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"It is strange that Eureka would make a belt that is obv
That's the thing, the belt is right for much older models, and fits tightly, but for later models, they must have changed something that loosened the fit, my guess is the groove in the brushroll on VGI and VGII brushrolls is a smaller diameter than the older wooden Distribulator brushrolls, but not having had an older model than my C12 to experiment with, I don't really know... :\
That's the thing, the belt is right for much older models, and fits tightly, but for later models, they must have changed something that loosened the fit, my guess is the groove in the brushroll on VGI and VGII brushrolls is a smaller diameter than the older wooden Distribulator brushrolls, but not having had an older model than my C12 to experiment with, I don't really know... :\
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No, the smaller diameter would mean the belt is not as tight as it should be, so the pulley on the motor would slip more and cause the belt to overheat and lose more tension, ultimately resulting in the belt failing... 
This is more prevalent on the Pancakes as like I say, they have a bit more torque behind them, so they don't stall as easily as the Blenders, so while a blender motor can stall if you lower it too far or if it catches the edge of a rug, the Pancake will keep on going until the belt gives out...
It is odd that they do that, but, there you go... :\
This is more prevalent on the Pancakes as like I say, they have a bit more torque behind them, so they don't stall as easily as the Blenders, so while a blender motor can stall if you lower it too far or if it catches the edge of a rug, the Pancake will keep on going until the belt gives out...
It is odd that they do that, but, there you go... :\
Ah, I get you now.
That's the thing I hate about modern Vacuum Cleaners opposed to the "oldies", if you run over something, like a cable or a sock and it jams the brush roll, the belt will snap in an instant because the motor doesn't slow down at all, at least an older motor slows down to give you the split second you need to cut the power.
That's the thing I hate about modern Vacuum Cleaners opposed to the "oldies", if you run over something, like a cable or a sock and it jams the brush roll, the belt will snap in an instant because the motor doesn't slow down at all, at least an older motor slows down to give you the split second you need to cut the power.
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The pancake motor design is actually old, but they just kept upping the amps over they years, so the highest amp models (the 7 Amp@120v) tend to go through belts like I go through cola, but the lowest (I think 3.5Amp@120v) tend to last longer...
There is the issue of them using round belts though, if they used flat belts they'd probably last a lot longer, but still, it's a well-tested design that has lasted well...
There is the issue of them using round belts though, if they used flat belts they'd probably last a lot longer, but still, it's a well-tested design that has lasted well...
Yep, that's always the way.
You up the amps (or wattage as us Brits would term it) and the motor is going to spin faster. The motor spins faster - The rubber belt rotating the brush roll will wear quicker due to heating more and thus stretching more. Unless of course, it was made using threads like the other belt you mentioned.
You up the amps (or wattage as us Brits would term it) and the motor is going to spin faster. The motor spins faster - The rubber belt rotating the brush roll will wear quicker due to heating more and thus stretching more. Unless of course, it was made using threads like the other belt you mentioned.
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The reason for modern vacuums having higher wattage motors is because they're usually single-stage motors, so to get more air through, they have to spin faster, but two-stage motors, like in my Tristar, can be lower powered and draw more air through, but it's more expensive to design to fit in most modern vacs, so they compromise and use the cheaper motors at the expense of the user's electricity bill... :\
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Nah, what you're thinking of is a 2-speed, which needs no explanation...
A two-stage is basically a motor with two fans, one up front, that feeds through a set of vanes to the next fan that then goes through another set of vanes then finally out through the motor's back end, this helps to create more suction and airflow with less power used...
You can see the motor design in the first episode of "The secret life of machines" here:
A two-stage is basically a motor with two fans, one up front, that feeds through a set of vanes to the next fan that then goes through another set of vanes then finally out through the motor's back end, this helps to create more suction and airflow with less power used...
You can see the motor design in the first episode of "The secret life of machines" here:
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Just clean fans, I think if they tried doing it with dust, dirt and fluff going through, it would clog up too easily...
not even on a
Pancake motor machine!!!......its still a bit of a strain!!!!.....you may have used sanitares. BUT, do u know how many F&G eurekas have come in and out of my hands in the last 5 years????>....trust me....eureka belts for eurekas, hoover belts for Hoovers.
and the difference in blender motors and pancake motors are......blender motors have a adjustable sleeve berring in the top of the motor. and a pancake is a double ball bering motor. in the 60's and 70's most Eurekas use the pancake motor, but they were only 3.5amps....the blender motor didnt come out till the late 70's, then the pancake motor was finally beefed to 6.0amps with the introduction of the ESP. so pancake motors are not just higher ampage.....they are just a better quality motors.
Pancake motor machine!!!......its still a bit of a strain!!!!.....you may have used sanitares. BUT, do u know how many F&G eurekas have come in and out of my hands in the last 5 years????>....trust me....eureka belts for eurekas, hoover belts for Hoovers.
and the difference in blender motors and pancake motors are......blender motors have a adjustable sleeve berring in the top of the motor. and a pancake is a double ball bering motor. in the 60's and 70's most Eurekas use the pancake motor, but they were only 3.5amps....the blender motor didnt come out till the late 70's, then the pancake motor was finally beefed to 6.0amps with the introduction of the ESP. so pancake motors are not just higher ampage.....they are just a better quality motors.
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That cleaner will look great once it's all cleaned up! Is the trim on.that model "big bad Orange" or some shade of red? The accumulated dirt makes it difficult to tell in a photograph.
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It's definitely red. So far the cleaning's been going fairly well, the big mark on the corner of the hood that looks like the paint has been scraped away and the metal is rusting was actually just some kind of gunk that came off with isopropanol and a lot of rubbing. The hood definitely has some little chips and scratches but nothing too major. The bag has almost no cracks in the vinyl (looks like better material than the stuff Hoover used) but it has some kind of nasty orange stains on it - if those will come off I may try to replace the zipper on it (or ask the person here who offered to do it), but if not I'll probably put a new bag on.
I just need to clean/oil the motor and do the handle/cord and I'll be ready to start reassembling it.
It's definitely red. So far the cleaning's been going fairly well, the big mark on the corner of the hood that looks like the paint has been scraped away and the metal is rusting was actually just some kind of gunk that came off with isopropanol and a lot of rubbing. The hood definitely has some little chips and scratches but nothing too major. The bag has almost no cracks in the vinyl (looks like better material than the stuff Hoover used) but it has some kind of nasty orange stains on it - if those will come off I may try to replace the zipper on it (or ask the person here who offered to do it), but if not I'll probably put a new bag on.
I just need to clean/oil the motor and do the handle/cord and I'll be ready to start reassembling it.
And the model's 1424E. I wonder if there ever was a model 1424J, though?
~Ben
~Ben
