Good and bad Electrolux Motors?

[real1shep]

Cool....

love to hear yet another one up and runnin'!


 


I recently bought a Super J with dismal suction, but very nice otherwise. I bought a rewound armature for it and am looking forward to a full restoration eventually.


 


Kevin

 

[human]

Glad you got her running...

Accessories aren't too hard to find and you can go with the original or do some mixin' and matchin' for your own custom combo. Looking forward to seeing what you come up with.

 

[real1shep]

I've got.......

two slightly different floor brushes that while the same color, one has the release on top and the other has the release on the side. Both I assume are around the Diamond J period. I'm gonna guess that the side release is newer, because I've never seen one before, as all the floor brush tools back to the G have a top release. No big deal and as long as the color matches, I mix & match accessories.


 


I've got a tan upholstery brush with green wings. I always thought that was just a repair, but I've seen them for sale like that on eBay.......which makes me wonder if they were ever a production piece in those colors?


 


Kevin

 

[ronni]

Red Text "Use only genuine Electrolux bags"

Regarding the red text on the rim of the bag cage, here is information from BrianKirbyClass's reply in this thread: http://www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?17012

"I heard an Electrolux Branch Manager who had been in business for over 40 yrs, say once that any Electrolux cannister with the RED lettering above the bag compartment that says "Use Only Genuine Electrolux Bags" in RED,, may have motor issues sooner or later, as a different(Cheaper and problematic) motor is used.
The bad news is that i think all models from the Diamond Jubilee on have the red lettering,,and ive seen some Silverado's with the red lettering also.

This Lux Branch Manager said that he had NEVER had ANY machine WITHOUT the red lettering come in because of early motor trouble or early burn out,,but had MANY, WITH the red lettering that DID have severe motor trouble. Infact,he said that some motors were burning out within DAYS after purchase. (Evidently the Marquis was the worst offender.)"

 

[fantomfan57]

I hope mine is okay...

I has lasted all this time and I actually ran it last week, no problem. Having lasted this long it may be that this one was replaced. I would have to look at the motor itself, but I am not motivated to take it apart at this time.

 

[real1shep]

Yeah.....

it's hard to speculate after all this time, if a canister has the original or a replacement motor....unless there's a stick with the five yr warranty like on the Super J's.

Kevin

 

[fantomfan57]

So I switched my Super J...

for the Silverado, to finish up the vacuuming. It was then I noticed I had not cleaned it up before bringing it inside from the shop.

I would REALLY like to replace the side bumpers, these are really rough in that there are nice size chunks "bitten" out of them. They are the bumpers with the "fins" instead of being flat AND, are grayish instead of beige-ish. If I find another set, I think I will have to warm them up with a hair dryer in order to make them easier to handle/manipulate.

Does anyone have any tips on replacing them?

 

[real1shep]

Use of a hair dryer is an excellent tool, as they have to stretch a bit to snap in. Or a heart gun on its lowest setting.  I found some nice bumpers on eBay for my Super J. The faded lettering I went over with the appropriate colored Sharpie...looks great/fresh.


 


Kevin

 

[human]

A tub of hot water would work well also or just set them out in the sun on a warm day.

 

[ronni]

Just to point out--in case you hadn't noticed--the bumper logos on the 50th Jubilee 1205 and the Super J 1401 had black lettering with a gold border; just as the teal 1205 had black lettering with a red border. Both were black on the Olympia One 1401, 1401-B, & 1505 and the Silverado 1505. Some have been redone in all black over the years, which has obscured the original colors.

The Deluxe Special Model 1453's bumper had a recessed logo with raised lettering, so only the letters were black--at least on the brown and gray ones--they were likely jade on the DJ-colored ones.

 

[fantomfan57]

Thanks, Kevin & Fred...

Good idea and info. I will have to check my vac's for the logo detail.

 

[real1shep]

....<a name="start_32795.361928"></a>just as the teal 1205 had black lettering with a red border.


 


Unless you think Lester's historical article on Electrolux is inaccurate, the lettering of the 1205 bumpers started out red and on final production they went to black....not sure on the borders. The two I have, have no color on the borders.  I'm gonna see if I can find some factory pics of the Super J. I thought they were black with a black border. The two used bumpers I bought came right off a Super J and were very faded black letters and borders....doesn't mean that's correct, but those bumpers had never been touched up, being that faded.


 


Lester's pics of the 1205's, although grainy, show no color border and none on the 50th Jubilee(1210).  Perhaps the border colors wore off/faded quickly.



 


Kevin

 

[human]

They're very prone to fading...

The red borders on both of my 1205s are badly faded. Truth be told, I wasn't aware the red stripe was even there until I read about it on this forum and looked closely at the one I had at the time (and still have) and could see the faded remnants of red. When I got the second one this summer, I could see the red borders a little more clearly but they were still very faint.

 

[ronni]

I'm going by personal observations ... the 1205s I've seen on eBay and one I've seen in person with the black control panel (1968 iteration) have had black letters and red border bumper logos. I've also seen several 50th Jubilee and Super J bumper logos with the gold borders and black letters; although it could be that the later Super Js had all black bumper borders and letters. I used to think that just the 50th Jubilee ones had the gold borders, because initially I'd seen Super Js with black ones. Then I talked with the owner of one who told me that he had reinked the logos in all black but wasn't sure of their original colors; and when I began to see other Super Js with gold borders on their bumper logos I just figured that the all black ones I'd seen had also been reinked.

A clarification of the term 'logo' might be helpful regarding Lester's information. There are 3 different types of logos: ICONIC/SYMBOLIC--a graphic--e.g. AB Electrolux nozzle logo; LOGOTYPE/WORDMARK--a stylized company name--e.g. (current Kirby logo); and a LETTER MARK--a combination of a symbol and a wordmark--e.g. mid- to late- century Electrolux logo). I'm guessing that Lester used 'logo' to refer to the border symbol only. If he did mean a letter mark, then the 1205 bumpers I've seen on the 1968 tanks were redone at some point. If you have a picture of an all red Electrolux USA bumper letter mark please post it.

 

[ronni]

50th Jubilee Model Correction ...

The 50th Jubilee model identification on the inside of the bag door is '1205'; albeit the owner's manual makes no reference to a numerical model. The '1210' may have been used in service manuals, although someone else mentioned that he'd seen '1205J'.

 

[human]

FWIW, my Super J's bumper logos are lettering with black borders and have not been re-touched, at least by me.

 

[ronni]

Model 1205 postcard--1968?

 

[ronni]

Thanks--it's possible that the later Super Js bumpers were originally inked completely in black just like the later Olympia Ones; although now I wonder if the border on those was dark brown that faded to black--haha.

I checked some of the eBay Super J listings all of which had faded or were too blurry to detect.

What is the serial ID of yours (on the stabilizer)? As far as I can tell they all had the same 'K' prefix, and the suffixes went in alphabetical order according to manufacturing; so K_A affixes would have been early ones and K_R affixes would have signified later ones.

 

[human]

Mine is a K_S so it must be a very late one.

 

[real1shep]

K_S Super J's were the ones where they had the fire at the plant and could not produce their own armatures,. They were outsourced outside the plant and they had troubles with the motors after that. They also stood by them and if your dealer/salesman fixed your machine, you got a new motor with a sticker under the handle that read ; 'Five Year Warranty'. I'm not 100% sure, but I think the K_S serial run might have been the last iteration of the Super J


 


As I said earlier, I sent my DD 1205 back to my son in Brooklyn. It had black on black bumpers. I just looked at my other here that needs restoration and I honestly can't tell what the remnant color is on the border, even under a magnifying glass. If I had to guess, I'd say black and black lettering again inside for sure.


 


If all the Super J's had gold borders, than I did mine wrong. Which means the old faded replacement ones that came off another Super J, black/black, were wrong from the source. Maybe they were originally off a 1205. Kinda maddening.


 


My ex has the 50th Anniversary Jubilee.....I was there today with our grandson, I could have checked what the model was inside the door. I abhor those color canisters...I only bought the Super J for the bigger motor and its historical significance(the million dollar plant retooling to make the motor and canister body).


 


The Super J's promotional literature that was used to distribute propaganda to regional Electrolux mangers and salesmen, shows black lettering with a red border. And then dozens of pics followed with testing procedures,  McKee proudly holding one etc, etc. But they are all B&W pics and I can't tell much about colors used on actual models in the lit.


 


Kevin

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