Dyson Piston

[Vacuum Facts]

Back on topic for the first time in a LONG while with all the trolling...

This came out yesterday. It's all true. However, there's a lot more to this story than they're telling you in a 2 minute promo—including some warts from their ground up redesign. I've not yet seen a single review that doesn't add unnecessary and petty criticism (whining, really) about trivial non-issues that don't really show up in real-world usage, distinct from their unevidenced vague anecdotes. Yet those reviews completely miss the important and valid sources of criticism—and most importantly of all: in detail with clear objective evidence. Most reviews only want your clicks though for self gain...

There are so many details that aren't in the promo about the subtle design features of the head that allow hair to successfully release from the agitator into the airflow. Of course, no one has talked about any of it in detail in the scam reviews, but I'll go into them in my review.

 

[centralsweeper63]

So, everyone except you is whining?

 

[herbicide]

Where 'petty criticism'

Back on topic for the first time in a LONG while with all the trolling...

This came out yesterday. It's all true. However, there's a lot more to this story than they're telling you in a 2 minute promo—including some warts from their ground up redesign. I've not yet seen a single review that doesn't add unnecessary and petty criticism (whining, really) about trivial non-issues that don't really show up in real-world usage, distinct from their unevidenced vague anecdotes. Yet those reviews completely miss the important and valid sources of criticism—and most importantly of all: in detail with clear objective evidence. Most reviews only want your clicks though for self gain...

There are so many details that aren't in the promo about the subtle design features of the head that allow hair to successfully release from the agitator into the airflow. Of course, no one has talked about any of it in detail in the scam reviews, but I'll go into them in my review.

Show us this statistically significant data on real-world usage.

 

[herbicide]

So, everyone except you is whining?

Don't forget we're all a bunch of ignorant whining trolls.

 

[cheesewonton]

Yep, the DC41 was bad for clamping and why the later light ball introduced the bleed relief gates to increase airflow. These transferred over to the cordless, although this is a bit wasteful. There's a great story to tell about where the technology is going (see my eventual V16 review). The US animal 3, which is the equivalent to the final UK mains machine, does get the gates. It's amazing how energetically wasteful the mains machines are nowadays The V16 has shown that in real-world mess conditions (distinct from exaggerated building site-like testing from weak sources), you can now get mains performance with just ~138 W, including the 100 W head on carpet.

Bleed gates. Pretty much what Panasonic had on their Plush Pro power nozzle with their MC-CG957 canister in 2014 and with the Kenmore Elite 700 Series canister vacuum that same year. The same design carries on today as the Kenmore Ultra Plush Nozzle and the Cen-Tec Systems CT-25QD. it is also sold with the Titan T9500 canister model. If you have ever used one you know this is one of the all time great power nozzles and does exactly what Panasonic claims on deep pile plush carpets.

 

[centralsweeper63]

Iwish we got those in NZ.

 

[Absolute Rainbow]

Back on topic for the first time in a LONG while with all the trolling...

This came out yesterday. It's all true. However, there's a lot more to this story than they're telling you in a 2 minute promo—including some warts from their ground up redesign. I've not yet seen a single review that doesn't add unnecessary and petty criticism (whining, really) about trivial non-issues that don't really show up in real-world usage, distinct from their unevidenced vague anecdotes. Yet those reviews completely miss the important and valid sources of criticism—and most importantly of all: in detail with clear objective evidence. Most reviews only want your clicks though for self gain...

There are so many details that aren't in the promo about the subtle design features of the head that allow hair to successfully release from the agitator into the airflow. Of course, no one has talked about any of it in detail in the scam reviews, but I'll go into them in my review.

Cool.

 

[centralsweeper63]

How do you mean?

 

[Absolute Rainbow]

How do you mean?

Cool take. However...
1) Based on my human-corrected Gemini 2.5 Pro usage (corrected in the first place because AI can be wrong), and taking advantage of @Vacuum Facts' lecture, I came up with a possible fix: cover the data pins with small piece of non-conductive tape, leaving only the power pins exposed. Which would prevent the machine from reading so much of the new dual-cones floorhead, preventing any performance loss and keeping its power.
2) Basically, the dual-cones floorhead works like the hair screw tool and PencilVac's gliding head mixed in.
3) Dyson is trying to balance between scientific facts that VF champions and brevity for as many people as possible to understand. Kinda like how I see things when it comes to vacuum cleaners.

 

[centralsweeper63]

Oh, your message came up as "`cool.".

 

[herbicide]

Cool take. However...
1) Based on my human-corrected Gemini 2.5 Pro usage (corrected in the first place because AI can be wrong), and taking advantage of @Vacuum Facts' lecture, I came up with a possible fix: cover the data pins with small piece of non-conductive tape, leaving only the power pins exposed. Which would prevent the machine from reading so much of the new dual-cones floorhead, preventing any performance loss and keeping its power.
2) Basically, the dual-cones floorhead works like the hair screw tool and PencilVac's gliding head mixed in.
3) Dyson is trying to balance between scientific facts that VF champions and brevity for as many people as possible to understand. Kinda like how I see things when it comes to vacuum cleaners.

Why do you think (claim) VF is a champion scientific facts? Just because he posts charts* and data, doesn't make his opinions facts or his tests scientific. I hope you can see that he has a double standard, that he practices the exact same thing he condemns others for doing.

*while a lot of these are factually correct, there is also plenty of misunderstanding of the physical laws, or his own incorrect extrapolation of the actual science. An example: In his "lecture" many of his charts, graphs, etc reference arbitrary units.

Any chart/graph that shows "arbitrary units" is meaningless at best and purposely deceptive or manipulative at worst. Science relies wholly on measurement, and arbitrary units have no place in science. The very meaning (definition) of "arbitrary:"

Arbitrary: chosen, decided, etc. seemingly at random or on a whim rather than in a reasoned or methodical way

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/arbitrary

 

[Absolute Rainbow]

Oh, your message came up as "`cool.".

Screenshot?

 

[centralsweeper63]

Photos. (sorry for the reflection, I can't figure out screenshots. I am on my nana's computer)

 

[cheesewonton]

Cool take. However...
1) Based on my human-corrected Gemini 2.5 Pro usage (corrected in the first place because AI can be wrong), and taking advantage of @Vacuum Facts' lecture, I came up with a possible fix: cover the data pins with small piece of non-conductive tape, leaving only the power pins exposed. Which would prevent the machine from reading so much of the new dual-cones floorhead, preventing any performance loss and keeping its power.
2) Basically, the dual-cones floorhead works like the hair screw tool and PencilVac's gliding head mixed in.
3) Dyson is trying to balance between scientific facts that VF champions and brevity for as many people as possible to understand. Kinda like how I see things when it comes to vacuum cleaners.

Panasonic has power nozzles with conical brush rolls that accomplish exactly what this Dyson claims to accomplish without the electronic complexity.

https://www.panasonic.com/my/consum...ner/handheld-vacuum-cleaner/mc-sb85kh047.html

 

[centralsweeper63]

I have seen a v16 in person, the brushbars had piles and piles of dust behind them as a store model after a couple of weeks.

 

[herbicide]

I have seen a v16 in person, the brushbars had piles and piles of dust behind them as a store model after a couple of weeks.

Not convincing. statistically significant, where is your evidence, not real-world, operated by charletons, etc etc

 

[Absolute Rainbow]

Panasonic has power nozzles with conical brush rolls that accomplish exactly what this Dyson claims to accomplish without the electronic complexity.

https://www.panasonic.com/my/consum...ner/handheld-vacuum-cleaner/mc-sb85kh047.html

This.

 

[centralsweeper63]

Product development probably started on each at a similar time and it was just a coincidence.