Good and bad Electrolux Motors?

[fantomfan57]

I am confused, which model canister had the bad motor in it? I have a model 1401, 1401B and a 1521 (blue, white trim, on/off in english & french).

My 1521 has the phrase "Use only genuine Electrolux bags" embossed just above the inside where the bag is installed. It also has UltraLux screen printed on the surface behind the blower hole.

 

[human]

Some more knowledgeable members can probably answer this with a greater level of specificity, but my understanding is that a relatively small number of 1401 (Super J) vacuums received defective motors when Electrolux had to quickly find an alternative supply of motors following a fire at their motor plant. When the bad motors began failing, Electrolux replaced them with good motors and put an extended warranty on the affected machines.

The ones that were repaired under warranty usually have a sticker on them stating the extended warranty. You can also identify those machines by their serial numbers but I don't remember exactly what to look for there. At this point in time, some 40 years after the fact, I would think it fairly unlikely to encounter a 1401 with a bad motor as they have probably either had the defective motors replaced or have been scrapped. In other words, if the thing is still running after all these years, it most likely has a good motor.

 

[fantomfan57]

Thanks, Edgar...

That makes perfect sense. Here are the shots of the 1521. The screen print label says Ultralux Classic, the Classic did not show up in the picture. It is, my favorite after my Lewyt.

 

[real1shep]

There is.........

actually a discussion about this in here regarding the Super J motor. It was one of the serial # runs K----------S. Lux stood behind each and every claim and fixed them all. The five yr warranty on the motor, you'll see under the handle on some surviving canisters is testimony to that. I believe the Super J motor was the biggest and baddest canister motors Lux ever made in house. They spent over a million dollars retooling their plant to make that specific motor. It's bigger, the armature is longer etc than anything previous.


 


Other than that, there was an initial run of Diamond j motors that were said to shed their commutator plates. I've restored about a half dozen Diamond J's and never seen a motor I couldn't service. Somebody also said in here that due to the sandy, desert type environs there was some Lux motor failure. I've never seen the Diamond J motor failure they're talking about and.....I bought a new one about 84/85. My ex had it until her cleaning lady virtually destroyed it...motor never even flinched. But those motors were outsourced for Lux and very LOUD...compared to the classic Lux wooooosh.


 


I lot of it of course, depends on the quality of the bags, how full you let the vacuum run and if you're ever tempted to vacuum over something damp etc. Even the best motors can fail if abused.


 


Let me know if you want that link about the Super J motor.


 


Kevin

 

[fantomfan57]

These wires.....

Here is a picture of the wires I am talking about.

2 white ones, do they go together piggybacked?

the single black wire has a different connector. Where does that go on the cord winder...more importantly,why is it different.

Should I change the black wire's connector and clip that on to the correct terminal on the cord winder?

Before I connect these, am I correct?

 

[kloveland]

Where is the motor? The snap in connector connects to an identical female connector wire coming from the motor. I believe the other motor wire (there should be two wires coming from the motor) connects to the piggy back connector.

Did you label or draw a picture of the wires when you took the motor out? Once you have the motor in it should be more clear. I guess I'm unclear of what is going on here. Maybe I misread.

 

[kloveland]

Try this link.

http://chrisswingler.com/blog/2011/04/electrolux-diamond-jubilee-canister-vacuum-disassembly.html

or this:

http://blog.evacuumstore.com/post/2...in-Your-Electrolux-Metal-Canister-Vacuum.aspx
http://chrisswingler.com/blog/2011/04/electrolux-diamond-jubilee-canister-vacuum-disassembly.html

 

[kirbyvertibles]

There actually a lot of motors sent in for warrantee work on the last of the metal tanks. The Diamond J, Marquise, and Ultra lux. As far as the Super J issues I don't know about those.

 

[fantomfan57]

Now I remember.....

I did not originally take the motor out nor was I given the motor. A Vacuum Shop friend just gave me the body without a motor and cord winder.

Further, I was attempting to install a motor from a Diamond Jubilee, which I just found out is too big (??) to correctly install.

I am about to give up on restoring the Silverado. I really wanted that one restored.

(BTW, I did not click on the links above before writing this).

 

[real1shep]

It doesn't.....

surprise me that there was some significant motor failure with the Diamond J series type motor...it was an outsourced motor for the first time. However, they all got fixed under warranty;as the motors failed up front, not many yrs down the line. Ergo, you had a good one or a bad one from the get go. You could also argue that the ones I restored were surviving examples and as such were either replacement motors or sound originals.  


 


The info on the Super J motor is well documented and not up for conjecture.  They even know what run of serial numbers you're supposed to stay away from....resulting from the armatures being outsourced after the fire at the Lux factory. Read about it here, as I'm not going to quibble about it further.


 


That link above is invaluable....I used it a long time ago when I was reckless with a Diamond J on not taking a pic and/or writing down how it was wired. It just took one picture frame from his tutorial to put me back in business. I went to thank him for his contribution, but you can't loop back to a real person. 


 


Kevin

[this post was last edited: 9/15/2016-13:41]

http://www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?24132

 

[blknblu]

don't give up on the Silverado.
Post some pics of the what the vac looks like.
We might be able to work something out.
I have a running one with a rusty shell.

 

[fantomfan57]

Hey Sven...

Here are the pictures, I have not wiped it down yet and the switch was on the work bench inside. It looks good, but will clean up very well. The side bumpers are notched up pretty well, so I would want to replace them.

I have a couple perfectly good running machines I was thinking of pulling the motors out of, but I may not.

BTW, the Diamond Jubilee I parted out, had been treated really badly. The rear wheel mounting shaft brackets were torn in two so not all the rivets were stabilizing the wheels.

What did you have in mind?

 

[blknblu]

cracked axles brackets
These vacs will usually get tossed.
I fixed mine by fabricating new ones.
(Brown Olympia One, now blue )

1st 3 pics are the Olympia One
4,5, & 6 show the Silverado. Bottom is all rusty.
It looks like the Silverado was kept in a very humid area.

 

[fantomfan57]

Sven,

you mentioned working something out? What did you mean?

 

[blknblu]

give me a shout.

 

[real1shep]

I'm pretty sure the wiring is mostly the same from the 1205 on....so that link above where the guy breaks down the Diamond J should be self-explanatory. It sure helped me! Although as I mentioned, it worked fine the way I wired it....but according to his pics, I switched just two wires. To be honest, I didn't trace it through to see what the difference would have been.


 


Kevin

 

[fantomfan57]

Success!

I mechanically restored the Silverado! Now for the cosmetic work and gathering of the attachments/wands/hose and PN.

 

[real1shep]

Curious to see what it will pull in inches of water....do you have a gauge? If you've done the motor right, should pull over 70"....some will pull 80"


 


Kevin

 

[fantomfan57]

Gage....

I do not, but suction is excellent...sounds great too.