CUSTOMERS LOVE THE BAGLESS KIRBY CONVERSION
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Your welcome vintagehoover! 
I just thought of another question. Does the bagless conversion have something to seal the opening between the cup and the Kirby?
I too would like to see this pre-G series self-propelled Kirby of his.
I just thought of another question. Does the bagless conversion have something to seal the opening between the cup and the Kirby?
I too would like to see this pre-G series self-propelled Kirby of his.
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Fred and Kyle...
I too, would like to see some pictures! I remember seeing a Heritage II or maybe a Heritage on eBay, the seller was stating it was "self propelled", I just simply thought they were on crack! LOL
~Alex
I too, would like to see some pictures! I remember seeing a Heritage II or maybe a Heritage on eBay, the seller was stating it was "self propelled", I just simply thought they were on crack! LOL
~Alex
CUSTOMERS LOVE THE BAGLESS CONVERSION
In reference to the (first self propelled Kirby). I do have pictures and the old VDTA news articles with my adds in them. It will take some time and work to dig them up, but I will post them as soon as I can. These units sold for $895.00 at that time. The first article appeared in the December issue 1984 VDTA. We introduced the KEELER self propelled Kirby vacuums and the self propelled kit at the VDTA convention in New Orleans in 1983 or 1984, I can't remember which year, it's been a long time. I also have pictures of the self propelled Bison and a Kirby style shampooer that I made and sold with the Bison. We had gold powder coated painted Bison prototype that we were going to call ( THE GOLD MAX ). I also have made a counter rotating brush roll shampooer for the older Kirbys, these never went into production. Most of the self propelled Bisons were sold in St. Pete Florida, that was the sales headquarters of Bison at that time. The self propelled Kirbys were sold all over the country. I hope you find this info interesting, as collectors an old self propelled KEELER Kirby would be quite a find. A self propelled BISON even more rare. Thanks for your interest. Jim Keeler
In reference to the (first self propelled Kirby). I do have pictures and the old VDTA news articles with my adds in them. It will take some time and work to dig them up, but I will post them as soon as I can. These units sold for $895.00 at that time. The first article appeared in the December issue 1984 VDTA. We introduced the KEELER self propelled Kirby vacuums and the self propelled kit at the VDTA convention in New Orleans in 1983 or 1984, I can't remember which year, it's been a long time. I also have pictures of the self propelled Bison and a Kirby style shampooer that I made and sold with the Bison. We had gold powder coated painted Bison prototype that we were going to call ( THE GOLD MAX ). I also have made a counter rotating brush roll shampooer for the older Kirbys, these never went into production. Most of the self propelled Bisons were sold in St. Pete Florida, that was the sales headquarters of Bison at that time. The self propelled Kirbys were sold all over the country. I hope you find this info interesting, as collectors an old self propelled KEELER Kirby would be quite a find. A self propelled BISON even more rare. Thanks for your interest. Jim Keeler
When I first saw Mr Keelers entry thought I was reading "DJ" copy like what was typed up for disc jockeys to read from their copyboard on air.Many typewriters found in radio stations had their cap lock buttons tied down.
I also would like to see pictures of the Keeler self propelled vacuums-same with the Bisons.
Think I will also stick with the bags on my Kirbys-esp the Filtrete disposable bags.I don't care for bagless machines.Have two Dysons in my collection and hardly use them In fact one of them(A DC07) was a trade in towards a Kirby.Got it from a Kirby Dist in my area.I guess I could see where the bagless attachment may be helpful with folks that have pets-is the filter cartridge replaceable?Pets can generate odors-making it where you have to replace the bagless filter.-and you have to wash the inside of the dirt cup.My Dyson DC07 was from a pet owner-replaced its filter-washed its cyclones and dirt cup.Also its roller brush bar was wrapped in long pet hair.
I also would like to see pictures of the Keeler self propelled vacuums-same with the Bisons.
Think I will also stick with the bags on my Kirbys-esp the Filtrete disposable bags.I don't care for bagless machines.Have two Dysons in my collection and hardly use them In fact one of them(A DC07) was a trade in towards a Kirby.Got it from a Kirby Dist in my area.I guess I could see where the bagless attachment may be helpful with folks that have pets-is the filter cartridge replaceable?Pets can generate odors-making it where you have to replace the bagless filter.-and you have to wash the inside of the dirt cup.My Dyson DC07 was from a pet owner-replaced its filter-washed its cyclones and dirt cup.Also its roller brush bar was wrapped in long pet hair.
Yes, I too don't feel the bagless conversion is for me, but I do merit Mr. Keeler for coming up with the concept. IMHO, if you have to have a bagless, bagless cyclonic is the way to go. Nobody ever bothers replacing the filters in say, A Dirt Devil, because the whole premise behind a bagless is to avoid the expense of replacing bags. At $30. or $40. bucks a pop, the filter can cost almost as much as the machine. I have a Dyson DC15 The Ball Animal that was owned by pet owners, and even after washing out the cyclone assemblies and replacing the filters, I will never be able to get the smell of carpet fresh out of it. I would love to see Mr. Keelers self propelled kit - could it be used on say, an older 500 series Kirby? On a Bison, it would be cool to see as well. Finding a Bison (any Bison) today is pretty rare. I'm sure it would have been more of a commercial success had Bison been around longer....
Re: KEELER, Bagless & Patents...
Jim Keeler, I am curious, what are some of the Patent Numbers (or even Application Numbers) of these items you invented?
You stated above, "...I used patient pending on my self propelled Kirby as it afforded better protection for me at that time..."
I understand how the "Patent process" works.
An application is filed with the USPTO. Your application is pending in the mean time (Patent Pending).
There may be revisions, continuations, etc, etc. It (application) may be denied.
If approved, it will be granted a Patent Number.
Diagrams or sketches & descriptions would be with these even if they were never granted an actual Patent. Also, the inventor(s) names would be included. (This way you don't have to take the time to go thru your stuff to find the info.)
(This is the condensed version of the process.) LOL
TY & hagd
Bill
Jim Keeler, I am curious, what are some of the Patent Numbers (or even Application Numbers) of these items you invented?
You stated above, "...I used patient pending on my self propelled Kirby as it afforded better protection for me at that time..."
I understand how the "Patent process" works.
An application is filed with the USPTO. Your application is pending in the mean time (Patent Pending).
There may be revisions, continuations, etc, etc. It (application) may be denied.
If approved, it will be granted a Patent Number.
Diagrams or sketches & descriptions would be with these even if they were never granted an actual Patent. Also, the inventor(s) names would be included. (This way you don't have to take the time to go thru your stuff to find the info.)
(This is the condensed version of the process.) LOL
TY & hagd
Bill
turbo500
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Finally Jack, something we agree on .
I have to say that the system used on the conversion kits looks identical to those used on low efficiency cyclone machines on UK budget vacuums. The split second any dust hits that filter, it's going to clog. Therefore just by vacuuming 1 room...or even 1 are of carpet...the suction will have dropped. What is the real difference between using one of these bagless converters, and just taking the paper bag out and using it as the old shake-out bag style? Also, would you care to explain how you maintain suction by simply emptying the thing and not cleaning the filter after each use? Dyson use the best bagless dust separation system out there (say what you will about them, but they do) and even a Dyson filter needs washing every 6-8 weeks (..or is months? I can't remember - Jack will remind me, I'm sure :]). Personally, I cannot be doing with bagless but I know a lot of people prefer it which is fair enough. But as much as I love Kirby's, I can only see this decreasing the performance and becoming very annoying, in the long run, to use.
.I have to say that the system used on the conversion kits looks identical to those used on low efficiency cyclone machines on UK budget vacuums. The split second any dust hits that filter, it's going to clog. Therefore just by vacuuming 1 room...or even 1 are of carpet...the suction will have dropped. What is the real difference between using one of these bagless converters, and just taking the paper bag out and using it as the old shake-out bag style? Also, would you care to explain how you maintain suction by simply emptying the thing and not cleaning the filter after each use? Dyson use the best bagless dust separation system out there (say what you will about them, but they do) and even a Dyson filter needs washing every 6-8 weeks (..or is months? I can't remember - Jack will remind me, I'm sure :]). Personally, I cannot be doing with bagless but I know a lot of people prefer it which is fair enough. But as much as I love Kirby's, I can only see this decreasing the performance and becoming very annoying, in the long run, to use.
turbo500
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Why are you so interested in flogging your sh!t to people that, between them, clearly know everything about vacuums. Since when did Vacuumland become Dragons Den?
turbo500
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^sorry, that was rude. But you really can't expect to come on here plugging this kind of product and all of us, with our vast areas of knowledge on the subject, to turn around and go "oooohhh isn't it wonderful, lets ALL by one!" without asking you questions on it.
Re: KEELER, Bagless & Patents...
RE: Re:a007kirbyman patient info from 29 yrs. ago
This is all public information on Patents at the USPTO.
You state these 'performances', 'facts' & 'claims' about products & inventions; we (especially myself & vintagehoover, maybe others?!?!) are L@@King for some "hard-copy" information or "facts" on these things, [BEFORE purchasing something]. (Then, as I politely stated previously, you don't have to dig for the info.)
If I had 'intentions', (LOL), you would have to be acknowledged so you would get your royalties. Geez, just relax! (LOL)
As this is public information (at the USPTO), is this 'improper' to ask for some documentation?!?!? Hmmmm...
Again, TY & all have a wonderful day.
Bill
RE: Re:a007kirbyman patient info from 29 yrs. ago
This is all public information on Patents at the USPTO.
You state these 'performances', 'facts' & 'claims' about products & inventions; we (especially myself & vintagehoover, maybe others?!?!) are L@@King for some "hard-copy" information or "facts" on these things, [BEFORE purchasing something]. (Then, as I politely stated previously, you don't have to dig for the info.)
If I had 'intentions', (LOL), you would have to be acknowledged so you would get your royalties. Geez, just relax! (LOL)
As this is public information (at the USPTO), is this 'improper' to ask for some documentation?!?!? Hmmmm...
Again, TY & all have a wonderful day.
Bill
Re:turbo500 flogging your sh!t
The only reason I entered into the discussion about my bagless conversion was to give some facts and info concerning my products. I have watched for almost 1 year and have read comment after comment about my product with none of the experts having ever seen or having used one. I just thought it might be good to answer some questions and give some of my 40 year history in this business. I am a vac man just like you guys. I do not now or never thought that vacuum collectors would be interested in buying a modification of any kind. You are purest, like antique car collectors. I just wanted you gentleman to read my feedback's in e-bay to see what the owners of my conversion think. I merely suggested that before you condemn something you should actually see and use the product. As to a007kirbyman Usually when someone is checking into patient info is is because they want to copy or try and steal your invention. Sorry if I seem blunt, he is a Kirby man and I have been through this many times before. After being cussed at and grilled about my 29 year old patents pending I believe I will stop for now, I would like to ask my critics, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE IN YOUR LIFE. I am quite proud of my past. Thank you all for your time. Jim
The only reason I entered into the discussion about my bagless conversion was to give some facts and info concerning my products. I have watched for almost 1 year and have read comment after comment about my product with none of the experts having ever seen or having used one. I just thought it might be good to answer some questions and give some of my 40 year history in this business. I am a vac man just like you guys. I do not now or never thought that vacuum collectors would be interested in buying a modification of any kind. You are purest, like antique car collectors. I just wanted you gentleman to read my feedback's in e-bay to see what the owners of my conversion think. I merely suggested that before you condemn something you should actually see and use the product. As to a007kirbyman Usually when someone is checking into patient info is is because they want to copy or try and steal your invention. Sorry if I seem blunt, he is a Kirby man and I have been through this many times before. After being cussed at and grilled about my 29 year old patents pending I believe I will stop for now, I would like to ask my critics, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE IN YOUR LIFE. I am quite proud of my past. Thank you all for your time. Jim
turbo500
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WHAT HAVE YOU DONE IN YOUR LIFE
...You really don't want me to answer that. Let me tell you, in my short life, I've done far more than design something which is already in production (just look at the lux uprights in the UK and low end vax's..infact look at every cheap bagless vacuum on the market and tell me your bagless kirby converter isn't just one of their cyclones design to be plonked onto a kirby) for a product that would be far superior in performance, maintenance and style WITHOUT it. I don't pretend to be a genius. And I know that there's people on here with far more knowledge on the subject that myself. But with all the knowledge we have between us, we pretty much know everything and we're not thick and I think it;s pretty obvious that you have BLATANTLY come on here to try and sell your product to us. Well here's the fact for you - half of us can't stand bagless vacuums, and the other half who can all have Dysons. So what's the point?
I apologies NOW if I have offended anyone - thats not the intention and those of you who speak to me regularly know how blunt i am. I just think this is a crock, tbh.
...You really don't want me to answer that. Let me tell you, in my short life, I've done far more than design something which is already in production (just look at the lux uprights in the UK and low end vax's..infact look at every cheap bagless vacuum on the market and tell me your bagless kirby converter isn't just one of their cyclones design to be plonked onto a kirby) for a product that would be far superior in performance, maintenance and style WITHOUT it. I don't pretend to be a genius. And I know that there's people on here with far more knowledge on the subject that myself. But with all the knowledge we have between us, we pretty much know everything and we're not thick and I think it;s pretty obvious that you have BLATANTLY come on here to try and sell your product to us. Well here's the fact for you - half of us can't stand bagless vacuums, and the other half who can all have Dysons. So what's the point?
I apologies NOW if I have offended anyone - thats not the intention and those of you who speak to me regularly know how blunt i am. I just think this is a crock, tbh.
turbo500
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^yes. because I think your product is pointless. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Some people like tea, others prefer coffee.
Isn't this pretty much the same cyclone that you're sticking on Kirbys? Hardly an achievement copying someone else's design.
http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Produ...|Upright+bagless+vacuum+cleaners|14418648.htm
Isn't this pretty much the same cyclone that you're sticking on Kirbys? Hardly an achievement copying someone else's design.
http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Produ...|Upright+bagless+vacuum+cleaners|14418648.htm
turbo500
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..and here's another one.
http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/catalogId/1500001801/partNumber/0883667.htm
http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/catalogId/1500001801/partNumber/0883667.htm
turbo500
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...oh, and ANOTHER one...
http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Produ...|Upright+bagless+vacuum+cleaners|14418648.htm
http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Produ...|Upright+bagless+vacuum+cleaners|14418648.htm
turbo500
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In a bagged vacuum, you have a bag to trap the dirt and then a filter to stop fine particles blowing into the motor. As the bag fills, it clogs. Fact. As it clogs, it loses suction - some more than others. Take the bag away and all you have are filters to hold the dust back from blowing into the motor. That is basically what all those low efficiency cyclones do. The minute dust hits that cyclone chamber, they clog because all the dust is coming in direct contact with the filter. As the filter clogs, the motor starts to struggle and eventually over-heats. Kirby, a highly respected vacuum brand with exceptional performance and reliability, don't have this problem. Dirty fan motor and a bag the size of...well..a really big bag. Your product removes that. As it clogs, the vacuum will lose suction and become unreliable and a waste of the £1,500 people spend on them. Why would you spend that amount of money on a vacuum to go and add something that reduces it to the level of a machine you can get for under £40 in Argos? So therefore, I think it's pointless.
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