fixing loss of suction in old hoses

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Early Kirby model C

Hi,
My early kirby model C (The one with no head lamp)
Has the same bag as the R series with a solid gold color logo.
But the spring has snapped at the bottum:-((

james
 
Charles do you think that somehow very gently steaming the bag would help restore the fibres. Say with one of those small handheld steamers used for drapes and such that way you can work slowly and avoid spots you might not want touched like the logo. Of course some of it depends on what the fabric consists of but I'm assuming it's natural fibres and not synthetics for that period.
 
Your stunning Model-R Bag

Could you show us a close up shot of the mouth of the bag? I think it is very repairable. If the fabric around the base is not too terribly deteriorated, I would:

1) Open the seam of the pocket holding the rusted metal spring with a seam ripper or a pair of sharp, straight manicure siscors.

2) Discard the spring

3) Clean the trapped dust and rust from the pocket.

4) Repair the damaged fabric ON BOTH SIDES with iron-on black patch fabric (available at most any fabric/sewing notions store). I would then hand stitch the edges of the patch(es) for extra security.

5) Replace the metal spring with a standard-issue Eureka round rubber agitator belt

6) Enclose the rubber belt into the pocket by hand stitching. Make sure the pocket remains generous enough so the belt can stretch and slide easily enough. Also be sure you don't "catch" the belt with the needle.

If the fabric around the base is too far gone to be patched, I would "amputate" at the level of the highest damage, cut a piece of heavy black twill to match, open the seams on the salvaged bag where it will meet the new section and "splice" the two together as meticulously as you see fit. Install the Eureka belt at the base of this new section. Basic sewing techniques will see you through this exercise. A sewing machine would be a help for most of this work, but I, personally, would NOT use a machine to sew the pocket seam discussed above.

As for revitalizing old hoses, I am fascinated as to how we all have "converged" on largely the same solution!

I did not use pure latex, but rather PERFORMIX brand "Plasti Dip." It is available at hardware stores and auto parts stores. It is supposed to come in several colors but I have yet to see anything but black. A 14.5 oz jar costs up to $9.95.

I treated my hose much as you did, Charlie, with the following difference:

1) I washed the hose inside and out, in my bath tub in very warm water, laundry detergent and Clorox 2 (or equivalent). I happened to have a dryer duct cleaning brush set which includes multiple 3-foot rod sections that get attached one to the next as it is fed into the duct, or in this case the hose. The business end can be fitted with a bottle-brush like affair intended for cleaning out the lint trap. I used this to scrub out the deteriorated fabric lining and the considerable soil built up inside the hose.

2) I drip dried the hose, then attached it to the blower end of the vacuum for 10 minutes or so of forced air drying. Only when I was convinced it was completely dry did I proceed to the rubber coating phase.

3) After I filled the innards with the rubber solution and poured out the excess, I did, deliberately, attach the hose to the BLOWER end of the vacuum, and WITH THE OPPOSITE END OF THE HOSE COMPLETELY PLUGGED with a heavy rag, I used the positive pressure of the blower to force the still wet rubber deeply into the pores of the hose.

4) Once it was dry and set, I ran the "bottle brush" through it again to be sure there were no blockages.

Yes, the colored rubber can bleed through to the outer jacket if you are not careful. Minor to moderate boo-boos can be cleaned up with Naptha.

Yours in St. Louis,

Marty Kaplan
 
David Watters here...sorry for the delay...

Yes I have carefully restored several painted Kirby logos back onto bags that had been worn off. I went to Walmart and got fabric paint, as best I could in matching colors, such as red, gold and silver. I then carefully put the paint back on the same as the logo before by have one to look at or one to copy. If you need help with this I would be glad to help you. Screening these might take an awful long time to do so, but I am not sure if they will be more perfect than painting as I have done. I do take my time and make sure it done correctly.

I have also repaired the springs in the bottoms of Kirby bags. Yes Marty sounds like he has done an excellent job and I have done the same with other clothe materials adding if needed and I have also taken the springs or other rubber rings from newer Kirby replacement bages that I did not need and used those rings to repair the older bags that have broken, due to rust or age.

I have done the hose thing yet. I have so many hoses that I have collected and I mean many. Some yes are old rubber hoses and Reggie could tell you he found a coulple he needed.

David
 
Thanks for all the tips

When I can get to my Kirby R bag, I'll post more pix of it. Right not it's stored in the bottom of my vacuum cleaner display unit and it's a bit of a hassle to get to it.

Marty, I'll check on that PlastiDip stuff. Hope it works!!
 
Since there was no response to Marty's reply (no. 21), I'm just checking to make sure that washing a woven hose as he describes is safe to do both on non-electric and electric hoses.
 
Any ideas how to seal loose cuffs on older straight hoses? The hose itself is fine, but the cuffs are loose on the hose ends. One vacuum shop suggested clear RTV silicone but in my experience it's flexible to a point but it doesn't survive a lot of handling or movement as you would have in a vacuum hose.
 

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