Dyson Piston

[herbicide]

Your comment is mostly riddled with inaccuracies and falsehoods that are unsupported by evidence. Sadly, I too commonly observe this.

The conical brushbars bring clear advantages. The V16's performance issues are unrelated to that technology. The only thing you've said I agree with is that there's no way they couldn't be aware of the performance issues, and that's why I'm unhappy with them this generation. But there's no evidence or reason why they'll move away from conical brushbars. They've been using them since the V15 and there are already copycats (Panasonic). There are no cleaning heads I'm aware of that offer effective detangling without drawbacks or weaknesses, and I've evidenced as much in my reviews. Edge cleaning is excellent on the V16 in real world situations. The central unswept path has no significant impact in real-world conditions and I've quantified this directly, unlike others. Not sure what uneven brush speeds against the floor even means, and I'm aware of no evidence of any issues here, or I'd be all over it.

It's amazing how genuine weaknesses in a product are unidentified and thus ignored but their negative effects that are apparent to those who don't appear to understand are used to peddle myths and nonsense to mystically fill in the knowledge gap. It's amazing watching the disease memetically spread in real time. Bad actors are also easily identifiable as superspreaders of nonsense.

I can find a lot of faults in my V15 but the anti tangle aspect of the brushroll is not one of those faults. The anti tangle comb works. Coming from a house with 3x long hair females and 1x dog, It works extremely well in the tangle department.

The reviews/test show a performance issues in comparison to the V15 head and whether or not these are real world or not it is going to take a whole lot of mental gymnastics to argue otherwise.
Is the V15 head perfect in this regard, no. Are the tests/reviews perfect in their procedures, also no. They certainly tell a story and that story tells me that I wouldn't trade my V15 head for one of those.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

I'll just agree to disagree. With the exception of Parwaz video obviously , I don't feel like any of the tests i've seen are super outrageous. And if you have to modify the cleaner head or vacuum in some way for it to work properly then that's a huge failure. I guarantee the cleaner head design will be changed in some way, and if Dyson wanted some good PR when they do, they should apologize and offer a new head free of charge for people who bought the V16 early.

Sadly the way the company is going lately they might just dig in their heels. Or just silently discontinue it like the Cinetic Uprights.

They're not super outrageous. But they are not representative of real-world and introduce the issues they complain about that are not present in real-world use. That's the important part people don't seem to understand. There are clear physical mechanisms for this and it's easily observable and fact-checkable, and the evidence is already out there. Dyson deserve criticism, but I'm going to call out when it isn't given or correct—both sadly all there is in reviews currently and it's misleading the susceptible. The cleaner head will change, but not in the way or for reasons suggested so far, which are dripping with ignorance. No review has yet identified the problems or understood the bigger picture.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

I can find a lot of faults in my V15 but the anti tangle aspect of the brushroll is not one of those faults. The anti tangle comb works. Coming from a house with 3x long hair females and 1x dog, It works extremely well in the tangle department.

It does work. But there are drawbacks to that approach to the technology, which is why they've done away with it.

The reviews/test show a performance issues in comparison to the V15 head and whether or not these are real world or not it is going to take a whole lot of mental gymnastics to argue otherwise.
Is the V15 head perfect in this regard, no. Are the tests/reviews perfect in their procedures, also no. They certainly tell a story and that story tells me that I wouldn't trade my V15 head for one of those.

The tests reach the correct conclusion for completely the wrong reason. This allows nonsense to spread in to justify what's observed. The V15 head is not perfect and the technologies in the V16 head advance on it. But dyson did something on their machine I still can't believe or understand that undermined it all. It is correctable. There's a much bigger and interesting story behind the V16 that no one has noticed.

 

[herbicide]

In other, simple terms I believe the V16 brushroll to be mostly a marketing gimmick; to optically differentiate it from the previous generation. Now I'd say there are some nice features ('kompressor', the wand features) that are nice, but they don't provide the 'visual' that the brushroll does.

However personally after the struggles I've had with my V15 (smells, amount of maintenance) I would not even begin to consider any bagless units without easily cleanable/serviceable cyclones/etc.

 

[vac14012]

I always thought a good idea was for a reverse feature on a bagless vacuum that would blow air out through the cyclones and dislodge anything back into the bin.

In theory if you could turn the feature on every time before emptying the machine you wouldn't have any excess build up.

Could also potentially clean filters that way.

 

[centralsweeper63]

I think that the average consumer will see all this bad press. It really doesn't matter in my opinion how basic the test is. If you want to weigh it so carefully that's single breeze will throw it off balance, that is fine. Not to imply that this is a bad thing though. For example, if you were in a Godfrey's testing vacuums using a bit of sand that you measured by eye and one machine didn't do a good job and left a large amount behind then another picked it all up you would be more likely to buy the better performer. It isn't scientific by any stretch of the imagination, though it is good enough to know that one cleans better than the other.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

In other, simple terms I believe the V16 brushroll to be mostly a marketing gimmick; to optically differentiate it from the previous generation.

This is at odds with reality unfortunately. It does reveal why the reviews currently out there are poor and do a disservice. There are clear and quantifiable advantages to this head. Sadly, they're not easy to appreciate since Dyson's messed up and all people who cosmetically review can see is the relatively reduced performance.

However personally after the struggles I've had with my V15 (smells, amount of maintenance) I would not even begin to consider any bagless units without easily cleanable/serviceable cyclones/etc.

I've never understood why some people struggle so much. Many don't.

 

[herbicide]

I think that the average consumer will see all this bad press. It really doesn't matter in my opinion how basic the test is. If you want to weigh it so carefully that's single breeze will throw it off balance, that is fine. Not to imply that this is a bad thing though. For example, if you were in a Godfrey's testing vacuums using a bit of sand that you measured by eye and one machine didn't do a good job and left a large amount behind then another picked it all up you would be more likely to buy the better performer. It isn't scientific by any stretch of the imagination, though it is good enough to know that one cleans better than the other.

I think the vast majority of people buying these don't do much if any research at all, so they'll automatically assume the newest biggest baddest most expensive version must be the best.