Dyson Radial Root Cyclone Doesn't Work Very Well!
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alexhoovers94
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I agree that if you want a bagless, Dyson do it best, but I think that the Dual Cyclone was quite efficient and I don't think that "improving" it with a lot more cyclones has made it any more efficient than the Dual Cyclone its self.
alexhoovers94
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That is due to how powerful the motor is, Tayyab, not the cyclone assembly.
manchestervacs
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Quote Marcus: in fact I think I should start a website for dyson lovers 
We did that already.
I must admit, I am no fan of the 40/41/50 though. The DC07/14 are capable machines. From there it started going downhill. The 40 has design faults more serious than a leaky filter flange.
We did that already.
I must admit, I am no fan of the 40/41/50 though. The DC07/14 are capable machines. From there it started going downhill. The 40 has design faults more serious than a leaky filter flange.
kirbylux77
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Wow! Amazing all the squabbling & bickering over Dyson! Well, one thing for sure....Dyson screwed up the technology instead on the latest Ball models. Call me crazy, but I think I'll stick to my Miele & other vacuums that use HEPA Cloth bags & just throw them out instead. Much simpler & works much better at filtering than any Dyson.
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Can't say I've noticed any serious flaws but what I have noticed is how clean my carpets are
sptyks
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You guys don't get it...
The Dyson Ball design will always be plagued with problems. Mr. Dyson knows this. If the new Big Ball were perfect, then Mr. Dyson would have nowhere to go. He would have nothing to reinvent. That's why his marketing schemes are full of lies. His commercials state that the Cinetic has no filters and that the cyclones never clog. That's a lie. It has been proven that they are indeed capable of clogging.
I know that the bag in my Kirby will eventually fill up and need to be replaced approximately twice a year (it's a very large bag). No big deal. I just pull it out, drop it in the trash and pop in a new bag. Takes about 2 minutes twice a year. No filters to wash or replace or worry about. EVER!
The Dyson Ball design will always be plagued with problems. Mr. Dyson knows this. If the new Big Ball were perfect, then Mr. Dyson would have nowhere to go. He would have nothing to reinvent. That's why his marketing schemes are full of lies. His commercials state that the Cinetic has no filters and that the cyclones never clog. That's a lie. It has been proven that they are indeed capable of clogging.
I know that the bag in my Kirby will eventually fill up and need to be replaced approximately twice a year (it's a very large bag). No big deal. I just pull it out, drop it in the trash and pop in a new bag. Takes about 2 minutes twice a year. No filters to wash or replace or worry about. EVER!
alexhoovers94
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Can you whip the hose and wand out on your Kirby to be ready for use in 2 seconds?
Does it operate quietly?
Does it have high filtration levels?
No, the answer to three simple questions that the modern consumer wants!
I wish Kirby would move forward and stop churning out the same old, same old.
Does it operate quietly?
Does it have high filtration levels?
No, the answer to three simple questions that the modern consumer wants!
I wish Kirby would move forward and stop churning out the same old, same old.
sptyks
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Not all true. I have a Heratige II Legend that is super quiet. Makes much less noise than any high pitched whiney bagless vacuum I've ever heard.
The bags are made of a high quality HEPA cloth material that filters down to 1 micron, as good or better than any bagless vacuum.
The Kirby"G" series is over 20 years old because it is such a good design. FACT: No one has come up with a design that cleans carpet any better than a "G" series Kirby. I have a Sentria and it is a beast when it comes down to cleaning carpet!
The bags are made of a high quality HEPA cloth material that filters down to 1 micron, as good or better than any bagless vacuum.
The Kirby"G" series is over 20 years old because it is such a good design. FACT: No one has come up with a design that cleans carpet any better than a "G" series Kirby. I have a Sentria and it is a beast when it comes down to cleaning carpet!
alexhoovers94
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Nobody cares about carpet cleaning anymore, they just want a do it all quick vacuum, and a Kirby is not that.
The G series is old now, and they need to make something that people want to by, people who buy Kirby's are forced into buying them. Some people want them but most people don't want the hassle.
They want something quick, light and easy to use.
The G series is old now, and they need to make something that people want to by, people who buy Kirby's are forced into buying them. Some people want them but most people don't want the hassle.
They want something quick, light and easy to use.
sebo_fan
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Nobody cares about carpet cleaning any more
Well, most owners don't. That's the harsh reality. Infact well before bagless vacs came on the market and when cheaper brands used to exist outside the realm of Hoover, Electrolux etc, most owners failed to change the dust bag until it was too late.
Which is different for most collectors who would rather either used a prized modern day daily driver or something vintage, because we can!!
I dare say though that it won't be long until everyone who doesn't give a fig about a vacuum cleaner will go down the robotic route because, quite frankly in this day and age every home should really have a robotic vacuum cleaner by now. They're not all that expensive after all.
Well, most owners don't. That's the harsh reality. Infact well before bagless vacs came on the market and when cheaper brands used to exist outside the realm of Hoover, Electrolux etc, most owners failed to change the dust bag until it was too late.
Which is different for most collectors who would rather either used a prized modern day daily driver or something vintage, because we can!!
I dare say though that it won't be long until everyone who doesn't give a fig about a vacuum cleaner will go down the robotic route because, quite frankly in this day and age every home should really have a robotic vacuum cleaner by now. They're not all that expensive after all.
sptyks
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But Nar, please excuse me. I have never seen a robotic vacuum except in Walmart on a shelf. So, how well do robotic cleaners clean plush carpets? How much suction do they have?
sebo_fan
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Never seen a robotic disc on a shelf in Walmart? Oh my goodness. That surprises me given that you can get almost any kind of machine in the states.
I have no idea how robotic vacuums clean carpets in general BUT I have seen them in use in other homes. To my eyes they seem to leave carpets looking clean enough and do the job as designed.
As for air watts? We all know its a Dyson fad word. But to keep you entertained, here we go - info taken online.
For a cordless vacuum I would expect pretty low - lower than any mains corded dirty vacumm or clean air vacuum infact.
From what I read online some brands like Neato and Roomba robotic discs offer 30 Air watts. Miele's Scout RX offers 22 Air Watts.
The Bosch Athlet cordless stick vacuum released last year in Europe offers 40 Air watts.
The Vax Cordless Air offers 21 Air Watts (same as Hoover Air Cordless)
Dyson Hand Held DC35 60 Air Watts
Suction, Im sure you will agree is not the be all and end all.
Having had the Bosch Athlet for a short time, I was impressed with its power, but the pick up on the Vax Cordless Air is better as a cordless upright vacuum in my experience - based solely on its triple dust channel Windtunnel design. Suction through the hose is minimal, which is probably how its low air watts test was conducted.
Plus, lets face it - whilst robotic vacuums for the moment exist in cordless discs for the moment, it won't be that long that other designs may well start to come onto the market.
My point is, that we should be having lots of different robotic vacuums NOW.
When you consider that electric cars have been around since 1995/7, technology may well be moving fast in most things, but not everything.
I have no idea how robotic vacuums clean carpets in general BUT I have seen them in use in other homes. To my eyes they seem to leave carpets looking clean enough and do the job as designed.
As for air watts? We all know its a Dyson fad word. But to keep you entertained, here we go - info taken online.
For a cordless vacuum I would expect pretty low - lower than any mains corded dirty vacumm or clean air vacuum infact.
From what I read online some brands like Neato and Roomba robotic discs offer 30 Air watts. Miele's Scout RX offers 22 Air Watts.
The Bosch Athlet cordless stick vacuum released last year in Europe offers 40 Air watts.
The Vax Cordless Air offers 21 Air Watts (same as Hoover Air Cordless)
Dyson Hand Held DC35 60 Air Watts
Suction, Im sure you will agree is not the be all and end all.
Having had the Bosch Athlet for a short time, I was impressed with its power, but the pick up on the Vax Cordless Air is better as a cordless upright vacuum in my experience - based solely on its triple dust channel Windtunnel design. Suction through the hose is minimal, which is probably how its low air watts test was conducted.
Plus, lets face it - whilst robotic vacuums for the moment exist in cordless discs for the moment, it won't be that long that other designs may well start to come onto the market.
My point is, that we should be having lots of different robotic vacuums NOW.
When you consider that electric cars have been around since 1995/7, technology may well be moving fast in most things, but not everything.
sebo_fan
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Also, look at the fact that we can now cook on induction hob as opposed to older radiant or ceramic or halogen, where induction is also claimed to be more energy efficient and faster.
sptyks
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I HAVE seen the robotic cleaners at Walmart but never seen one in use except in a commercial on TV.
Without seeing one in use and in person I find it hard to believe that it can remove ground- in dirt on a thick plush carpet where I believe you would need a powerful upright vacuum. I picture the Roomba or similar device to be useful for picking up dust and debris like cereal from hard floors and low pile glued down carpet found in commercial environments.
Without seeing one in use and in person I find it hard to believe that it can remove ground- in dirt on a thick plush carpet where I believe you would need a powerful upright vacuum. I picture the Roomba or similar device to be useful for picking up dust and debris like cereal from hard floors and low pile glued down carpet found in commercial environments.
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