A Very Poorly Written "Article" Regarding The Hoover Vortex

[beko1987]

A cut up dyson sponge filter is a great upgrade to the original 'filter'

I do like mine though, it does perform well on carpets, certainly has an 'Acivator' feel to it, shame the airflow isnt up to much



http://manchestervacs.co.uk/DysonForum/index.php/topic,1346.0.html

 

[vintagerepairer]

Turbo500 is quite correct - when the original Vortex cleaners (three models) went on sale they were all the same colour, except for the colour of some of the buttons (I recall the base model having black buttons). I remember this well, as the bland black & grey colours were not the usual style for Hoover and certainly were rather dull when compared to the brightly coloured Dysons they hoped to compete with.

THe base model had no cordwinder. The TOL did. I am not sure what the difference with the mid-range model was, except to say my recolection is that it had a cordwinder but lower level of filtration. Note that the V2001 has a replaceable filter - as has been said already the original range was without replacement, only maintainence.

Also the Vortex as it was originally was around for such a short time when compared others, before they had to come off sale.

 

[vintagerepairer]

Further to what I wrote above, I cannot find anything on the internet about the third model of Vortex other than the V2001 already mentioned. The video in this thread does show three Vortex cleaners but it is impossible to see if they are all the same or not.

Hoover certainly launched three models when the Vortex was launched - whilst all are scarce, I think the autoflex and none autoflex were the most popular on sale.

 

[sensotronic]

Here's an interesting programme about how the Vortex was designed and marketed.

 

[ralph123]

I enjoyed Tom's article. Perhaps one of you can write your own version to share.

http://www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?14980

 

[alexhoovers94]

It is not correct and he shouldn't be passing false judgement on cleaners that were not sold or marketed in the US and had nothing to do with US Hoover.


 


And yes, I could of written a better article, considering I appear to know more about Hoover UK when it comes to OUR products! In a way, I am slightly offended by this article.

 

[vintagerepairer]

To be fair Alex, it's really not worth being offended over. Being offended is a choice we all make and if you are going to be offended it's best to choose something that was aimed at you personally, a personal attack of a cause you defend, or a group you belong to. But not this. I am fairly sure the author didn't write the article to offend anyone, not least you or I.

The world is full of incorrect information, in many cases deliberately so in order to please the audience who pays to read it. The Daily Mail for instance.

 

[alexhoovers94]

perhaps, "Angered" would of been a better choice of words.

 

[vintagerepairer]

But why? Everyday one hears on the news of people being killed. I could understand if that made you angry. You're a young man with a long life ahead of you, don't waste your youth on being angry. I don't expect you to take any notice of what I just said of course, hell I am not sure I would when I was your age, but trust me, time moves at a pace and there's only so much you can do each day.

 

[alexhoovers94]

Why study what I said so critically? and not just take it with a pinch of salt?


I won't loose sleep over it. I guess if you like something and it was a part of your community and someone from outside that community salters it, incorrectly, I would have reason to feel annoyed, surely?

 

[vintagerepairer]

Anger is a very dangerous and indeed selfish emotion. That's what I didn't take what you said with a pinch of salt. I grew up around anger you see and as a result had mild anger issues myself. However, I had to learn to deal with it as unfourtunatly there were not the excellent services avaliable to me back then as there would be now. I wasted a lot of my life and pushed people away because I could get angry. Thankfully by the time I was 30 I had all but dealt with it.

I could easily find things that might offend or indeed anger me, were I to look for them and then decide to react accordingly. I don't - look for them or react to it. There's no point.

Indeed on other occasions knowing I am right in the face of something that is obviously wrong is enough for me. A sense of internal smugness that I could have done better than the other party, or that the other party hasn't a clue how stupid they sound. I learnt to pat myself on the back metaphorically for my own good behaviour, rather than get angry at someone else's shortcomings. Afterall, none of us are really fit to judge anything. Life is so subjective.

 

[alexhoovers94]

to be fair...

You just judged me.


 


I didn't say it out of the blue, that I could right a better article, I was responding to another member.


 


I am not truly angry or offended, I was using it in a rhetorical fashion.


 


I notice, you use your age to belittle the younger generation here, I am 21, how stupid do you think I am.

 

[vintagerepairer]

I am assuming that is a rehtorical question too, so I won't answer it, I will simply bid you good evening.

 

[alexhoovers94]

My point exactly.

 

[turbo500]

Oh Alex, you really will argue with anybody, won't you?

 

[alexhoovers94]

like I said, pinch of salt.

 

[ralph123]

Since you claimed that Tom's article was poorly written, the onus is on you to clearly document what is wrong with it. If you claim his facts are wrong, please provide some evidence. Do you have any proof that the Hoover copy filtered better than the Dyson, or are you just making that up? Surely you have some references to some Which? reports or something to back up your claims.

 

[gottahaveahoove]

I love to read articles about the Hoover Company

I've read volumes at tHe Hoover Historical Society in Ohio. So many articles are there....some including the travel fiasco.... that created havoc in a well-known Company.
Research is so important when writing articles. So many things have been written about Hoover AND many other companies that were untrue, or partially untrue. Some have been corrected or have tried to have been corrected. Still, misinformation goes out into the world. Sadly, if it is not corrected, it becomes truth, legend, etc. You know what they say: "Be careful what you put out there". You might never get it back...OR. it CAN come back to bite you in the a-s.
Any time I've been asked about the company, or a product, I make sure I have all my ducks in a row, as it were. If there's anything I'm unsure about, I go to an expert...the source, if I can. Ann Haines, Tom Anderson, etc....all those people from North Canton, who have been in all of the buildings, in all of the files, books, etc, all throughout the museum, (there's a museum in N. Canton), know the correct data. I, too, have been fortunate to roam through everything, however, I'd NEVER attempt to even say that I knoe a fraction of the info that is out there. I always do my best to speak about subjects honestly and clearly. It's the best we can do when communiacting with others, especially with others who will know more than I.
John

 

[alexhoovers94]

I was not trying to prove anything! I was talking from MY EXPERIENCE. I have owned many early Dyson Cleaners and used the ones I haven't owned, I have also owned a Hoover Vortex and from my experience, less dust build up was found on the filter. I never said I was proving anything or saying anything scientifically.


 


Why do I need to say what is wrong with it, I was just commenting on how badly written it was, in any case, another member, corrected it anyway.


 


There were which reports available at the time that rated the Vortex a better performer to the Dyson, I do believe. Don't quote me on that.

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[turbo500]

the onus is on you to clearly document what is wrong with it

Oh, I'm sorry, what have we been doing for the previous 34 posts?

You also seem to be forgetting that some of us were actually around and in the same country as this particular cleaner when it was launched and quite clearly remember the launch, successes, failures, pro's, con's and of course the well publicised law suit.

Read the whole thread and watch the video that Roger has linked to.

Whilst I don't agree with Alex on certain points, credit where credit is due, he is drawing on his own experience of using this particular cleaner in his home and comparing that with other cleaners used in the same environment for the same job - I can't say fairer than that.