EWW!

[blackheart]

A lot of these cheap modern vacuums have truly sad performance i just saw a very good example of that yesterday and it just makes me think how much dirt are these vacuums leaving behind?


I sold my Rainbow D4 to an older couple yesterday. I believe their last vacuum was a Eureka maxima, as i saw one sitting out on their porch as i was bringing the rainbow in. I suggested that they give the rainbow a try to ensure everything was working. The man cleaned an area of about 20" by 20" and the water was just completely brown with a floating clump of dog hair on top. I told them they will want to change their water very often the first few times they use it.


A few years back i was cleaning out a friend's apt before she moved.Her vacuum was a bagless Bissell Powerforce. I was using a shop vac attached to a homemade separator with a 16" hose and an electrolux PN-6 I had a basketball sized clump of hair and other dirt in the separator's bin (5 gallon bucket) along with about a cup or two, if i remember right, of sand. There was more than likely more in the bag of the shop vac that passed through the separator, but i hate to think what i could have brought out of that carpet with a better powerhead.


On a side note i found a Panasonic upright with the triforce motor for about $4

 

[vacuumfreeeke]

How did you get a shop vac to run a power nozzle? I agree it's gross what modern machines leave behind...

One of the place I work at uses these for vacuum cleaners.



I brought this (straight suction only mind you)...





And got this...





Need I say more?

 

[floor-a-matic]

What vacuum is this vacuumfreeeke? It sure has LOTS of power!

At home I use my red TriStar CXL 2-speed either with straight suction rug tool or 2-1000 PN equipped with VibraGroomer II brush/beater bar roller

When cleaning houses/apartments I use the "Silver Bullet" TriStar CXL with Eureka VibraGroomer III PN or model 2-51 cogged belt PN equipped with bristles only brush roller

 

[vacuumfreeeke]

It's a sharp canister.... I will try to put a link to my video of it on here but sometimes that doesn't work because I'm using my phone.... if it doesn't I'll do it from the computer later tonight...

 

[jade_angel]

On a similar note - the house I'm in now, the previous owners had been using a poorly-maintained Dirt Devil canister. The first few times I vacuumed here (with a Filter Queen) I nearly filled the bin with sand and pet fuzz of some kind. I have cats, but I know they didn't shed *that* much.

Then when I got my Simplicity 6970, I managed to fill the bag on that in three trips through the house. (That was a good clue that the FQ needs a better power nozzle, too - I ordered a Wessel Werk EBK360 to go with it.)

 

[blackheart]

Bobby,

I ran the power nozzle by creating an external pigtail for the hose it was actually an old kirby cord which i attached to short cord that had a standard 2 prong male connection and a female pin connection (like a power nozzle port) on the other side i attached to the hose using a series of rubber bands. I was using the shop vac as a sort of self built central vac at my old apartment.

That's almost horrifying that you picked up that much filth with a straight suction machine and you know some made it past that separator so there's probably a little more material in that bag.

Eric,

Amazing isn't it? It's said that carpeting can hold up to 8x it's own weight in dirt.

 

[vacuumfreeeke]

So you plugged the power nozzle into the a regular wall outlet then?

Horrifying indeed. I'm sure there is stuff in the bag (been too scared to look) because when I started, the bag check indicator was green and now it's orange! I have to change the bag now. Note that I've been using the same bag in the machine in my apartment for the several months I've had the machine and the bag check indicator hasn't risen one bit.... one time on that nasty carpet (less than 100 square feet) and and the bag is full, not to mention what I got in the cup that you see pictured here. Can you even imagine what would have happened if I'd brought a Hoover WindTunnel, Simplicity 7 Series, Kirby, Miele S7, or Rainbow E series? I shudder to think! I don't want to get my good machines all nasty though... as it is, I'm going to have to drench this one with Lysol before I bring it back in the apartment... It's still in the car trunk fermenting LOL...

 

[vacuumfreeeke]

By the way, are you going to show us the Panasonic? Awesome find and great price! The new/current Panasonics are kind of disappointing, but I like their older stuff.

 

[ericaustin]

Work

I also took my Olympia One to work and vacuumed about 6 cubicles. The cubicle walls are fabric and there was dust on them an inch thick. The cleaning crew uses straight suction only backpack vacuums and they are always locked up. I filled a brand new C bag. Needless to say, I am keeping the Olympia at work locked up! No wonder all of us sneeze and hack!

 

[vacuumfreeeke]

Eric, that is freaky. I sneeze at work all the time and very seldom anywhere else... what nasty places LOL

 

[floor-a-matic]

EricAustin, do U use the 4-ply C bags or HEPA C bags in your Lux? U can fill up a Lux HEPA bag & still have plenty of airflow/suction left; & not an ounce of dust escapes a HEPA bag

 

[blackheart]

yup

The kirby cord was plugged into the wall the on/off/reset switch on the nozzle itself was pretty nice with this set up.

Here's that panasonic i'm pretty impressed with it it pulls about the same on the baird meter as my simplicity 7 series does.

 

[ericaustin]

Bag use

I used the 4 ply paper C bags as that's what I had available at the time. I found a huge unopened package at a thrift store for $0.99.

 

[floor-a-matic]

<span style="font-family: comic sans ms,sans-serif;">I even filled 2 bags after vacing with the TriStar CXL; sometimes more bags than that.  I remember vacing with the TriStar after the carpet had been vacuumed with a cheap bagless non-cyclonic Dirt Devil Vision</span>


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<span style="font-family: comic sans ms,sans-serif;">The brush roller on the TriStar CXL was a 2-brush/plastic beater bar wooden brush roller</span>

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[jade_angel]

We've had no janitors at work for several months, and just about everyone here sneezes and coughs and sniffles. A bit ago I brought in a Royal 880 that I got off eBay, and then its motor croaked.

So, after a bit of hackery, replacing the motor with a Royal 671 motor, replacing the brush, modifying the outer bag to take Kirby HEPA bags and getting a set of attachments, I gave the office the Royal treatment. Amazingly, I managed to half-fill a Kirby bag with fine, sticky dark gray grit, and the carpets are visibly lighter in color. No wonder everyone was hacking...

Looks like I'm gonna leave the Royal here and spend a few minutes each day doing what nobody else will!

 

[jaker15]

Ew indeed

That's why I stick with my Convertible! I filled up a bag cleaning my dad's GF's house, and it filled very quickly. I'd say that it does better than my Kirbys, but I might offend some people here.... I do love my Kirbys, though. A few weeks ago I drug out my Electrolux LE and I cleaned my dad's truck. The turbo nozzle wasn't cutting it so I switched to a Kenmore Powermate Jr. I filled up a new C bag with all kinds of unspeakable nastiness. My dad's truck has never been cleaner. LOL. I also gave the LE a pretty good workout, too.

 

[floor-a-matic]

<span style="font-family: comic sans ms,sans-serif;">How can pure straight suction pull out so much dirt from carpet?  I still can't forget the times when I filled up the TriStar's bags after vacing a small section of just ONE room!

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<span style="font-family: comic sans ms,sans-serif;">Even my EXL TriStar outcleaned every other vac I own, including the CXL</span>

 

[kenkart]

Dont knock straight suction..

It gets out a different type of dirt, you can go behind any revolving brush with a good straight suction machine and get a ton of fine dust.

 

[blackheart]

Not quite as horrible...

But over my time off i figured i'd shampoo the carpets so i moved all the furniture and then wanting to see what it could do i took my DC-07 to it using slow strokes and this is what it captured. It probably would have gotten more but i did take my Riccar Radiance to the higher traffic area a few hours before.

 

[sebo_fan]

Im not really surprised that the suction only vacuum pulled out that much dirt - for a start the Bissell Sweep and Shark (Gtech in the UK) machines are cordless sweepers, so much of the time they'll only remove the top dirt you can see and the rest of the time move the rest of whatever dirt that comes out of the top pile, around.

I do agree that straight suction/suction only can pull out a lot more fine dirt but you also have to bear in mind that depending on whatever type of carpet you have, constant brush roll can damage the carpet you're cleaning.

Last week I ended up washing a carpet with my Bissell upright, after a day when the carpet dried I realised that what my Hoover Slalom bagless upright was picking up were the loose tufts of carpet rather than actual dust.

 

[blackheart]

Then came the big guns

Kirby Heritage attached to the NSS pig with a 2" hose

Quite a bit of grit and fine dust came out

 

[super-sweeper]

be lucky you got anything!

Using a DYSON!

 


The last time I used a Dyson on carpets was when I put it to test against FANTOM! A DC07 vs Thunder, DC14 vs Furry.the Fantom (esp. The Thunder) WHOOPED both Dyson at deep, down dirt removal.I thought something was wrong with this Dyson I had JUST refurbished, how could this plastic fortune do so badly at what it was designed for, yet make it of the foreign assembly line! The Thunder' s bin FILLED with sand, dirt and the likes. Fantoms were made in Canada, too!

 

[blackheart]

I know

I do not expect much of the dysons. I used to have a Fantom Cyclone XT which outcleaned it and the shark navigator lift away too would outclean the dyson.

 

[floor-a-matic]

<span style="font-family: comic sans ms,sans-serif;">I wonder if this Kenmore Cyclonic will outperform a Dyson?  I LOVE mine!</span>


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<span style="font-family: comic sans ms,sans-serif;">I wish this Kenmore PN had two full rows of bristles & a full row of beater bars like the older Kenmore PNs had.  Is that old style brush roller still available?</span>

[this post was last edited: 4/11/2014-18:15]

 

[super-sweeper]

ANYTHING will Out-Perform a Dyson!

 


(Ducks & Runs!)

 

[dysonman1]

I have the Kenmore bagless. Love the purple color. I've used it quite a bit. The very small capacity is somewhat of a pain - prefer the Dyson DC39's capacity to the Kenmore. The Kenmore has a good power nozzle that works well on pet hair and an electric mini power nozzle that works great on the sofa.

 

[man114]

The Fantom beating a Dyson is no surprise, better brush roller design. The solid plastic air inlet. Awesome motor. I'm pretty certain the Fantom Thunder was amongst the best bagless cyclonic designs ever made in terms of overall build quality and performance. When I run across these used they largest problem I usually encounter is clogs. I still at least a dozen, maybe 60 have crossed my path, and only one ever had a bad motor. They're almost never beyond repair, usually they are clogged or the cord or switch is bad.

 

[ridgidwd0670]

I used my Workshop WS0610VA (aka Ridgid WD0670) shop vac (always equipped with the Ridgid VF6000 HEPA pleated filter & Casa Vacuums HEPA bag [Ridgid VF3503 equivalent] for dry pick-up) with the 'utility nozzle' & it pulled up LOTS of fine dirt (carpet fresh?) before I re-vacuumed the carpeted floors with my Eureka Dial-A-Nap ESP

Had I used the Eureka ESP only or 1st instead of the Workshop shop vac I'd be using up lots of bags & belts; yet still dirt in the carpet (Yes I checked UNDER the carpet after vacing)

 

[eurekafansquid]

This makes me assume everybody on this thread is scary.