evilvacuumman
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I have a question. Are the Miele upright vacuum sealed systems? I know the canisters are but don't know if the uprights are.
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carolinaguy1996
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They are. Mieles are designed for allergy sufferers. They are very expensive, even if you buy a refurb.
oreck_xl
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Miele uprights IMHO are not their best work. They offer an upright so they don't lose that share of the market, but they're heavy and clunky to use. Kind of like Electrolux - there are some who love the Discovery II and all the variations that followed. But it was always the long tank that made them famous. Stick with a canister if you're interested in a Miele.
evilvacuumman
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Do people just not like them because they are heavy? Do they have any problems in quality? Do they clean as good as the canisters do?
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S7210
I have the blue s7210. It’s a fantastic machine. Cleans very well and is sealed. Unfortunately it is fairly heavy.
I have the blue s7210. It’s a fantastic machine. Cleans very well and is sealed. Unfortunately it is fairly heavy.
The Miele Cat & Dog upright and Jazz upright are two of the very few uprights - along with a Kirby and a Maytag - which are rated “Excellent” for carpet cleaning in Consumer Reports’ tests. Most other uprights in the top of the list only achieved a “Very Good”. So the Mieles definitely guarantee you a very well cleaned carpet - and the swivel head seems to make them easy to maneuver. It’s also got a long cord and easy-to-replace dust bag.
blackheart
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Upright v Canister
While both of them are nice machines the canisters are probably the better cleaners. Why? Airflow. I believe they both use the same, or at least similar. 1200 watt vortex motors.
The uprights will automatically turn themselves down to the low pile setting (2nd most powerful) when the brushroll is switched on. So the measured airflow i've gotten from the baseplate with the brushroll active is 49.82CFM. The air paths in the uprights have many twists and turns which reduces it's flow.
A C3 canister had 64.73CFM at it's base. It's air path is going to be straighter and smoother than the uprights.
Having worked on the uprights I'd kind of like to outline the airpath in one when time (and effort) permits.
While both of them are nice machines the canisters are probably the better cleaners. Why? Airflow. I believe they both use the same, or at least similar. 1200 watt vortex motors.
The uprights will automatically turn themselves down to the low pile setting (2nd most powerful) when the brushroll is switched on. So the measured airflow i've gotten from the baseplate with the brushroll active is 49.82CFM. The air paths in the uprights have many twists and turns which reduces it's flow.
A C3 canister had 64.73CFM at it's base. It's air path is going to be straighter and smoother than the uprights.
Having worked on the uprights I'd kind of like to outline the airpath in one when time (and effort) permits.
Just to put in my two cents.. Yes, most Miele products are very good for allergy sufferers.. however their uprights are HORRIBLE. (my own opinion) They are very awkward, hard to steer, big and clunky, and what I hated most was that swivel neck which made it that much more difficult to maneuver. What was most annoying at the time was that my dealer was really pushing me to get one. Glad I didn't.
If I had to choose between their canisters and uprights, I'd definitely go for the canister, and I'm not really even a canister person.. They're much better designed and have a less complicated air path; which means fewer clogs. I've also heard of several issues about many parts breaking prematurely.. I almost feel as though their uprights need to go back to R&D. I do not recommend!
If I had to choose between their canisters and uprights, I'd definitely go for the canister, and I'm not really even a canister person.. They're much better designed and have a less complicated air path; which means fewer clogs. I've also heard of several issues about many parts breaking prematurely.. I almost feel as though their uprights need to go back to R&D. I do not recommend!
panasonicvac
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I agree with how how heavy and difficult they are to use. And honestly in my opinion, there were some areas on the S7's that felt like it was going to break off like the handle release pedal for example.
vacuumdevil
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The Miele upright is an amazing value! Yes it's sealed system.
But upright Vacuums are typically four people on a budget of course the canister will be better in all ways .
But upright Vacuums are typically four people on a budget of course the canister will be better in all ways .
Meile uprights-have one too,like my KIRBY better--the Kirby has the self propel,and cleans better.The Meile CANISTERS are better than their uprights.They should stick with their canister profiles.
Here is an extensive review of a top-of-the-line UK version of a Miele upright by Roger “Sensotronic” - the North American versions are essentially similar, though have a manual power level dial instead of automatic suction control:
http://https//youtu.be/Vqb_795amO8
http://https//youtu.be/Vqb_795amO8
evilvacuumman
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Thanks you all for your responses. I don't really mind heavy machine. I will go to my local vacuum shop and try out both.
carolinaguy1996
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Miele could very well revive the Powerhouse series one day.
sptyks
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Before you waste your money on a Miele upright vacuum you should watch this video then make up your mind:
alexhoovers94
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"Before you waste your money on a Miele upright vacuum you should watch this video then make up your mind"
I see, but it is without a doubt the Miele is more versatile than the clunky noisy old Kirby.
evilvacuumman
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I am a collector of vacuums. I have many vacuums. I want a miele because every one says they are good and I never owned one. I was thinking about buying one new but I saw one on offer up for $140. It's the dynamic u1 twist. It's in good condition. I am going to check it out this Saturday. I have many Kirby vacuums and they are the best deep cleaner.
I am afraid the Clunky,noisey Kirby is MORE versatile than the Quiet Miele upright.The Kirby can be used to shampoo clean your carpets and bare floors with the Avalir.The Meile cannot.The dirt pickup is precisely why I prefer my Kirby over the Meile upright-yes,feel I wasted my money on the Miele.Again,Miele should stick with their canisters.The Powerhouse uprights made that I saw were a cheap upright marked as a Miele.The upright shown in the Kirby video replaced the Powerhouse.The dealer here did NOT recommend the Powerhouse.Again,those were made by another maker-NOT Miele.
The Miele upright I have has the electronic suction controls.You push the speed control button to adjust the suction power.You can also turn off the roller brush.
henrydreyfuss
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My Miele S7..
is one of the best modern uprights I've ever used. The only Miele canisters that can match the S7's carpet-cleaning performance, are the $1,000+ high-end models that come with their best power nozzle. Miele's upright is highly-maneuverable, and very versatile, without the need for grabbing extra tools that aren't on the machine (excellent hard floor performance too). There's a reason it's still being treated as a benchmark for other uprights, even after being around for nearly a decade.
is one of the best modern uprights I've ever used. The only Miele canisters that can match the S7's carpet-cleaning performance, are the $1,000+ high-end models that come with their best power nozzle. Miele's upright is highly-maneuverable, and very versatile, without the need for grabbing extra tools that aren't on the machine (excellent hard floor performance too). There's a reason it's still being treated as a benchmark for other uprights, even after being around for nearly a decade.
Kirby may be able to do a lot of things, but it's a PITA to put on all those attachments, it's expensive if bought new and it is too high to go under most furniture. They are, however, easy to find used at pennies on the dollar at places such as pawn shops. Used Mieles aren't cheap and they aren't found at pawn shops.
I don't find using the Kirby attachments difficult-better than the tug-o-war hose on the Miele!My Miele languishes at the back of my vacuum collection.My Miele canisters get more use!
alexhoovers94
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That “powerhouse” model was made by Panasonic.
Kirby is good for cleaning lots of open carpet, but it is a nightmare around furniture, putting on the different tools require turning the machine off first, who has the time for that.
Loud, heavy, clunky, outdated, too expensive, inconvenient...The list goes on.
Kirby need to rethink their design, it has been going since the early 90s...They need to make something for the modern user...
Kirby is good for cleaning lots of open carpet, but it is a nightmare around furniture, putting on the different tools require turning the machine off first, who has the time for that.
Loud, heavy, clunky, outdated, too expensive, inconvenient...The list goes on.
Kirby need to rethink their design, it has been going since the early 90s...They need to make something for the modern user...
tseg
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I'm intrigued by both the Kirby and the Miele upright, but I have 3 floors in my house so unless I have one on each floor I have little interest in carrying either up and down stairs. I spent years carrying my DC14 up and down stairs and was so relieved when I made the switch to the easy to carry Miele cannister. Swapping Miele attachments out is so easy. Also, as mentioned, I have lots of low clearance furniture and my my SEB 236 cannister power head just fits under my bed. I don't think either of the uprights offer an easy powered solution for that.
"The Kirby can be used to shampoo clean your carpets"
Yes..
But 'should' you? I don't think I would. Having used the shampooer in the Kirby many times, I would not use that to clean any carpet that cost anything more than builder grade. Just my opinion.
Yes..
But 'should' you? I don't think I would. Having used the shampooer in the Kirby many times, I would not use that to clean any carpet that cost anything more than builder grade. Just my opinion.
sptyks
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The versitle indestructable Kirby
First off, I have used my Kirby Sentria to shampoo my carpets many times and with excellent results every time.
Here are some other facts: The Kirby is made of metal and the Miele is made of plastic. The Kirby will still be in use many years after the Miele has been sent to the junkyard.
Even though the Miele is a plastic machine, it still weighs more than the all metal Kirby.
The Miele has a very complex and convoluted air path making it very prone to clogs. The Kirby is a Direct Air machine and does not suffer from this problem.
The bag latch in the Miele is prone to breaking after just a couple years of use.
The Miele is not a very good deep cleaner whereas the Kirby is a proven deep cleaning machine.
Repair parts for Miele are very expensive and sometime hard to find. Kirby parts are easily obtainable and inexpensive.
These Miele facts are evident in the following Miele Cat & Dog review:
First off, I have used my Kirby Sentria to shampoo my carpets many times and with excellent results every time.
Here are some other facts: The Kirby is made of metal and the Miele is made of plastic. The Kirby will still be in use many years after the Miele has been sent to the junkyard.
Even though the Miele is a plastic machine, it still weighs more than the all metal Kirby.
The Miele has a very complex and convoluted air path making it very prone to clogs. The Kirby is a Direct Air machine and does not suffer from this problem.
The bag latch in the Miele is prone to breaking after just a couple years of use.
The Miele is not a very good deep cleaner whereas the Kirby is a proven deep cleaning machine.
Repair parts for Miele are very expensive and sometime hard to find. Kirby parts are easily obtainable and inexpensive.
These Miele facts are evident in the following Miele Cat & Dog review:
fantomlightning
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Ehhh, Sptyks...
Your Kirby bias is showing... I wouldn't say a Kirby will necessarily still be running when a Miele will be in the junkyard. The amount of Kirbys I've gotten rid of at work that were far beyond repair is pretty high. Kirby parts aren't inexpensive. Are they less than most Miele parts? Sure. But not inexpensive.
I'm not a fan of these Miele uprights by any means as my video shows, they're almost guaranteed to be a mess in the hands of a consumer. Collectors however are a different story. Many issues will be avoided when in the hands of a collector, in fact the only issue I think would be likely to happen to a collector no matter how careful would be the hose collapse.
These are finicky machines, however there is a lot worse on the market. As for those above claiming a Kirby is easier to use, I want some of what you guys are on. The Miele will clean bare floors better with the flick of a switch, still do a decent job on carpet, and have attachments you don't need to run back to the closet for and turn the machine off to put on.
Kirby and Miele uprights are both ok under the right circumstances, and both have their advantages and disadvantages. However, the amount of posts around here as of late consisting of nothing more than "ITS NOT A KIRBY DA KIRBY BETTAR1!!!11" is getting a bit tired...
Your Kirby bias is showing... I wouldn't say a Kirby will necessarily still be running when a Miele will be in the junkyard. The amount of Kirbys I've gotten rid of at work that were far beyond repair is pretty high. Kirby parts aren't inexpensive. Are they less than most Miele parts? Sure. But not inexpensive.
I'm not a fan of these Miele uprights by any means as my video shows, they're almost guaranteed to be a mess in the hands of a consumer. Collectors however are a different story. Many issues will be avoided when in the hands of a collector, in fact the only issue I think would be likely to happen to a collector no matter how careful would be the hose collapse.
These are finicky machines, however there is a lot worse on the market. As for those above claiming a Kirby is easier to use, I want some of what you guys are on. The Miele will clean bare floors better with the flick of a switch, still do a decent job on carpet, and have attachments you don't need to run back to the closet for and turn the machine off to put on.
Kirby and Miele uprights are both ok under the right circumstances, and both have their advantages and disadvantages. However, the amount of posts around here as of late consisting of nothing more than "ITS NOT A KIRBY DA KIRBY BETTAR1!!!11" is getting a bit tired...
alexhoovers94
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Sptyks...You are talking a load of tripe. To be perfectly honest, I wouldn’t recommend either machine.
Miele's cylinder cleaners are much better than their upright model, I think the Miele upright has more cons than pros in comparison.
I say if you want bagless, go for a Dyson, they do it best, if you want a bag then go with Miele or SEBO.
Kirby do have the quality, all be it, not like they used to be by any means! As I said earlier, they really need to update their product and change their sales pitch, because quite frankly, anyone that pays over a grand for that tired old design needs their head testing!
I guess Kirby want to keep their Heritage, but this is 2017, they need to get with the times, or they are going to flounder, in my opinion.
Miele's cylinder cleaners are much better than their upright model, I think the Miele upright has more cons than pros in comparison.
I say if you want bagless, go for a Dyson, they do it best, if you want a bag then go with Miele or SEBO.
Kirby do have the quality, all be it, not like they used to be by any means! As I said earlier, they really need to update their product and change their sales pitch, because quite frankly, anyone that pays over a grand for that tired old design needs their head testing!
I guess Kirby want to keep their Heritage, but this is 2017, they need to get with the times, or they are going to flounder, in my opinion.
