marcusprit
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Big bad Dan doesn't frighten me 
DYSON TO MERGE WITH KIRBY!!!
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sptyks
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I knew it was April Fools as soon as I read the Topic!
Oliver, you need to take a chill pill. I was replying to dysonman1 (aka Tom Gasko) in Reply # 5.
I don't think he was joking.
Oliver, you need to take a chill pill. I was replying to dysonman1 (aka Tom Gasko) in Reply # 5.
I don't think he was joking.
kirbyloverdan
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Mark
U don't like KIRBY and I don't like Sebo , Miele and Dyson so we're even
that's Y there are tons of brands for everyone .
Dan
U don't like KIRBY and I don't like Sebo , Miele and Dyson so we're even
that's Y there are tons of brands for everyone .Dan
sptyks
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That's right Dan,
We love our American made vacuums because they are superior to any European brand and that's why we are willing to pay a premium price for them.
This short video explains why:
We love our American made vacuums because they are superior to any European brand and that's why we are willing to pay a premium price for them.
This short video explains why:
ralph123
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Marcus - Dyson will thrive under Buffett's leadership. Dyson will lay off the 45 Dyson engineers who are still trying to design a brush roll. James Dyson will be able to take his winnings and work nearly full time at his foundation doing the work he loves.
If someone really wants the "bagless" Kirby-how bout having Kirby bring back the dump bags and Sani-emptor as an option for customers that want a "bagless" machine.I like the Kirby Filtrete bags-no bagless Kirby for me!If you want the bagless or dump bag Kirby-just be sure to dump the bag or bin OUTSIDE! This was easily done with the Rainbow.When I used mine-just simply dumpted the dirty water bin outside in the plant bed.When I was a kid-my Dad would dump the Kirby dump bag outside in the plant bed.Forget the dumb paper gag.I actually like how Kirby has stuck with their system that WORKS rather than risk failure changing it.I am currently enjoying my Avalir!Really nice machine.It was worth the wait!When you read the Kirby proof books and have the demo--the salesman does do a good job of having buyers switch from a dusty,dirty,high maintenance bagless machine to a Kirby.The salesman I bought from has MANY Dysons and other bagless vacuums in his trade in piles!Folks will buy the bagless machines-but when they find out they have to clean or replace filters-then they will change their minds!Same with the Vac shop I go to all the time in my area-the man there gets bagless machines offered to him for trade towards Meile,Sebo and other bagged vacuums.Often the bagless machine gets dumpstered becuase its so dirty and dusty.He doesn't want to spend the time cleaning them up.Yes,even Dysons have been dumpstered at this shop.Most he gets are really bad.
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Stan you want to study the history of British science and engineering then you will realise what the British have given to the world
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BTW Hubert Cecil Booth invented the Motorised vacuum cleaner here in the UK in 1901
turbo500
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Oh dear God, here we go again...
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It's a damn shame we don't produce vacs here in the UK that are every bit as good as in the US if not better because we are more than capable of it don't you think Chris?
And it wasn't me who started this it was meant to be an April fool joke!
And it wasn't me who started this it was meant to be an April fool joke!
turbo500
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It's not you, Marcus, it's everyone! I don't know why people insist on having this same argument over and over again.
Homes in the US and homes in Europe are VERY different. Floortypes, size of the home, number of floors, number of people living in the home, pets, location. These are all factors that determine what vacuum will work well for someone. For example, the UK is a small country with a LOT of people in it. As a result, homes are much smaller here than in the US and built much closer together. It's only logical that smaller vacuums would be more popular here as they're easy to use around our smaller homes.
There is no "the best vacuum EVER" because what works for one person might not be what is required for another.
I don't understand why people are so dismissive of other people's opinions and experience sometimes. Does nobody on this site have the ability to stop and be subjective for just a second?
I will say though that there is a definite arrogance that some people constantly display (NOT ALL!). I'm tired of hearing about how Kirby, Riccar, Aerus, Rainbow etc are THE BEST VACUUMS EVER MADE IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD BY ANYONE EVER BECAUSE THEY'RE AMERICAN. It ain't true - there are plenty of products (not just vacuums, all kinds of products) made all over the world that are incredibly high performing. And whilst vacuums made in the US may well be the best for use in American homes, it doesn't mean the same applies everywhere. America is not "the world" and there's a reason why half those brands aren't available outside of their home country.
Just a disclaimer, I'm not slating any US-made products. That would by highly hyporcritcal of me since the UK barely makes anything anymore. Plus, Dyson are British and I think they're a bag of crap. But the country of origin doesn't automatically determine the performance of the machine. Being American and expensive alone doesn't make a good product.
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It's a damn shame we don't produce vacs here in the UK that are every bit as good as in the US if not better because we are more than capable of it don't you think Chris?
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Of course! But equally, my point works both ways. A UK/European made vacuum might not be the best to use in a US home. Perfect for us, but maybe not in the states. So the fact that you've said "as good if not better" doesn't really apply. Better for who? Better for us? Perhaps, yes. Better for our friends in the US? Probably not. Unless you have a situation where a European cleaner is specifically designed for the US market, like the Miele S7. And they didn't sell very well here, despite being a good machine.
Homes in the US and homes in Europe are VERY different. Floortypes, size of the home, number of floors, number of people living in the home, pets, location. These are all factors that determine what vacuum will work well for someone. For example, the UK is a small country with a LOT of people in it. As a result, homes are much smaller here than in the US and built much closer together. It's only logical that smaller vacuums would be more popular here as they're easy to use around our smaller homes.
There is no "the best vacuum EVER" because what works for one person might not be what is required for another.
I don't understand why people are so dismissive of other people's opinions and experience sometimes. Does nobody on this site have the ability to stop and be subjective for just a second?
I will say though that there is a definite arrogance that some people constantly display (NOT ALL!). I'm tired of hearing about how Kirby, Riccar, Aerus, Rainbow etc are THE BEST VACUUMS EVER MADE IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD BY ANYONE EVER BECAUSE THEY'RE AMERICAN. It ain't true - there are plenty of products (not just vacuums, all kinds of products) made all over the world that are incredibly high performing. And whilst vacuums made in the US may well be the best for use in American homes, it doesn't mean the same applies everywhere. America is not "the world" and there's a reason why half those brands aren't available outside of their home country.
Just a disclaimer, I'm not slating any US-made products. That would by highly hyporcritcal of me since the UK barely makes anything anymore. Plus, Dyson are British and I think they're a bag of crap. But the country of origin doesn't automatically determine the performance of the machine. Being American and expensive alone doesn't make a good product.
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It's a damn shame we don't produce vacs here in the UK that are every bit as good as in the US if not better because we are more than capable of it don't you think Chris?
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Of course! But equally, my point works both ways. A UK/European made vacuum might not be the best to use in a US home. Perfect for us, but maybe not in the states. So the fact that you've said "as good if not better" doesn't really apply. Better for who? Better for us? Perhaps, yes. Better for our friends in the US? Probably not. Unless you have a situation where a European cleaner is specifically designed for the US market, like the Miele S7. And they didn't sell very well here, despite being a good machine.
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I agree Chris. Apart from your Dyson bag of crap claim. Did you forget they don't have a bag and they are certainly not crap
ralph123
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Given that April Fools is over, perhaps this thread should be deleted so as to avoid confusion?
turbo500
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Did you forget they don't have a bag and they are certainly not crap
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No and no. But that's a conversation I've had a million times before so I'm not going to waste my time doing it again.
Did you forget they don't have a bag and they are certainly not crap
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No and no. But that's a conversation I've had a million times before so I'm not going to waste my time doing it again.
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Oh really? "delete the thread"? So literally no one of this forum can have a joke because a certain few are so damn touchy about their precious Superior American built Kirbys"? Hahahah!
Numatic are a British company, British built. They are built in a part of the country with among the highest wages. Every screw, washer and pipe is built in that factory in Somerset which employs 1500 people and they sell throughout Europe and around the world. Numatic sell thousands more Henry and variants than kirbys, yet they cost around £100 ?
Oh of course. Sebos and Miele are all of a sudden so crap, so the White House, Buckingham palace, school, hotel and hospitals around the world shouldn't be using them I guess, I mean what do they know.
Of course Kirby and Dyson are not going to collaborate, they are two completely different companies with priorities focused on different aspects. #
I really like Dysons. I like Sebos, I am fond of Mieles and I respect why people like Kirbys, but genuine vacuum enthusiasts are diverse, it the same with car enthusiasts.
Numatic are a British company, British built. They are built in a part of the country with among the highest wages. Every screw, washer and pipe is built in that factory in Somerset which employs 1500 people and they sell throughout Europe and around the world. Numatic sell thousands more Henry and variants than kirbys, yet they cost around £100 ?
Oh of course. Sebos and Miele are all of a sudden so crap, so the White House, Buckingham palace, school, hotel and hospitals around the world shouldn't be using them I guess, I mean what do they know.
Of course Kirby and Dyson are not going to collaborate, they are two completely different companies with priorities focused on different aspects. #
I really like Dysons. I like Sebos, I am fond of Mieles and I respect why people like Kirbys, but genuine vacuum enthusiasts are diverse, it the same with car enthusiasts.
Plus, Dyson are British and I think they're a bag of cra
What? Can you elaborate on that? Just because they won't work for you does NOT mean that they are 'a bag of crap' in everyone's eyes. Most people I know with Dysons actually love them. They do deep clean, but pretty well for a clean air. Besides, non collectors wont care as long as a vacuum picks up the crap.
What? Can you elaborate on that? Just because they won't work for you does NOT mean that they are 'a bag of crap' in everyone's eyes. Most people I know with Dysons actually love them. They do deep clean, but pretty well for a clean air. Besides, non collectors wont care as long as a vacuum picks up the crap.
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Well said Oliver. He's good this guy
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Chris I think you're an old wind bag! Haha
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Can you elaborate on that?
Do I have to? I've been doing it for years, do you really need me to go there again?
But fine. Clearly you weren't listening the first 500,000 times I said this, so here you go.
<span style="text-decoration: underline;">Overpriced
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I object to paying high prices for a cheaply made heap of creaking plastic when I can get a much sturdier built machine with a more quality motor in it for much less.
<span style="text-decoration: underline;">Poorly constructed</span>
Creaky plastic, plastic catches that break, tools that fall off, handles that snap. And these things are retailing at over £300? Get outa here!
<span style="text-decoration: underline;">Average performers</span>
It took Dyson 21 years to finally figure out the imporance of the brushroll in an upright vacuum.
<span style="text-decoration: underline;">messy to empty and maintain</span>
especially when compared with a bagged cleaner. The inevitable dust cloud and the washing of the filters. Ew. Messy, dirty. I much prefer to just throw the bag in the bin and not have to handle all that dirt. But having said that, this applies to all bagless cleaners, not just Dyson. Still, it's a factor into why I think they're crap.
<span style="text-decoration: underline;">Overly faffy</span>
especially converting from upright to tools. Everything has a switch or a lock or a spring or something to hold everything in place. Why? We managed for years just pulling a hose cuff out of a hose and frankly, it was a lot quicker and made things much easier, especially for quick pickups.
<span style="text-decoration: underline;">Cleaning span is too limited</span>
Two words - low furniture.
<span style="text-decoration: underline;">Fraudulant claims by the company
</span>First cyclonic vacuum? First filterless vacuum? No loss of suction?
I know that these are rubbish. It doesn't encourage me to want to invest my hard earned money on a product from a company who make such false claims.
Do I have to? I've been doing it for years, do you really need me to go there again?
But fine. Clearly you weren't listening the first 500,000 times I said this, so here you go.
<span style="text-decoration: underline;">Overpriced
</span>
I object to paying high prices for a cheaply made heap of creaking plastic when I can get a much sturdier built machine with a more quality motor in it for much less.
<span style="text-decoration: underline;">Poorly constructed</span>
Creaky plastic, plastic catches that break, tools that fall off, handles that snap. And these things are retailing at over £300? Get outa here!
<span style="text-decoration: underline;">Average performers</span>
It took Dyson 21 years to finally figure out the imporance of the brushroll in an upright vacuum.
<span style="text-decoration: underline;">messy to empty and maintain</span>
especially when compared with a bagged cleaner. The inevitable dust cloud and the washing of the filters. Ew. Messy, dirty. I much prefer to just throw the bag in the bin and not have to handle all that dirt. But having said that, this applies to all bagless cleaners, not just Dyson. Still, it's a factor into why I think they're crap.
<span style="text-decoration: underline;">Overly faffy</span>
especially converting from upright to tools. Everything has a switch or a lock or a spring or something to hold everything in place. Why? We managed for years just pulling a hose cuff out of a hose and frankly, it was a lot quicker and made things much easier, especially for quick pickups.
<span style="text-decoration: underline;">Cleaning span is too limited</span>
Two words - low furniture.
<span style="text-decoration: underline;">Fraudulant claims by the company
</span>First cyclonic vacuum? First filterless vacuum? No loss of suction?
I know that these are rubbish. It doesn't encourage me to want to invest my hard earned money on a product from a company who make such false claims.
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Chris is back with his usual twaddle.
I've missed you so much :-*
I've missed you so much :-*
