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Do I have to? I've been doing it for years, do you really need me to go there again? DO I HAVE TO REMIND YOU ABOUT MY COMEBACKS I HAVE BEEN DOING FOR AGES WHEN YOU WERE AGAINST DYSON?

But fine. Clearly you weren't listening the first 500,000 times I said this, so here you go. I WAS LISTENING.

Overpriced
I object to paying high prices for a cheaply made heap of creaking plastic when I can get a much sturdier built machine with a more quality motor in it for much less.
OVERPRICED? THEY WERE LIKE £200 BACK IN THE DAY, BUT SINCE THE UK MONEY VALUES HAVE INCREASED OR SOMETHING, DYSON HAVE NOT GONE MUCH EXPENSIVE. ALSO LOOK AT THE HENRY, FROM £79 TO £110.
ALSO,DYSON MOTORS ARE QUALITY. HOW MANY DC15+ MODELS HAVE YOU SEEN WITH BLOWN MOTORS? ALSO, ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY YOU CAN GET A BAGLESS MACHINE IN BETTER WUALTY THAN A DYSON? I HOPE NOT, DYSON IS THE BEST BAGLESS YOU CAN BUY. AS FOR BAGGED, THERES NOT MANY OPTIONS THAT ARE CHEAPER APART FROM A CREAKING CHINESE PUREPOWER, A HENRY (CYLNDER STRAIGHT SUCTION VAC) AND A PANASONIC BAGGED BUDGET UPRIGHT? REALLY CHRIS? THEY ALSO OFFER A 5 YEAR GUARANTEE WITH MUCH BETTER QULITY OF TOOLS AND ALL THAT THEY OFFER IN COMPARISON TO OTHER BRANDS, E.G VAX

Poorly constructed
NO, THEY ARE BUILT TO LAST. THEY ARE MADE FLEXIBLE FOR A REASON. THEY USED TO BE SOLID, BUT PLASTIC SNAPPED ETC AND THAT IS WHY THEY CHANGED TO A MUCH MORE QUALITY PLASTIC. YOU WON'T SEE MANY OF THE DYSON'S BROKEN PHYSICALLY DUE TO THIS.
Creaky plastic, plastic catches that break, tools that fall off, handles that snap. And these things are retailing at over £300? Get outa here!
Average performers

It took Dyson 21 years to finally figure out the imporance of the brushroll in an upright vacuum.
WELL THEY HAVE BEEN INNOVATING AND IMPROVING OTHER THINGS ABOUT VACUUMS. MEANWHILE, DYSON LISTENS TO THE CUSTOMERS WHICH AIN'T COLLECTORS. HOW MANY COMPLIAN ABOUT THE PERFORMANCE? NONE, COS BRITS OWN THIN PILE CARPETS, AND DON'T CARE ABOUT DEEP CLEANERS. HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THE UK WERE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE PERFORMANCE OF THE BRUSHBARS? THE HELIX BRUSHBARS WERE GOOD ENOUGH FOR THE AVERAGE BRITISH PERSON IN THEIR OWN HOME
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messy to empty and maintain
THE RELEASE BUTTON IS AT THE TOP OF THE HANDLE COMPARED TO OTHER BAGLESS VACS WITH THE RELEASE CATCH AT THE BOTTOM, RIGHT WHERE THE DIRT FALLS OUT ALSO DO IT OUTSIDE. OR IN A PLASTIC CARRIER BAG

especially when compared with a bagged cleaner. The inevitable dust cloud and the washing of the filters. Ew. Messy, dirty. I much prefer to just throw the bag in the bin and not have to handle all that dirt. But having said that, this applies to all bagless cleaners, not just Dyson. Still, it's a factor into why I think they're crap. HOW MANY BAGGED MACHINES ARE THERE ON THE MARKET TODAY? HOW MANY PEOPLE STILL USE BAGGED VACUUMS BESIDES HENRY'S IN THE UK? EVEN WHEN YOU TAKE THE BAG OUT THER'ES A POOF OF DUST, SO YOU NEED TO CLEAN OUT THE BAG COMPARTMENT, SO I WOULD RATHER EMPTY A DYSON

Overly faffy - HOW? OTHER VACUUMS REQUIRE HOSE ASSEMBLY, BUT DYSON HAS THE WAND WITH HOSE READY TO USE WITHIN A BLINK OF AN EYE

especially converting from upright to tools. Everything has a switch or a lock or a spring or something to hold everything in place. Why? We managed for years just pulling a hose cuff out of a hose and frankly, it was a lot quicker and made things much easier, especially for quick pickups.
ITS QUICKER TO RELEASE A CATCH AND HAVE THE HOSE AND WAND READY, NOT PULL THE HOSE OUT BY BENDING DOWN TO GRAB IT, THE PULL THE TUBES OUT, FIT THEM ONTO THE HOSE AND THEN USE IT, WHEREAS THE MESS WOULD HAVE BEEN GONE BY THEN IF IT WERE A DYSON UPRIGHT

Cleaning span is too limited

LONG HOSE, REASONABLY SIZED HEAD, LOTS OF TOOLS AND ON BOARD, BALL MACHINES, A WAND AND A LONG CABLE

Two words - low furniture.
WHAT ABOUT OTHER BAGLESS UPRIGHTS? EXCEPT THE VAX MACH AIR, BUT EVEN THE DYSON BALL CAN HAVE THE HEAD FIT UNDER LOW FURNITURE, AND THERES THE DIGITAL SLIM, AND PEOPLE STILL USE THE DC03 TODAY. THATS THE QUALITY

Fraudulant claims by the company
LIKE WHAT? NO LOSS OF SUCTION IS TRUE.

First cyclonic vacuum? First filterless vacuum? No loss of suction?

I know that these are rubbish. It doesn't encourage me to want to invest my hard earned money on a product from a company who make such false claims.
WELL EXPLAIN WHY PEOPLE ARE MUCH HAPPIER WITH THEIR NEW SHINY DYSON OR THEIR OLD DUSTY DYSON COMPARED TO THEIR OLD VACUUMS? MOST RECOMMEND THEIR DYSON OVER ANOTHER BRAND. THEY JUST WORK BETTER. AND NOT LIKE COLLECTORS, PEOPLE DONT CARE. OVERALL DYSON MAKE GREAT MACHINES.

#######**** I thought you liked the DC40 btw? you said the performance was much better....#######**********
 
I can't believe I'm having this conversation yet again, but nevermind.


 


"OVERPRICED? THEY WERE LIKE £200 BACK IN THE DAY"


 


£200 in 1993 was the equivilant of £369.87 when adjusted for inflation. Still overpriced.

Numatic, Miele, Sebo and Panasonic all offer more solid machines at lower prices.


"HOW MANY BAGGED MACHINES ARE THERE ON THE MARKET TODAY? HOW MANY PEOPLE STILL USE BAGGED VACUUMS BESIDES HENRY'S IN THE UK?"


 


Bagged cylinder vacuums are still the biggest selling vacuum type worldwide. We've had data posted on the forum to show this.


 


"EVEN WHEN YOU TAKE THE BAG OUT THER'ES A POOF OF DUST, SO YOU NEED TO CLEAN OUT THE BAG COMPARTMENT, SO I WOULD RATHER EMPTY A DYSON"



Not true, especially considering that almost all bagged cleaners now have some sort of sealing system for when you remove the bag. My Sebo is 5 years old this year, there's not a spec of dust on the inside of the bag housing and I have never had to clean it out. And the same applies to Miele with their high quality bags.


"HOW? OTHER VACUUMS REQUIRE HOSE ASSEMBLY, BUT DYSON HAS THE WAND WITH HOSE READY TO USE WITHIN A BLINK OF AN EYE"



No. To release the hose, you have to stop what you're doing and dismantle the handle of the vacuum. Lets say you're vacuuming in upright mode and spot something on a skirting board or sofa that just needs the hose. You'd have to completely stop what you're doing. Look at old Panasonic 40 series, Lux Contours and right through to modern Sebo X series and Miele S7's. You don't even have to put the machine in the upright position to access the hose. Makes things much quicker and easier.

"WHAT ABOUT OTHER BAGLESS UPRIGHTS? EXCEPT THE VAX MACH AIR, BUT EVEN THE DYSON BALL CAN HAVE THE HEAD FIT UNDER LOW FURNITURE, AND THERES THE DIGITAL SLIM, AND PEOPLE STILL USE THE DC03 TODAY. THATS THE QUALITY"



Pretty much ALL other uprights on the market will lay as flat as they can and go at least under a bed. Not possible with the Dyson floating head or ball design. The digital slim is not an adequate replacement for a mains powered upright. It doesn't generate enough suction or agitate the carpet enough to even come close to that performance.

"LIKE WHAT? NO LOSS OF SUCTION IS TRUE."


 


James Dyson didn't invent the first cyclonic vacuum or the first filterless vacuum and the no loss of suction claim is dependant on maintenace of the filters, a disclaimer which Dyson fail to mention in their advertising. And before you say it, I KNOW this doesn't factor into the cinnetic, but that's only 2 models out of 21 years worth of advertising as NLOS.


"WELL EXPLAIN WHY PEOPLE ARE MUCH HAPPIER WITH THEIR NEW SHINY DYSON OR THEIR OLD DUSTY DYSON COMPARED TO THEIR OLD VACUUMS? MOST RECOMMEND THEIR DYSON OVER ANOTHER BRAND. THEY JUST WORK BETTER. AND NOT LIKE COLLECTORS, PEOPLE DONT CARE. OVERALL DYSON MAKE GREAT MACHINES."


 


That's the power of clever marketing. Dyson created a problem for people that never existed. The early advertising about clogging bags and the like planted a tiny seed of doubt in the public's mind and grew and grew. In all fairness, that's what a good advertising campaign should do, but ultimately the cyclonic/bagless aspect was just a gimmick. The DC01 and DC03 was useless uprights. Piss poor suction, crap brushroll's. Just about everything on the market at the time would out-clean it. However, the bagless aspect captured people's imagination. Couple that with the fact that people see all that dust spinning around, it's essentially brain washing people into thinking that lots of dirt is being picked up. When in actual fact, it's not. It just looks like more because it's being spun through the air at high speed.


 


Incidentally, if you sign up to any of the major opinion forums online and read what's going on in the world, more and more people are switching from Dyson's and other bagless vacuums back to bags, and Numatic continue to out-sell Dyson year after year.


 


"#######**** I thought you liked the DC40 btw? you said the performance was much better....#######********** "


 


Is there a point to the hashes and asterix's here or are you just having a melt down?


 


I do think the performance was better and has continued to get better. But there are still too many aspects of the cleaner I don't like, as detailed above, and the build quality was worse than ever before.


 


Tayyab, why do you feel the need to challenge me on this constantly? You know my opinion on Dyson, god knows I've voiced it enough. I'm not trying to get you to not like them. Whether you like them or not is really not my concern. I honestly don't care if you love them or loathe them. But just because you don't agree with me is not going to change my mind. I don't dislike Dyson for no reason. I didn't just wake up one morning and decide I didn't like them. I've spent a lot of time and effort forming the opinions I have and whether you agree or not, I'm not going to change that just because you say so.
 
No, its just because you said that you think Dysons are a bag of crap, in which they are not. Think about it, they are pretty good machines, but just that they have had brushbars not as effective as Hoovers, but they are good enough for the carpets that people in the UK have. They would have made them even powerful, but people were complaining about the DC07 being too powerful, for example. They work on the design now as well as the performance.
There's no need to make horrendous claims about Dyson, but fair enough if you don't like them, insteadof saying that they are bags of rubbish, you could just say they are not your cup of tea for example.
 
There's no need to make horrendous claims about Dyson, but fair enough if you don't like them, insteadof saying that they are bags of rubbish, you could just say they are not your cup of tea for example.
 
"Tayyab, why do you feel the need to challenge me on this constantly?"

There's no need to emphasise your hate for Dyson to a point that people who like them see that and be like "that's a load of bull". Are you even trying to start a debate? Also, when I made that Dyson carpet washing thread, you tried to challenge me. You went from health hazards to things like the loss of a meal, or work being lost caused by a tripped breaker. Then I had a comeback for that, and then you jumped to conclusions by saying "Maybe 240v of electricity will zap some sense into you" and I remember that. People remember things, Chris, and there was no benefit in that. What are you gonna get apart from bickering when you don't expect it? Then you wonder why it's a Cyber WW III.
If people just keep their immature comments to themselves and just say it in a more sensitive way, there would be a much nicer environment soically and it would just be better.
Come on, I'm not even an adult and I know this, do I have to remind adults about this? REALLY?!?! Many younger people look up to the elder members and this is the example set?
 
Actually, Tayyab, if you re-read my post, I stated "I think Dyson are a bag of crap". I did not say they ARE. That's my opinion and I reached that opinion in a fairly honest and valid way. I made that statement so that my post didn't sound like I was slating US made vacuums and singing the praises of UK/European machines. I used Dyson as just 1 example of a popular European brand that I'm not fond of, you were the one that jumped on it and missed the point of the post entirely.

My post was making the point that people should consider that different machines suit different people. I'm fully aware that many people like Dyson cleaners and that's great. But I dont. Reasons presented above, as requested.

By the way, the zap some sense into you comment was because I thought what you were doing was incredibly dangerous, stupid and potentialy selfish with no regard for your safety or the other people in your house. It had nothing to do what vacuum you like or don't like.

I suggest you read what people actually say instead of just pulling out the pieces you want to hear.
 
"I think Dyson are a bag of crap"
You could have still said in a nicer way

By the way, the zap some sense into you comment was because I thought what you were doing was incredibly dangerous, stupid and potentialy selfish with no regard for your safety or the other people in your house. It had nothing to do what vacuum you like or don't like.
I know that, but it was about me, not the vacuum. You could of been nicer, but were you? No. I suggest you actually be nicer to people, especially people you don't know because how do you know they are not suffering outside of vacuumland? There could be various things such as being bullied, family issues, depression, suicidal thoughts and the list goes on...

I suggest you read what people actually say instead of just pulling out the pieces you want to hear.
Well I am talking about the bits that I thought was immature to say.

Why do I have to tell you this? You know better
 
Tayyab, why should I be nice and pleasent and patient with you when you consistently bring up the same conversations over and over again, form opinions based on hearsay and not actual fact or experience and fill the forum up with junk posts?

Quite frankly, your personal problems are no concern of mine. If whatever you're dealing with dictates that you shouldn't be here, then go and sort yourself out. Lord knows I had to.

I may be sharp with my tongue but that's nothing knew. Sometimes, the only way to get a point across is to be blunt about it.
 
You know, this isn't the time or the place to have that conversation. If you have a problem with me, you need to message me about it and not broadcast it all over the forum.
 
What's that got to do with it? It is exactly what happened on Vacuumland. You know it happened, are you afraid other people are gonna find out what happened or something?
Besides, I never said I have a problem with you, but it's just a suggestion.
Also, what this to do with "time"?
 
Afraid? Of what? Everything I've ever said is in black and white for everyone to see in the archives if they so desire. I have nothing to hide.

"This isn't the time or the place". It's an expression, look it up.

Like I said, if you have a problem with anything I've said, you need to bring it it with me, not the whole forum.
 
Kiss and make up? Why, who's fallen out with who?

No making up needing to be done here, I don't think any less of Tayyab than I did before. I'm just mildly annoyed that he decided to delve into a conversation that we've had a thousand times before.
 
Afraid? Of what? Everything I've ever said is in black and white for everyone to see in the archives if they so desire. I have nothing to hide.
The Dyson carpet washing thread has been DELETED.

"This isn't the time or the place". It's an expression, look it up.
Yes, I have heard of it before, but using it in this situation makes no sense.

Like I said, if you have a problem with anything I've said, you need to bring it it with me, not the whole forum.
No, I would rather not, I never said I have a problem with you, and if I did, I doubt I would be the only one. It's just the stuff on VL, not that we are linked outside of VL anyways!!!

Mark: NO BLOODY WAY. I'm Heteroman
 
It made perfect sense. This ISN'T the right time or place, ie this moment in time in this thread is not an appropriate moment or location to get into that kind of conversation.
 
You still never referred to what I said previously

Am I talking in Japanese or something?

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IF. YOU. HAVE. AN. ISSUE. YOU. NEED. TO. BRING. IT. UP. WITH. ME. AND. NOT. ALL. OVER. THE. FORUM.
 

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