matt8808
Well-known member
BEFORE WE EVEN START.... please note that this is NOT a brand bashing thread.
The two machines I'm going to use as examples for my argument are a Dyson DC40 and a Sebo D4. The Sebo side of things could apply to any of their machines really though, be it a Felix or an X4.
I've chosen the DC40 as I think it is likely to be the most popular machine choice for the average Dyson customer. However we could always use the DC39 for a cylinder choice. Either way the results will pretty much be the same.
PLEASE NOTE AGAIN. THIS IS NOT A BRAND BASHING THEAD. So lets not have any of the 'this machine is better than that machine' ect ect... this is purely aimed at bagged VS bagless in general.
So, now thats out the way, I'll get down to it.
I've noticed there has been a lot of debate recently about people preferring bagless and washable filters, and others preferring bagged with disposable filters, and it got me thinking.
I'm currently a bagged customer - Sebo D4 Premium Eco, Kirby Sentria II & Numatic Henry Eco / George.
However it's not too long ago I was bagless too - DC25, DC39, DC41.
So this is based purely on my personal experience, however I've noticed other users saying a bag in their Sebo Felix lasts around 3 months of daily use, so thats drawn into account too as a D4 bag will also last me around 3 months being used 3 times a week for the whole house.
Right. So lets start off with bagless.
A DC40 for example. Used in my home, any recent Dyson has needed emptying once a week. So, if I empty the machine from the kitchen -
I unclip the bin, walk to the door, go onto the patio and open up the trash can (6ft away from back door), empty the dust bucket, close the bin lid, close the dust bucket flap, back into the house, close the back door, quick wipe to get rid of the dust thats coated the outside of the dust bucket, clip the dust bucket back onto the machine.
Now I think thats a fairly reasonable procedure. Anybody who is emptying a bagless machine indoors is just plain filthy and should be shot at dawn. I've timed the abouve procedure and it takes roughly 90 seconds for me. Thats not rushing, and its not taking my time either. Normal pace.
So 90 seconds once a week. Every 4th week, assuming there are 4 weeks in the month, the filters will need washing too, as most Dyson machines now require monthly filter washes BASED ON THE USER GUIDE.
So every 4th week we'll spend what, 15 minutes? Thats the above emptying procedure, followed by removing any crud thats built up on the filter shroud, removing both filters, washing them & then refitting them once dry.
Again I don't think this is an unfair time. You wash the filter, then have to wipe up around the sink and things, wash & dry your hands afterwards, refit the filters once dry ect ect. This is a start to finsh kinda time, not just the time you spend with the actual filter under the tap.
So we're now at 19 minutes and 30 seconds of total time spent on maintainence each month, based on a weekly bin empty and filter care per the user guide.
In 3 months this is 58 minutes and 30 seconds. So lets say an hour. An hour every 3 months. Soon adding up isn't it?
So. Bagged.
Based on how long a bag lasts me under the same amount of use the above Dyson was getting. Again, based on 4 weeks in a month.
Week 1 - first bag, week 2 - still on the first bag, week 3 - still on the first bag, week 4 - still on the first bag, week 5 - still on the first bag, week 6 - still on the first bag, week 7 - still on the first bag, week 8 - still on the first bag, week 9 - still on the first bag, week 10 - still on the first bag, week 11 - still on the first bag, week 12 - time for a new bag.
So again, in the kitchen. Open up the machine, remove the bag, out the back door, bag in the trash can, back in house, box of bags from cupboard, new bag fitted, close machine lid, box of bags back in cupboard.
We'll say 3 minutes. I'll say double what it takes for the bagless based on having to get a new bag from the box and then putting the spare bags away again.
So in 3 months we have 3 minutes of maintenance time for a bagged machine and 58 minutes and 30 seconds for a bagless machine.
Now the user guide on my D4 says to replace the filters after 16 bags have been used. So 16 x 3 months = 48 months. 4 years.
In 4 YEARS with the bagged D4 thats 48 minutes spent changing bags, plus say 10 minutes to fit a new set of filters too.
58 minutes. Round it up to an hour. An hour of bag and filter maintenance in 4 years.
In 4 years you've spent OVER 15 HOURS bin emptying and filter washing on the above bagless machine.
Now cost. Because you've not had to buy bags or filters for the bagless machine right?
Based on 4 years. 8 genuine bags for the D4 is £11.95. So for the 16 bags in 4 years based on a bag lasting 3 months thats £23.90 in bags and £19.96 for a filter set. £43.86 total in 4 years.
So. In 4 years I can either spend over 15 HOURS of my time in maintenance and have 0 cost.
Or I can spend 1 hour in maintenance and have a parts cost of less than £44.
After sitting and working it out I suddenly don't think I'll ever be buying bagless again.
How much is YOUR time worth to you?
The two machines I'm going to use as examples for my argument are a Dyson DC40 and a Sebo D4. The Sebo side of things could apply to any of their machines really though, be it a Felix or an X4.
I've chosen the DC40 as I think it is likely to be the most popular machine choice for the average Dyson customer. However we could always use the DC39 for a cylinder choice. Either way the results will pretty much be the same.
PLEASE NOTE AGAIN. THIS IS NOT A BRAND BASHING THEAD. So lets not have any of the 'this machine is better than that machine' ect ect... this is purely aimed at bagged VS bagless in general.
So, now thats out the way, I'll get down to it.
I've noticed there has been a lot of debate recently about people preferring bagless and washable filters, and others preferring bagged with disposable filters, and it got me thinking.
I'm currently a bagged customer - Sebo D4 Premium Eco, Kirby Sentria II & Numatic Henry Eco / George.
However it's not too long ago I was bagless too - DC25, DC39, DC41.
So this is based purely on my personal experience, however I've noticed other users saying a bag in their Sebo Felix lasts around 3 months of daily use, so thats drawn into account too as a D4 bag will also last me around 3 months being used 3 times a week for the whole house.
Right. So lets start off with bagless.
A DC40 for example. Used in my home, any recent Dyson has needed emptying once a week. So, if I empty the machine from the kitchen -
I unclip the bin, walk to the door, go onto the patio and open up the trash can (6ft away from back door), empty the dust bucket, close the bin lid, close the dust bucket flap, back into the house, close the back door, quick wipe to get rid of the dust thats coated the outside of the dust bucket, clip the dust bucket back onto the machine.
Now I think thats a fairly reasonable procedure. Anybody who is emptying a bagless machine indoors is just plain filthy and should be shot at dawn. I've timed the abouve procedure and it takes roughly 90 seconds for me. Thats not rushing, and its not taking my time either. Normal pace.
So 90 seconds once a week. Every 4th week, assuming there are 4 weeks in the month, the filters will need washing too, as most Dyson machines now require monthly filter washes BASED ON THE USER GUIDE.
So every 4th week we'll spend what, 15 minutes? Thats the above emptying procedure, followed by removing any crud thats built up on the filter shroud, removing both filters, washing them & then refitting them once dry.
Again I don't think this is an unfair time. You wash the filter, then have to wipe up around the sink and things, wash & dry your hands afterwards, refit the filters once dry ect ect. This is a start to finsh kinda time, not just the time you spend with the actual filter under the tap.
So we're now at 19 minutes and 30 seconds of total time spent on maintainence each month, based on a weekly bin empty and filter care per the user guide.
In 3 months this is 58 minutes and 30 seconds. So lets say an hour. An hour every 3 months. Soon adding up isn't it?
So. Bagged.
Based on how long a bag lasts me under the same amount of use the above Dyson was getting. Again, based on 4 weeks in a month.
Week 1 - first bag, week 2 - still on the first bag, week 3 - still on the first bag, week 4 - still on the first bag, week 5 - still on the first bag, week 6 - still on the first bag, week 7 - still on the first bag, week 8 - still on the first bag, week 9 - still on the first bag, week 10 - still on the first bag, week 11 - still on the first bag, week 12 - time for a new bag.
So again, in the kitchen. Open up the machine, remove the bag, out the back door, bag in the trash can, back in house, box of bags from cupboard, new bag fitted, close machine lid, box of bags back in cupboard.
We'll say 3 minutes. I'll say double what it takes for the bagless based on having to get a new bag from the box and then putting the spare bags away again.
So in 3 months we have 3 minutes of maintenance time for a bagged machine and 58 minutes and 30 seconds for a bagless machine.
Now the user guide on my D4 says to replace the filters after 16 bags have been used. So 16 x 3 months = 48 months. 4 years.
In 4 YEARS with the bagged D4 thats 48 minutes spent changing bags, plus say 10 minutes to fit a new set of filters too.
58 minutes. Round it up to an hour. An hour of bag and filter maintenance in 4 years.
In 4 years you've spent OVER 15 HOURS bin emptying and filter washing on the above bagless machine.
Now cost. Because you've not had to buy bags or filters for the bagless machine right?
Based on 4 years. 8 genuine bags for the D4 is £11.95. So for the 16 bags in 4 years based on a bag lasting 3 months thats £23.90 in bags and £19.96 for a filter set. £43.86 total in 4 years.
So. In 4 years I can either spend over 15 HOURS of my time in maintenance and have 0 cost.
Or I can spend 1 hour in maintenance and have a parts cost of less than £44.
After sitting and working it out I suddenly don't think I'll ever be buying bagless again.
How much is YOUR time worth to you?
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