be said of the Bissell vacs, where the pre-motor is washable and re-useable, but the post motor is paper in a plastic surround and not washable. This post motor filter gets dirty quickly as Bissels are not very good on the quality of pre-motor filtration, and the post motor filters are expensive for what they are.
My 32 year old Kirby Heritage needs only bags - it has no Hepa pre-motor or post motor filters, and a single layer paper bag. When suction reduces, just change the bag and once a year wash the outer bag - that's it. It still lifts the carpet and does a great job of cleaning - it also has no plastic bits that snap off like modern vacs and I could drop it down the stairs and it wouldn't break - maybe bend the bag hanger a bit. Drop a Dyson DC07 down the stairs and I can safely predict you will need a new Dyson afterwards lol.
Dysons are a good vac, but they need to be treated with care, as they are fragile. Dyson revolutionised the vacuum cleaner market - so I say hats off to him for doing this in the space of 10 years, as that is good going. If people are still prepared to pay a fortune for a plastivac, then he must still be doing something right.
I like both bagged and bagless vacs, as each have their merits and their uses, but I still think that the Kirby cleans carpets best, although it aint so great for hose use.
My 32 year old Kirby Heritage needs only bags - it has no Hepa pre-motor or post motor filters, and a single layer paper bag. When suction reduces, just change the bag and once a year wash the outer bag - that's it. It still lifts the carpet and does a great job of cleaning - it also has no plastic bits that snap off like modern vacs and I could drop it down the stairs and it wouldn't break - maybe bend the bag hanger a bit. Drop a Dyson DC07 down the stairs and I can safely predict you will need a new Dyson afterwards lol.
Dysons are a good vac, but they need to be treated with care, as they are fragile. Dyson revolutionised the vacuum cleaner market - so I say hats off to him for doing this in the space of 10 years, as that is good going. If people are still prepared to pay a fortune for a plastivac, then he must still be doing something right.
I like both bagged and bagless vacs, as each have their merits and their uses, but I still think that the Kirby cleans carpets best, although it aint so great for hose use.
thekirbylover
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but don't practically all bagged machines require filter changes to, some of which are more expensive than a bagless cleaners filters, plus you have to factor in the cost of bags.
turbo500
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Michael, not quite. I was at least 5 when I first heard of Dyson with the DA001 and it was another 2-3 years until they became as popular as they were. I remember the days where there were no Dysons on our street.
And no, the filters do not require the same maintenance. For example, my Mum's Panasonic was in daily use for 17 years and never once had it's filters changed. Granted, it probably could have done with being changed, but it still worked fine and for all those years. A bagless cleaner will always require far more and often messy maintenance.
Incidentally, I bought a replacement pack of Panasonic filters recently for £1.95 in my local hardware shop.
And no, the filters do not require the same maintenance. For example, my Mum's Panasonic was in daily use for 17 years and never once had it's filters changed. Granted, it probably could have done with being changed, but it still worked fine and for all those years. A bagless cleaner will always require far more and often messy maintenance.
Incidentally, I bought a replacement pack of Panasonic filters recently for £1.95 in my local hardware shop.
madabouthoovers
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Yes, I agree. The Sebo X4 only needs the filters changing after 20 bags are changed, and that's a lot of dirt (about 100 litres) The bags are a tenner or so for 10 and the service pack is only about £24 for 10 bags and a pre-motor / post motor filter.
Miele enclose the filters free with the bags, and the Hepa filters only need replacement after 50 hours of use.
Bagged machines always help the secondary filters to stay cleaner for longer, as the bags are fundamentally the main filters. The only reason a secondary filter would become clogged on a bagged cleaner would be if the bag burst, and in a modern cleaner this is very unlikely, unless cheapo copy bags are used.
The filter Kit for a Vax power 6 is £24 and this needs changing on a regular basis, so this would work out dearer than bags and filters put together on a Sebo cleaner. I know this as I have both cleaners and have looked into costs of maintenance.
Peopl tend to replace bags on a bagged cleaner when full, giving full suction and airflow to the motor again, but on a bagless, they just empty the bin and neglect the filters - so then the motor burns out prematurely so costing a whole lot more than a pack or so of bags to put right.
So many bagless vacs die needlessly due to owners neglecting basic maintenance, either out of ignorance that bagless are high maintenance, or out of laziness.
I also think that the Dyson models after the DC14 have become very flimsy, and many DC24's have failed early on the brushroll motors which give out after remarkably few operating hours. However, Dyson do stand by their products and they will usually honour the warranty, which other companies try to wriggle out of by blaming the consumer for abusing the vac.
Miele enclose the filters free with the bags, and the Hepa filters only need replacement after 50 hours of use.
Bagged machines always help the secondary filters to stay cleaner for longer, as the bags are fundamentally the main filters. The only reason a secondary filter would become clogged on a bagged cleaner would be if the bag burst, and in a modern cleaner this is very unlikely, unless cheapo copy bags are used.
The filter Kit for a Vax power 6 is £24 and this needs changing on a regular basis, so this would work out dearer than bags and filters put together on a Sebo cleaner. I know this as I have both cleaners and have looked into costs of maintenance.
Peopl tend to replace bags on a bagged cleaner when full, giving full suction and airflow to the motor again, but on a bagless, they just empty the bin and neglect the filters - so then the motor burns out prematurely so costing a whole lot more than a pack or so of bags to put right.
So many bagless vacs die needlessly due to owners neglecting basic maintenance, either out of ignorance that bagless are high maintenance, or out of laziness.
I also think that the Dyson models after the DC14 have become very flimsy, and many DC24's have failed early on the brushroll motors which give out after remarkably few operating hours. However, Dyson do stand by their products and they will usually honour the warranty, which other companies try to wriggle out of by blaming the consumer for abusing the vac.
turbo500
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DIRTDEVIL HAND HELD 105 IN BOX BRAN NEW
Bran New? Is that some sort of arty-farty breakfast cereal?
I know there are people on here who have learning difficulties and difficulty with spelling - I'm not trying to cause offence to anyone, but please can you try and make sure your posts make sense? Based on common internet ettiquette, the combination of capital letters and lack of punctuation sort of implies that you're shouting, very quickly.
You've also posted that picture of your Dysons twice. We all saw it the first time.[this post was last edited: 6/4/2013-11:04]
Bran New? Is that some sort of arty-farty breakfast cereal?
I know there are people on here who have learning difficulties and difficulty with spelling - I'm not trying to cause offence to anyone, but please can you try and make sure your posts make sense? Based on common internet ettiquette, the combination of capital letters and lack of punctuation sort of implies that you're shouting, very quickly.
You've also posted that picture of your Dysons twice. We all saw it the first time.[this post was last edited: 6/4/2013-11:04]
Yes Citroenbx I absolutely agree with Chris, I'll let your all capital letter/no punctuation post above stay this time, but if it happens again I will delete it.
The forum rules of Vacuumland state that you must at least try to make your posts understandable using correct grammar and spelling. Everyone makes mistakes, but posts like the one above are unacceptable.
The forum rules of Vacuumland state that you must at least try to make your posts understandable using correct grammar and spelling. Everyone makes mistakes, but posts like the one above are unacceptable.
"I DO HAVE learning difficulties"
And I have dyslexia myself. It can be very difficult for me to write with a pen or pencil on paper, so the computer has helped me enormously, but I still make a ton of mistakes as I type. But because of this I take extra care to proof read my posts, sometimes five or more times before I hit the post button. I don't expect your posts to be perfect, mine certainly are not, but I do expect you to try extra hard if you want to post here. Posting quality is important in the new Vacuumland and having learning disabilities is not an excuse to be free from the forum rules. You just need to take your time and be extra careful.
And I have dyslexia myself. It can be very difficult for me to write with a pen or pencil on paper, so the computer has helped me enormously, but I still make a ton of mistakes as I type. But because of this I take extra care to proof read my posts, sometimes five or more times before I hit the post button. I don't expect your posts to be perfect, mine certainly are not, but I do expect you to try extra hard if you want to post here. Posting quality is important in the new Vacuumland and having learning disabilities is not an excuse to be free from the forum rules. You just need to take your time and be extra careful.
turbo500
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That may be the case, but you're on a computer. So you're either pressing shift or caps lock. The simple answer to that, is don't press that button. It's better to write in all lower case than in capitals.
The easier way to learn punctuation is to think about how you speak. Use full stops and comma's where you would normally end a sentence or take a pause.
Like it says in the forum rules, you won't get on trouble for poor spelling and grammar, but you need to try and make sure your posts make sense. If you're struggling with it, ask us. We all help each other out and as long as what you're saying is clear and makes sense, that's all that matters
The easier way to learn punctuation is to think about how you speak. Use full stops and comma's where you would normally end a sentence or take a pause.
Like it says in the forum rules, you won't get on trouble for poor spelling and grammar, but you need to try and make sure your posts make sense. If you're struggling with it, ask us
. We all help each other out and as long as what you're saying is clear and makes sense, that's all that matters
