anyone selling a dyson for $135

[vacuumkid3]

I may have posted this earlier on a different thread...

but have we not gone back on ourselves? We invented the "bagless" machine: the Hoover model O. A shake out bag, indeed. Then, Air-Way came along with the disposable paper filter bag. That was so popular that even Hoover, the one who invented the shake out bag, stole the idea. But Air-Way sued Hoover and Hoover could no longer make their paper bags. Now, fast-foward to the year 2006, where people are going with Dyson and other vacuums that leak dust. They rely on filters to filter out most of the small stuff, while good companies, like Air-Way, still haven't budged from their position with paper bags. Sure: paper bags clog. But at least you don't have to worry with expensive HEPA filters! Rainbow makes it difficult to get the dirt out, as you are recommended to change it very often. With a paper bag, you buy some, stick it in, vacuum, vacuum some more, the bag clogs, you SANITARILY throw it in the trash can (no dirt flying around; UNLIKE the bagless systems), and simply put a new one in.

SO: WHY DID WE GO BACK ON OURSELVES??

~~K~~

 

[ian88]

I've heard that HEPA filtration is a gimmick intended to sell new vacuum cleaners to people and nothing more anyway I mean...people wern't dropping like flies in the 60s and 70s and before, before HEPA filtration.

comments anyone?

Ian

 

[myhooverco]

Derreck...I guess if you have money to afford the high end models you can buy the expensive bags. I would rather have the dirt in my bag and throw it away than leave it in the carpet. I can improve the performance in my Hoover with a quick bag change. I get my A, Z, Y bags cheap (5 for $4) and the C bags 20 for $1.50 so its no big deal for me. Why would you spend money on a dyson bag..the darn thing doesn't have one!! That is good! I like that one!!!

Maybe that is why Miele, Sebo have such a loyal following. They produce quality products with a bag. If you buy and pay for quality, then you tend to take care of the item by buying bags and belts for upkeep. I am no expert on these bojack brands. I just know what works for me, period. I just do not have good luck with bagless machines. I see no need of them in my life. I will continue to stick to my good 'ole Hoover Convertible. It did not cost me $400!

--Tom

 

[charles~richard]

Hepa? Hypa!

I agree that by and large, all this hepa business is probably a lot of hyped-up sales-tactics hooey.

As Ian pointed out, people WERE vacuuming for decades without hepa AND without keeling over from asthma or tuberculosis!

Granted, hepa filtration -- not just in vacuum cleaners but heaters, air conditioners and air cleaning systems -- does help people who have allergies or are already prone to asthma. But those people are, thankfully, a tiny minority of the population at large.

Most people can safely use the vacuum cleaners, even the old "dust wheezers and dirt belchers" of days-gone-by without fear!

 

[ian88]

I mean, I use my old Hoover Junior at the moment..yes it makes me sneeze sometimes..but i'm hardly dieing from it

its quite well sealed actually, only sneeze when i'm emptying the bag (using an old vax cloth bag, fits like a glove..
I can't be bothered with buying the paper bags anyhow)

Ian

 

[vinvac]

Hepa Hypa

Charles,

Very well put and I could not agree more. Hoover, Kirby, Electrolux, all the big names came out with new and improved models every few years... facts being that not much changed. Kirby took up the amps on the motor a slight bit, changed brush rolls, added paper bags, but the true facts of the matter are that the machine really did not change a lot. They would find a new sales story to make the buyer think they had this wonderfully new and improved machine....chances are the motor and fan assembly was exactly the same as the last model.

Bagless machines are no different. Those of us, like myself who have allergies, know that a bagless machine does not help us at all, we still have to empty it... and what happens to all that pollen and dirt... back in your face in concentrated form...when it comes time to empty.

Kirby, Air-Way, Electrolux and others that use filtrete bags are better for me. All I have to do is gently remove the bag, cover the opening and I can generally get away with out even a single sneeze...Oreck even seals its own bag as you remove it from the machine...

I love trying new machines, even the bagless, they are all fun to play with, but give me an old Eureka upright, Hoover upright, Kirby, Royal, Lux, Airway, Singer, Hamilton Beach, Sunbeam or Filter Queen and I am as happy as a Bee in a Clover patch.

 

[myhooverco]

Morgan...

I agree completely. All vacuums are fun to play with, but for daily cleaning a bag just works better for me too.

By the way Hoover was notorious for not changing their machines. Just look at the Convertible series, the "60" series, or even the 700 and its derivations. Sometimes what is new is old.

--Tom

 

[robgwisdala]

Sears has Eureka F&G bags for $10.99 for 15 bags.
Sears has Hoover A bags for $10.99 for 15 bags.
That is an excellent deal on bags!
I use the 3M Filtrete bags on my Kirby G3/Diamond Edition/Sentria and they work great!
In my opinion, The Kirby DOES NOT loose suction with the 3M Filtrete bags!

 

[robgwisdala]

3M Filtrete bags are available for these brands/models:
Hoover A/Z/Y
Eureka F&G
Kenmore/Panasonic uprights/canisters
Kenmore/Bissell ProLite uprights
Kirby G series uprights
And a few other brands/models that I forgot to mention.

 

[convertible68]

Hello

The new Hoover Constellation Type S HEPA bags are also made of material identical to the 3M Filtrete bags.
They could be included in that category as well.

 

[tolivac]

Meile now uses Filtrete bags-under the "Intensive Clean" name-they fit older models.Riccar is using them now as well.they use them in their uprights and canisters.You can choose the Filtrete type bags or the traditional paper ones for Riccars.The F&G Filtrete bags sound great-these would of course fit Eureka and Royal that uses the "A" bag.

 

[constellation86]

Hoover bags

Where can you get Hoover size A Filtrete bags? I have never seen them. They would make the convertible the best vacuum ever!

 

[dial-a-matic]

This may be a scam,

but www.everyfreegift.com is giving away free dyson dc07 animal vacuums. I will have to wait to see if I will get one though.

 

[luxboy]

Best bags..

I love the Miele bags.. the intensive clean with the "garage door" that comes down to seal it up as you take it out. VERY nice bags.

Derreck

 

[luxboy]

Hoover Empower/Hoover V2 Dustcup

I decided to vacuum with my Hoover V2 windtunnel which uses the same dustcup as the Hoover Empower tonight, and show what happens to the screen and filter after this machine is used ONCE. I like it much better with the bag cup, too bad they didn't make a bag cup for the Empower. Keep in mind.. the screen and filter were both clean before I started and I have a one bedroom apartment. Here are the pictures...

 

[luxboy]

Picture 2

Here is the filter which I had vacuumed clean before I used it.

 

[swingette]

luxboy

you do have a point. just for kicks i decided to borrow the Gift Shop's windtunnel bagless (at the hotel i work at) and use it to vacuum a little. i started off by cleaning the screen and filter beforehand. you WILL end up with dirt stained fingers, manipulating the filter and screen. i vacuumed an area equivalent to about a large room. the screen is not too hard to clean. just run a card over it and the dirt comes off in a sheet. the pleated filter, on the other hand, is a nightmare. id rather use a cloth bag than deal with that hateful pleated filter! the Hoover DID clean beautifully all the while...

 

[luxboy]

David..

If you keep vacuuming with that machine, I promise ;-) it will gradually lose suction as that screen becomes more clogged... and furthermore.. who wants to clean up that mess and scrape all that fuzz and junk off of that screen after every use.. certainly not me... lol..

Derreck

 

[frkirby511]

Kirby and Filtrete

Today I vacuumed the house with my Kirby Legend with small rug nozzle and my G6. Both were fitted with filtrete bags. I have to agree with Ron..the machine seemed to maintain the highest suction throughout and the air flow is amazing. Even over the noice of the Kirby you can hear the rush of wind distinctly almost like you do with an Electrolux G. This is the third major cleaning with the same filtrete bags in each of these cleaners and there was no odor and no apparent loss of suction.

I also was amzaed when...much to my dismay... while dusting a table in my room, the G-6 inhaled a small pebble I had gotten as a remembrance from the Sea of Galilee. The amazing thing was that there was plenty of suction to draw this pebble right into the machine. I was also amazed that it did not harm the fan one bit!!! I do have several other stones from that place so I don't think I'm going to tear open the bag to find it. But clearly there was plenty of suction and the fan was sturdy enough to bear the assault of this pebble! Yea for Kirby and Filtrete!

 

[compactc9]

I really do like filtrete bags. Just the other day a lady brought in her Miele for a regular serice and cleaning. The Intensive Clean bag was absolutely packed full of dirt, and backing up into the intake. The vacuum still had enough power to keep cleanin, even though you could tell it had lost a more than noticeable amount of its power.

 

[myhooverco]

Derreck...your pictures prove a good point...bagless is very messy and sometimes not an option for those with allergies. It is much easier to change a bag and be done with it. I had a Hoover bagless cleaner circa 2001 and hated it. I gave it away to the carpet guy after he installed our new carpeting. I figured it would be good at vacuuming new carpet fluff. Anyway it is out of my house...it was way too messy. Thanks for the pics.

--Tom

 

[ohio_tuec]

And I hate it how (has anyone else noticed this) that when you use a bagless machine for awhile, depending on the type of dirt you pick up, the clear canister becomes sandblasted, and hence "frosted." It's not clear anymore.