Another Hitachi. The CV975D

[andy-lux]

Well done mate. It has turned out well. I'd take my hat off if I had one

 

[vintagerepairer]

And to think I never knew Argos sold marbles. I even knew the store manager very well.

 

[jmurray01]

"I remember them well - they were a good seller for Argos." With people like me about, I can believe that.

 

[turbomaster1984]

Chris

fab, nice to see one of these again, one of those many childhood vacs of mine. Mum has a lot to answer for making mechase allthese cleaners of hers. One day Il have an example of each one.

Always loved this one brilliant cleaners and solidly built.

 

[madabouthoovers]

I have one of those Hitachi Powerhouse models - obtained it in a sorry state and had to do a total strip down and cleanup, but its working great now - pity I had to butcher the small tamperproof screw in the back to get the back off to access the motor though - what a PITA to do, but the motor is encased in foam and this was overrun with dirt and hair. Its the only upright I have with a cable rewind mechanism - and very sturdily built - it has a substantial beater bar which really grooms my carpets, and exhausts from the side of the dustcontainer. Pity its missing the dusting brush and crevice tool, but I cant have it all can I. This is a lovely forest green CV780DC and I have no idea how old it is, but would estimate late 90's:

 

[madabouthoovers]

Showing the Back view with cord rewound fully into cleaner:

 

[madabouthoovers]

The view of the brushbar - very similar to the Hoover models of yesteryear?

 

[madabouthoovers]

And the bag compartment - notice they used a bag slide along the top of the open bags - re-useable paper bags. This model was made in Singapore BTW.

 

[turbo500]

Steve, I might have a spare dusting brush and crevice tool for that machine lurking about if you're interested? I will have a route around when I get home.


 


Yours is the earlier 1000w model from the second run of these style (the first run were all grey). My guess is about 1997/98.

 

[madabouthoovers]

Chris - yes I would be interested if you maybe want to list them on Ebay and let me know when you do so I can do a buy it now for a reasonable price. I always try to only go for cleaners with all their tools, as I think they just arent complete without them, but then, the Hitachi only cost me £10 and she was about to throw it out if it didnt sell. It reminds me of the Turbopower 2 in shape, and thats what I'm gonna get next, but I want the one with the autosense and permabag if I can find one locally, but the best things come to those who wait lol
Plenty of Turbopower's come up on ebay but only the base models with no bag full indicators, and that just wont do for me. Plus so many sellers wont post either, and thats a pity. Am more of an uprights fan, but am always scanning ebay for bargains, and if a Hoover sensotronic comes up near me, may be interested in them to.

 

[turbo500]

Plenty of Turbopower's come up on ebay but only the base

The bag full indicator on the Turbopower 1 was near useless anyway and it was only the first series and last series of Turbopowers that didn't have them. Between 1986 and 1991, I think all the hardbag Turbo's came with a bag full light. It was then dropped off the top of Hoover's range by the Turbopower 2 in 1992 and became more of a budget cleaner. Amazingly, it lasted as such until 2001.

 

[turbomaster1984]

Steve

A up duck,

Another member in the locality, drop me an email if you like.

Il keep my eye out for a TP2 with autosense and bag for ya chicken. lol

Rob

 

[madabouthoovers]

I had a later model Turbopower in dark metallic green, which had a permabag system, the autosense and power boost control and bag full indicator, although I'm now trying to remember if it was a piston type indicator or a light. It was a great cleaner and I wish I still had it - although washing the permabag was a dirty job and I used to do it in the bathtub - although washing out Dyson cyclone assemblies reminds me of those old permabag assemblies as well. Thinking about it - I'm surprised the Purepower has lasted this long as it is not a patch on the Turbopower clean fan models.
Wasnt such a big fan of the dirty fan Turbopower 1 from '84 to '92, as they tended to blow a lot of dust into the room again and the upright locking mechanism wasnty very good - also the lower cable wind holders tended to snap off, and hose suction wasnt the best either. When it changed to a clean fan system, it was transformed overnight!

 

[madabouthoovers]

This is the model I had, and loved it a lot - such a good cleaner, and you can see the similarities to the Hitachi Powerhouse range, but the Hoover had more gizmos and features which is why I bought it:

 

[turbomaster1984]

LOL

I Recognise that cleaner lolol wonder where it is.....

 

[madabouthoovers]

I remembered seeing this on these forums in an archive several months back, some guy in Derby posted it, but just pinched the pic as its a nice model and exactly the same as what I bought from brand new back in the late 90's. Hoover built this model to such a good quality, can hardly beleive that the purepower/dustmanager range was its replacement :-(

 

[jmurray01]

Yes it was posted in my Turbopower information thread which went on for over a hundred replies (VL really should have pages) and belonged to Paul.

Speaking of which I haven't seen him around on the forum lately...

 

[turbomaster1984]

yes Steve,

it was posted by turbopowerpaul, my partner of 5 years.

Between us we have collected the first series of that cleaner's core range and are only missing about 3 of the exclusive models.

Great cleaners and very versatile as you mention, but then im also asucker for the electroux contours and airstreams of the time too. Side by side I can tell no difference in performance,

 

[turbo500]

Wasnt such a big fan of the dirty fan Turbopower 1

...*GASP*....

 

[madabouthoovers]

There's been an airstream kicking about on Ebay now for months over in Derby, she was selling a Turpower1 in green a month or so back too, didnt go for it though as the back was black plastic instead of green and it didnt look right.

 

[madabouthoovers]

Its photos like this that put me off the Turbopower 1, it seems to have not much in the way of filtration between the bag and the outside world, thus coating itself in dust blown out again - maybe this is just caused by cheap bags?

 

[vintagerepairer]

Second-hand dust from a well maintained dirty-fan cleaner is a potential quirk of the design, it has to be said. However, I would still suggest that it was not all that much worse than a clean-fan machine which had a cloth bag and no filtration (of which a good deal cleaners were built in this fashion).

The real problems in the dirty-fan cleaners arise from when the plastic ducting and bellows wears out, or cracks, or splits, either through wear and tear due to the handle constantly being moved up and down, or through solid objects hitting the fan and smashing their way through the cowling around of the fan.

As well as this, a good deal of cleaners had poorly fitted bellows and ducting etc. right from the assembly line at the factory. If a cleaner has closely sealed parts and the bellows are intact and a decent bag is fitted, second-hand dust should be minimal.

However, in the reality, papers bags would often burst, leaving layers and layers of dust and filth in a soft bag cleaner, and spraying it into all corners of a hard bag cleaner, often into spaces which the average consumer would never think of or be able to clean out.

Poor quality dust bags would indeed only add to this. Of all the dirty-fan machines I have ever worked on, the Electrolux 152, 160, and 170 stand out from all the rest as being one of the best and easiest to keep clean. A filter in the front of the hard bag did prevent a lot of dust escaping and the hard bag itself was easy to take off and wash out with soapy water. With the exception of the filter pad, there were no other parts fitted to the inside of it. It was just like cleaning out a small household pedal bin. Where this cleaner lost points was in the tee joint where the main handle connected to the cleaner head, because given enough time, the joint could wear out and cause dust to escape. But I still thought it to be the best design of hard bag. I cannot tell you how much dirt and filth I have removed from behind cordwinder units and electrical panels on the likes of a Hoover Turbopower or a Moulinex.

 

[jmurray01]

Meh, a bit of dust never hurt anybody!

I know a lot of people like high filtration and although it is a plus, I really couldn't give a toss about it.

As long as dust isn't flying out of the vacuum it is filtering enough for me.

 

[madabouthoovers]

I didnt realise you could get a clean fan machine with a soft bag - I thought all cloth bag machines such as the juniors, seniours, Kirby, etc were dirty fan. I thought all clean fan machines or indirect air had to have a hard container as the bag is on the suction side rather than the exhaust side of the fan?

 

[vintagerepairer]

Hello. Yes there have been a good deal of clean-fan machines with cloth bags, mostly cylinder types. More often than not they were designed in such a way that a paper bag could be fitted inside of it, but a good deal of people just used the cloth bag. Some cleaners like Electrolux had an exhaust filter too, but others like some basic Philips, Goblin, and Hoover models had no such thing, it was just a plain cloth bag before the motor.

I am wondering if maybe there is some confusion here over the use of the terms cloth bag (by which I mean a cloth alternative to a paper bag in either a clean or dirty fan cleaner) and soft bag (by which I mean a fabric cover which fits around a paper bag or cloth bag on a dirty fan cleaner). Sorry if this is the case. My fault.

 

[jmurray01]

I think Steve thought you meant cloth bag as in the housing of the dust bag, in which case no you cannot have a clean fan Vacuum Cleaner with a cloth bag of that type, it would physically not be possible.

 

[madabouthoovers]

Soft bag to me is the outer zipped cover over the inner paper bag on a dirty fan cleaner - the part that Kirby changes the design on every few years. Hard bag is like the Hitachi cleaner at the start of this post - it has to have a hard bag as it is a bypass cleaner where the dust is sucked through the bag and then filtered out before the air hits the fan, hence clean fan.
I know that some clean fan cleaners like the Miele S7510 use cloth bags but these are surrounded by a hard bag to allow the air to be sucked through the inner bag.
I think maybe we got wires crossed lol

 

[jmurray01]

Yes, soft bag is the term I use, but either can be used.

I personally am not a fan of the cloth bags (in place of a paper bag) because cleaning them out is a messy job and they clog easier I find.

 

[vintagerepairer]

Well, in all that I wrote, I used the term 'soft bag' to describe the outer covering of a dirty-fan cleaner, and 'cloth bag' to describe the recepticle used to retain the debris in any cleaner.

 

[jmurray01]

Did you ? Better go and buy those marbles sooner rather than later.