Dyson Piston

[Follettolover]

This isn’t my experience with pets and bagged machine, but I only have 1 dog.

My rough math is one Sebo D4 bag is greater than 56-80 V15 “dumps.” (On week 8, normally weekly V15 cleaning would take 8-10 V15 “dumps,” and I still have room in the first bag) And this isn’t factoring in that I know the Sebo is picking up more stuff than the V15.

Yea but dumping the dyson is free, bags are not and with animals I would definitely consider monetary value, just my personal moral preference

 

[royalfan103]

So you guys actually push the vacuums to their limit in your home. Without enough proper care, huh? Got it.

Where are you getting this from?!

 

[centralsweeper63]

I think the same way too. The D4 has a MASSIVE bag for a residential vacuum.

 

[cheesewonton]

For our home on our hard floors, it is just easier and less messy to vacuum up the dirt and pet hair then use one of those O'Cedar spin mops to mop the floor. Cleaning out one of those wet floor cleaners looks gross. It seems like a way to make a simple chore like mopping the floor expensive and messy.

 

[centralsweeper63]

I use a Vileda spin mop ( the old single chamber type) even though I have a cordless Bissell Crosswave. The Vileda is just a big bucket with a spinny thing build in. The new twin chamber ones put clean water on the brush, spin the brush dry and store the dirty water. Much more simple than an electric thing though.

 

[centralsweeper63]

I can still get pads, handles, heads, etc for my 10 year old mop.

 

[cheesewonton]

I use a Vileda spin mop ( the old single chamber type) even though I have a cordless Bissell Crosswave. The Vileda is just a big bucket with a spinny thing build in. The new twin chamber ones put clean water on the brush, spin the brush dry and store the dirty water. Much more simple than an electric thing though.

That Vileda spin mop looks just like our O'Cedar spin mop. Wouldn't surprise me if they are sold under several different names. Yeah, they work good.

 

[centralsweeper63]

I love that I can wash the pad.

 

[huskyvacs]

Yea but dumping the dyson is free, bags are not and with animals I would definitely consider monetary value, just my personal moral preference

Filters and battery packs are not free. A pack of bags is like $10 every year. Most people go several months on one bag. I am not sure what it is with this generation thinking buying bags is day trading on the stock market. One pack of bags is not going to sink your 401k dude.

 

[huskyvacs]

For our home on our hard floors, it is just easier and less messy to vacuum up the dirt and pet hair then use one of those O'Cedar spin mops to mop the floor. Cleaning out one of those wet floor cleaners looks gross. It seems like a way to make a simple chore like mopping the floor expensive and messy.

I have a textured linoleum floor in my kitchen. I vacuum the floor with a canister vac with a soft brush, then dump down ammonia and warm water with a bit of Tide powder mixed in, then have at it with my junky GE floor scrubber and let it do its thing and get all the dirt up out of the grooves and off the surface. I then go over it with several terrycloth mop pads on a knockoff swiffer mop and get all the excess grey water up. I do a final clean with an all purpose spray cleaner and dry rags by hand to finish off any dirt residue. Then I go over it by hand again with vintage bottle of Brite with the teflon in it (which I have to pay dearly for on eBay) and work the wax into the floor and leave it to dry. End result is a pristine floor that reflects a shiny glare and looks very good.

 

[centralsweeper63]

Try not to scrub down to the asbestos! That sounds intense.

 

[cheesewonton]

I love that I can wash the pad.

I didn't even know about spin mops until visiting relatives in Shanghai. Everyone uses spin mops there but they are very different. The handle works up and down like a plunger in a threaded sleeve that spins the mop in the bucket as you push the handle up and down. With the O'Cedar spin mop a pedal on the bucket spins the basket so the mop handle is solid. Much nicer and so far ours has stood up seven or eight years. Either way it beats the old style mop and bucket with that bit lever to squeeze the water out of the mop.

 

[centralsweeper63]

Back to an earlier topic, my clumsy self just spilt a whole cup of flour (and some!), my Kirby handled it in upright mode. Love to see a Dyson try this statistically unimportant problem.

 

[Absolute Rainbow]

Where are you getting this from?!

Common sense.

Back to an earlier topic, my clumsy self just spilt a whole cup of flour (and some!), my Kirby handled it in upright mode. Love to see a Dyson try this statistically unimportant problem.

If a Kirby can handle it, then a Dyson can handle it.

 

[centralsweeper63]

Pah, my stick vacuums have all thrown a fit after brushing one dog. Fine, have it your way, we could crowd-fund raise the $1,800 for a V16, then I will prove I am right. Also, my Kirby happens to still work great and clean really well after that cup of flour. I am using bags from the 90s by the way. Paper, designed for the G4.

 

[Absolute Rainbow]

Okay, everyone (@vac14012, @cheesewonton, @frickhelm, @centralsweeper63, @Hatsuwr, etc.), I have a big update to my hypothesis. I got Gemini 3 Pro, and like previously I've constantly corrected the AI to get to a fixed conclusion.
The problem still apparently has to do with the connectors, but the proposed fix is now tightening the data pins to fix it, instead of blocking it as the 2.5 Pro version proposed. That old solution isn't considered viable because it would cause communication errors. (Oh, and V16 got firmware update already).

I don't know. @centralsweeper63, I can't really interact with Vacuum Facts directly anymore. It's as if he's banned. And yet I only saw that his profile is there but limited, so... he might be temporarily banned.

I asked @Alan what happened because I'm worried about @Vacuum Facts' account.

@centralsweeper63 @royalfan103 @cheesewonton @vac14012 @Follettolover

Pah, my stick vacuums have all thrown a fit after brushing one dog. Fine, have it your way, we could crowd-fund raise the $1,800 for a V16, then I will prove I am right. Also, my Kirby happens to still work great and clean really well after that cup of flour. I am using bags from the 90s by the way. Paper, designed for the G4.

 

[centralsweeper63]

Did you mean to have a message. To me it appears you attached 2 quotes and linked 5 people in. Did the message not load on my end?

 

[centralsweeper63]

Also, I don't really push my vacuums to the limit, it is just a family. Baking, lots of baking, dogs, farm/rural life, etc. Today I came in after clambering around in a 25,000 litre pond fixxing the pump, brought in a mess, cleaned it up, baked, which resulted in a full cup of flour on the floor and then groomed the dogs. This is amongst all the other things around the property. I used 1 vacuum toclean all this up. A trusty old Kirby.

 

[Follettolover]

Filters and battery packs are not free. A pack of bags is like $10 every year. Most people go several months on one bag. I am not sure what it is with this generation thinking buying bags is day trading on the stock market. One pack of bags is not going to sink your 401k dude.

You can't compare batteries with the bags, batteries degrade after years, bags need to be changed every month (obviously not all, it depends on the use and model) those of the Vorwerk that have the integrated hepa cost 52€ and you have to change them before they’re completely full because they lose suction having a dog, it's not an easy world and you can't find money on the trees besides the fact that they pollute a lot
It's a matter of principle, even if a bag can last me three months why paying even once if I can empty a vacuum cleaner for free and with environmental Awareness?

 

[huskyvacs]

You can't compare batteries with the bags, batteries degrade after years, bags need to be changed every month (obviously not all, it depends on the use and model) those of the Vorwerk that have the integrated hepa cost 52€ and you have to change them before they’re completely full because they lose suction having a dog, it's not an easy world and you can't find money on the trees besides the fact that they pollute a lot
It's a matter of principle, even if a bag can last me three months why paying even once if I can empty a vacuum cleaner for free and with environmental Awareness?

Not comparing them to bags. Comparing them to expense. A bagless vacuum, and a Dyson, is not free, as you claimed. You still have to buy parts for it all the time. Also if you cared about environmental awareness, you would not buy a vacuum that uses toxic batteries that cannot be replaced and require the entire vacuum to be thrown in a skip and pollute the landfills for 100's of years. HEPA bags also do not lose suction, and if some sub-$1,000 vacuum loses suction on a bag full of dog hair then you admit that that vacuum is just a pile of junk then, innit laddie?

 

[cheesewonton]

I don't see a bagless vacuum being much of an improvement over the old shake out bag vacuums common when I was a lot younger. I always detested emptying them. As for the environmental impact, all the shmuts along with used filters ends up in the landfill either way but I don't have to suffer a cloud of dust changing a bag vs dumping a bagless vacuum.

 

[cheesewonton]

I don't see a bagless vacuum being much of an improvement over the old shake out bag vacuums common when I was a lot younger. I always detested emptying them. As for the environmental impact, all the shmuts along with used filters ends up in the landfill either way but I don't have to suffer a cloud of dust changing a bag vs dumping a bagless vacuum. The battery operated vacuums don't have the run time I need for even a quick clean of our home. They are useless to me. With pretty much any Kenmore, Tristar, Patriot, some Panasonics or the Vapamore ( Crapamore ) I can do all my quick cleaning from one plug. That works for me.

 

[Follettolover]

Not comparing them to bags. Comparing them to expense. A bagless vacuum, and a Dyson, is not free, as you claimed. You still have to buy parts for it all the time. Also if you cared about environmental awareness, you would not buy a vacuum that uses toxic batteries that cannot be replaced and require the entire vacuum to be thrown in a skip and pollute the landfills for 100's of years. HEPA bags also do not lose suction, and if some sub-$1,000 vacuum loses suction on a bag full of dog hair then you admit that that vacuum is just a pile of junk then, innit laddie?

Yea, of course no product is free of charge (for now) but the maintenance costs of a Dyson are lower as the filters are washable and last almost a year if used correctly, a cable vacuum cleaner consumes a lot of power and nowadays everything has increased in price including electricity costs, the batteries are disposed of in special places according to the SLa RAEE while the bags are thrown everywhere, even on the streets if people are disgusting

 

[Follettolover]

I don't see a bagless vacuum being much of an improvement over the old shake out bag vacuums common when I was a lot younger. I always detested emptying them. As for the environmental impact, all the shmuts along with used filters ends up in the landfill either way but I don't have to suffer a cloud of dust changing a bag vs dumping a bagless vacuum.

I Can totally understand, but (at least for me) I never had cloud of dust emptying the bin, I don’t even touch the dirt anymore with my hands and i don’t have superpowers to do that; modern bagless are very hygienic, also it’s like the mop thing, I’d prefer a little cloud instead of polluting the planet and wasting money on bags, just like a prefer a normal mop over electronic useless machine to mop my floors