sebo_fan
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It's actually only slightly bigger than the Miele S5 to accommodate the bigger amount of cable on board.
Aerus, Miele or Sebo?
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These must be new, what market does Sebo cater to though? I've seen them online, but never in a local vacuum retailer. Looks nice/durable, but how readily available can one find the supplies when you run out? (bags, filters, etc.)
Is it better to buy a commmon known brand vs less marketed? Im still leaning with Aerus
These must be new, what market does Sebo cater to though? I've seen them online, but never in a local vacuum retailer. Looks nice/durable, but how readily available can one find the supplies when you run out? (bags, filters, etc.)
Is it better to buy a commmon known brand vs less marketed? Im still leaning with Aerus
kirbylux77
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RS, thanks for posting the information about the Sebo D Professional. I already knew this though, as I have visited their website. It's nice to see that Sebo has thought of making a longer cord & hose for their vacuums....I have never cared for the short hoses that Miele uses on their vacuums. As for the waterlift ratings, all I know is this is what was published on the www.sebo.us website....who knows, maybe the suction is closer to my Airbelt C3.1, which is around 90 to 95 inches Waterlift. In either case, I would live with the slightly lower suction....I would rather have the longer cord, hose, bigger bags & better quality.
George, I would rather take a lesser-known brand that is commercial grade, rather than take a well-known brand that is household grade. If this had been the case of a household brand that was lesser-known, then I would say go for the Electrolux, but that's not the case here. Sebo is primarily in the residential market, but has also built a VERY GOOD reputation in the commercial market, so much so that the Windsor & Sebo uprights are the first ones thought of....as well as Electrolux Commercial uprights & the Sanitaire uprights. I have also heard that many professional housekeepers use the Sebo D4 & Airbelt C3.1 for their professional cleaning jobs. As far as getting supplies goes, Sebo is the same as Miele....you can get your supplies from the dealer you purchased the vacuum from, or you can order supplies directly from Sebo's website with a credit card.
I would suggest that you go have a look at the D4 yourself, & see what you think of it. I think if you give it a fair chance to compare the performance & quality to the Miele S5 & Electrolux models, you will be impressed. As far as I'm concerned, I am impressed enough with Sebo that once my 2 Miele vacuums die, I won't be replacing them with another Miele....I will be going with Sebo instead.
Rob
George, I would rather take a lesser-known brand that is commercial grade, rather than take a well-known brand that is household grade. If this had been the case of a household brand that was lesser-known, then I would say go for the Electrolux, but that's not the case here. Sebo is primarily in the residential market, but has also built a VERY GOOD reputation in the commercial market, so much so that the Windsor & Sebo uprights are the first ones thought of....as well as Electrolux Commercial uprights & the Sanitaire uprights. I have also heard that many professional housekeepers use the Sebo D4 & Airbelt C3.1 for their professional cleaning jobs. As far as getting supplies goes, Sebo is the same as Miele....you can get your supplies from the dealer you purchased the vacuum from, or you can order supplies directly from Sebo's website with a credit card.
I would suggest that you go have a look at the D4 yourself, & see what you think of it. I think if you give it a fair chance to compare the performance & quality to the Miele S5 & Electrolux models, you will be impressed. As far as I'm concerned, I am impressed enough with Sebo that once my 2 Miele vacuums die, I won't be replacing them with another Miele....I will be going with Sebo instead.
Rob
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I Tried one out , it felt cheap and hard to push . Even when i lowered the suction. I wouldnt buy one ever. Aerus and miele all the way. Why go out to buy vacuum bags , web someone can bring them to you.
I Tried one out , it felt cheap and hard to push . Even when i lowered the suction. I wouldnt buy one ever. Aerus and miele all the way. Why go out to buy vacuum bags , web someone can bring them to you.
sebo_fan
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Which was the one you tried, though Josh? You must be in a minority if you think Sebo's feel cheap- they didn't get a GHI award for nothing - and the K series was the FIRST compact vacuum cleaner to get that award. Not UK GHI because we don't really have the GHI award - that comes from the U.S Also I'd be interested to know how you found it difficult to push - as I've noted with my own experience of Miele vacuums, I never got around to trying a C series canister by SEBO because my own S571 was about the same weight anyway and didn't ever feel the need, even though the C series canister would be cheaper to run because they use the same dust bags as the Windsor Sensor.
Rob - I don't know about the U.S but I use Ebay.co.uk for SEBO consumables. I guess it will only be time until they become available on the U.S arm of EBay.
As far as I understand it, the U.S got the Windsor Sensor uprights first as well as the other commercial SEBO upright vacuums before they entered the market with SEBO alone doing the C canister range. I can recall the earlier U.S SEBO site only displaying the C and K machines before the Felix came along.
Rob - I don't know about the U.S but I use Ebay.co.uk for SEBO consumables. I guess it will only be time until they become available on the U.S arm of EBay.
As far as I understand it, the U.S got the Windsor Sensor uprights first as well as the other commercial SEBO upright vacuums before they entered the market with SEBO alone doing the C canister range. I can recall the earlier U.S SEBO site only displaying the C and K machines before the Felix came along.
kirbyloverdan
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Being a vacuum collector
owning over 300+ High end and D2D models there is only one Sebo I like and its the Essential G with out the automatic height adjustment . I can afford to buy any vacuum out there and buy every vacuum I want when a new one comes out. I always buy what ever I like but this is the first High end vacuum I will pass on . I think it is the ugliest vacuum ever made and why is it so large ? You would need a lot of closet space just to store that monster . I feel any Aerus/Electrolux that can be found on eBay at excellent prices would be a much better vacuum than that Sebo .
owning over 300+ High end and D2D models there is only one Sebo I like and its the Essential G with out the automatic height adjustment . I can afford to buy any vacuum out there and buy every vacuum I want when a new one comes out. I always buy what ever I like but this is the first High end vacuum I will pass on . I think it is the ugliest vacuum ever made and why is it so large ? You would need a lot of closet space just to store that monster . I feel any Aerus/Electrolux that can be found on eBay at excellent prices would be a much better vacuum than that Sebo .
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Well
Not everyone has the money. I dont , i just won a navigtor.
Not everyone has the money. I dont , i just won a navigtor.
sebo_fan
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Well each to their own. Having collected vacuums since I was a student and younger back then I was of the same mind as to why anyone would spend that much money on a vacuum cleaner. You will learn later in life that there are brands out there who are better than the established names that everyone knows - though Miele vacuums are hardly cheap and are priced far more expensively than Sebo.
Sebo
I have to agree I think the Sebo is quite odd looking after checking them out. That D4 is way too big for my place. The Miele and Sebo canister I think are priced about the same, by looking at the website. Miele Callisto $899 & Sebo D4 $899
I believe the Miele is more readily available here in the U.S. than Sebo.
I have to agree I think the Sebo is quite odd looking after checking them out. That D4 is way too big for my place. The Miele and Sebo canister I think are priced about the same, by looking at the website. Miele Callisto $899 & Sebo D4 $899
I believe the Miele is more readily available here in the U.S. than Sebo.
fantomlightning
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My Vote...
Miele... A range of cleaners to suit everyones budget, a large array of tools available made by WW, best filtration on the market, high quality and reliability, and all models of canister are of a decent size... I just can't even imagine working with that giant, bulky D4... A Sebo upright maybe... but I'd still rather take the Miele for just being more pleasant to work with. And as for Aerus... I'll go with the all metal Perfect clone...
Miele... A range of cleaners to suit everyones budget, a large array of tools available made by WW, best filtration on the market, high quality and reliability, and all models of canister are of a decent size... I just can't even imagine working with that giant, bulky D4... A Sebo upright maybe... but I'd still rather take the Miele for just being more pleasant to work with. And as for Aerus... I'll go with the all metal Perfect clone...
sebo_fan
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The D series isn't going to be for everyone, but it's the next logical step up for anyone who needs a Miele S5 with a bigger amount of power cord. The body of the Miele S5 = Height 22.6cm by Width 27.5cm by Length 48.7cm. The SEBO D has height of 25cm by Width 37cm and Length 49cm. But on top of that the SEBO also has a slightly higher motor outwith the motor built into the PN on the D4 series.
Another alternative is the Bosch BSGL5 series, but I don't know if you can buy that in the U.S I had one but the quality was disappointing, also having to put up with friction fit tools, hose and handle. The machine's main body was well designed except for the tool caddy at the top housing only two poor quality plastic tools and a Nike inspired plastic strip air bumper that seemed to show up scratches very well despite claiming to protect furniture and the machine itself. The BSGL5 comes with a 9.5 metre power cord and a 5 litre dust bag, bigger than Miele's current S5 series.
Another alternative is the Bosch BSGL5 series, but I don't know if you can buy that in the U.S I had one but the quality was disappointing, also having to put up with friction fit tools, hose and handle. The machine's main body was well designed except for the tool caddy at the top housing only two poor quality plastic tools and a Nike inspired plastic strip air bumper that seemed to show up scratches very well despite claiming to protect furniture and the machine itself. The BSGL5 comes with a 9.5 metre power cord and a 5 litre dust bag, bigger than Miele's current S5 series.
fantomlightning
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Or you could always just get an extension cord... I totally understand and agree that for such a premium machine that the S5 should have a longer cord... But for the love of god just use an extension cord. I just feel many people make waaaayyyy too big a deal of it something that has a very simple solution.
williamr1248
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Aerus,Miele or Sebo
I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one.
But an extention cord on a high end vacuum? No thanks.
That is a big deal to me. The machine I use every day has a long enough cord to clean the whole downstairs. I don't want to be moving furniture every day or looking for an extensionn cord.
To add insult to the customer, the Miele's I have looked at had a short hose too.
That said-if I paid under $100.00 for a plastic upright I would not gripe.
The same fault with the Aerus. The new machine has a much shorter power cord than my Electrolux Epic 8000 and you are paying a premium price for the Lux too. I have read over and over and over again when customers give a review of their Miele's that they wish it had a longer power cord and longer hose.
It is a simple thing but it would be a deal breaker for me. I am hoping the new S8 Series will have some improvements with the power cord,hose and nicer attachments.
The Sebo looks nice but you would have to have the right house to make it work. It would seem like pulling a suitcase around the house compared to the narrow Lux tank style.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one.
But an extention cord on a high end vacuum? No thanks.
That is a big deal to me. The machine I use every day has a long enough cord to clean the whole downstairs. I don't want to be moving furniture every day or looking for an extensionn cord.
To add insult to the customer, the Miele's I have looked at had a short hose too.
That said-if I paid under $100.00 for a plastic upright I would not gripe.
The same fault with the Aerus. The new machine has a much shorter power cord than my Electrolux Epic 8000 and you are paying a premium price for the Lux too. I have read over and over and over again when customers give a review of their Miele's that they wish it had a longer power cord and longer hose.
It is a simple thing but it would be a deal breaker for me. I am hoping the new S8 Series will have some improvements with the power cord,hose and nicer attachments.
The Sebo looks nice but you would have to have the right house to make it work. It would seem like pulling a suitcase around the house compared to the narrow Lux tank style.
fantomlightning
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"I don't want to... Be looking for an extension cord" Said extension cord could simply be stored with the machine... As for the part about moving furniture I don't see what that has to do with the Miele cord. Unless you directed that toward the size of the D4? And as for "But an extension cord on a high end vacuum? No thanks." Isn't that just a tad bit absurd? I mean we both agree it should be longer... But for the quality, ease of use, large array of tools, and unrivaled filtration you get its really a minor fault...
williamr1248
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Aerus,Miele or Sebo,
Zach,
Please re read my post.
On this one,we can AGREE to disagree. I also have a Dyson canister that has a short cord and short hose. It is just a feature that I would want and expect on an expensive machine.
What I am talking about moving the furniture is to plug and unplug the machine multiple times during daily use.
It is not "absurd" to me, just something I would need to work in my house.
No one perfect machine for every application. So what might seem "absurb" to you might be a problem for another user.
I would just make another selection or brand with a longer power cord. No big deal. It's just a vacuum.
I am sure Miele will correct it along with the short hose on the new S8 machines as I have seen it come up many times from Miele owners.
Zach,
Please re read my post.
On this one,we can AGREE to disagree. I also have a Dyson canister that has a short cord and short hose. It is just a feature that I would want and expect on an expensive machine.
What I am talking about moving the furniture is to plug and unplug the machine multiple times during daily use.
It is not "absurd" to me, just something I would need to work in my house.
No one perfect machine for every application. So what might seem "absurb" to you might be a problem for another user.
I would just make another selection or brand with a longer power cord. No big deal. It's just a vacuum.
I am sure Miele will correct it along with the short hose on the new S8 machines as I have seen it come up many times from Miele owners.
sebo_fan
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Yes.. well, an extension cord isn't practical unless you live on your own and leave the extension cord lying around in the hope you won't trip over it. Miele do make an extension hose which I bought - it is a good idea adding 1.5 metres onto the existing Miele hose, but even at that it isn't practical and it adds weight onto the already heavy Miele tubes and in the case of the purchase being for my Miele S6, heavier to put up with the AirTeq floor head that it comes with. The extension hose also reduces suction power when it is stretched out, has metal coils which spring the hose back all too readily and it doesn't last as a result.
I'd say since I started to buy Miele vacuums since the 1990's (and well before I ever bought a Sebo likewise canister) that a few of their models are good, but they're not all good. They are a bigger company than Sebo, dealing in other household appliances but that doesn't mean they're necessarily better, despite their high prices.
One example is their washing machine ranges - NONE of them have Direct Drive - and yet my LG has that fitted as standard and the features on the machine I have are superb for an 8 year old design. Previously my family had a whole series of washers from Hoover, Bendix and at one point, a Philips. They all began to have problems with the drum belts. I did look at Miele but I couldn't live with the features that any of their range have, even though they do have a "online update program" feature where a computer with net connection can be tagged up to the Miele washer to get updates. All very technological but when a premium priced product still uses a drive belt to turn a drum that will eventually wear down with use, I'm glad I went with LG.
I'd say since I started to buy Miele vacuums since the 1990's (and well before I ever bought a Sebo likewise canister) that a few of their models are good, but they're not all good. They are a bigger company than Sebo, dealing in other household appliances but that doesn't mean they're necessarily better, despite their high prices.
One example is their washing machine ranges - NONE of them have Direct Drive - and yet my LG has that fitted as standard and the features on the machine I have are superb for an 8 year old design. Previously my family had a whole series of washers from Hoover, Bendix and at one point, a Philips. They all began to have problems with the drum belts. I did look at Miele but I couldn't live with the features that any of their range have, even though they do have a "online update program" feature where a computer with net connection can be tagged up to the Miele washer to get updates. All very technological but when a premium priced product still uses a drive belt to turn a drum that will eventually wear down with use, I'm glad I went with LG.
