vintagehoover
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Rob - your picture didn't work! Could you repost it?
You Cannot Clean by Suction Alone! – a shocking photo play by Jack Copp
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rolls_rapide
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Quadraflex
Yes!
That was fitted to our Hoover 'Turbolite' uprights ( two models: one with a separate 'pan-converter' tool set, one without. Honey beige colour scheme). Circa 1988.
They were imported from America. I think they were similar to your Elites.
"Which?" magazine said the British Hoovers cleaned better than the USA 'Turbolite'.
Yes!
That was fitted to our Hoover 'Turbolite' uprights ( two models: one with a separate 'pan-converter' tool set, one without. Honey beige colour scheme). Circa 1988.
They were imported from America. I think they were similar to your Elites.
"Which?" magazine said the British Hoovers cleaned better than the USA 'Turbolite'.
AMEN, Rex!
Rex/tolivac said "If you must use the beater bars on a roller brush bar-please use the POLISHED METAL ones only-no plastic.Plastic bars can be nicked,cracked or broken if they hit something hard like a coin or peice of gravel-than the nicked or broken bar becomes a carpet DESTRUCTION tool!"
This bears repeating. Plastic WILL get nicked, as well as over time, and heat -- hairline cracks and ridges. When spinning at vacuum RPM's, it may as well be a series of razor blades. This is deadly on Berber-style or close-loop carpeting.
Polished metal only. Make sure to inspect it often too, for nicks, burs and such, especially if you hit a coin or something hard.
John
Rex/tolivac said "If you must use the beater bars on a roller brush bar-please use the POLISHED METAL ones only-no plastic.Plastic bars can be nicked,cracked or broken if they hit something hard like a coin or peice of gravel-than the nicked or broken bar becomes a carpet DESTRUCTION tool!"
This bears repeating. Plastic WILL get nicked, as well as over time, and heat -- hairline cracks and ridges. When spinning at vacuum RPM's, it may as well be a series of razor blades. This is deadly on Berber-style or close-loop carpeting.
Polished metal only. Make sure to inspect it often too, for nicks, burs and such, especially if you hit a coin or something hard.
John
rolls_rapide
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Turbolite
Here is a pic, courtesy 'Turbopowerpaul'
Here is a pic, courtesy 'Turbopowerpaul'
rolls_rapide
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Suction alone doesn't clean
This I can attest to, as I once cleaned a neighbour's carpet with a shampooer extraction machine. She had a synthetic, short, looped pile lounge carpet. She had only ever used cylinder cleaners, and the mud that came out of that carpet was unbelievable.
Before I cleaned her hall carpet (identical to lounge), I ran a Hoover 'Turbopower 3' over it. I got out at least one full bag of brown soil - the type you could plant potatoes in! The 'Autosense' feature was working overtime.
This I can attest to, as I once cleaned a neighbour's carpet with a shampooer extraction machine. She had a synthetic, short, looped pile lounge carpet. She had only ever used cylinder cleaners, and the mud that came out of that carpet was unbelievable.
Before I cleaned her hall carpet (identical to lounge), I ran a Hoover 'Turbopower 3' over it. I got out at least one full bag of brown soil - the type you could plant potatoes in! The 'Autosense' feature was working overtime.
rolls_rapide
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Jack
You could have used a Hoover with cloth bag and metal beaters (e.g. 612, 912). There wouldn't have been any cost either, and even less emptying.
A Hoover 'Turbopower' or 'Turbomaster' would make the carpet look even better. They were designed to reactivate the carpet pile.
You could have used a Hoover with cloth bag and metal beaters (e.g. 612, 912). There wouldn't have been any cost either, and even less emptying.
A Hoover 'Turbopower' or 'Turbomaster' would make the carpet look even better. They were designed to reactivate the carpet pile.
kirbymodel2c
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Sorry Jack I still diasgree with you and its not to me being Kirby conditioned!!
If anything I could say the same about you with you being a big Hoover fan!!
James
If anything I could say the same about you with you being a big Hoover fan!!
James
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Rolls_rapide - I wouldn't fancy scraping all that loose fibre off the inside of a shake-out bag. I do this cleaning all day, every day - I don't have time to mess around with shake-out bags! Also, you can't compare the filtration of a shake-out bag with modern filtration systems. Rightly or wrongly, if I turned up at someone's house to clean with a 50-year old Hoover, they'd laugh!
I was under the impression that 'Quadraflex' was the commercial brush-roll with 4 rows of bristles (hence Quad-); the Turbolite has one row of bristles and one beater.
I was under the impression that 'Quadraflex' was the commercial brush-roll with 4 rows of bristles (hence Quad-); the Turbolite has one row of bristles and one beater.
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'Sorry Jack I still diasgree with you and its not to me being Kirby conditioned!!
If anything I could say the same about you with you being a big Hoover fan!!'
Ok, show me some evidence supporting your claim, then. Show me the Hoover damages carpets.
If anything I could say the same about you with you being a big Hoover fan!!'
Ok, show me some evidence supporting your claim, then. Show me the Hoover damages carpets.
Vintagehoover
Quadraflex agitator has 4 brushes & 4 PLASTIC beater bars; they were used since Concept 1 here in the USA. The beaters are actually 'brush stiffeners' that's why they did so much better getting more dirt & hair out of carpets than the 2 brush vacs. Later Hoover USA changed the roller 2 a spiral shaped roller & did away w/beater bars & used only brushes until Anniv. WTs; what a shame! Were there any Concept-type vacs in the UK?
Quadraflex agitator has 4 brushes & 4 PLASTIC beater bars; they were used since Concept 1 here in the USA. The beaters are actually 'brush stiffeners' that's why they did so much better getting more dirt & hair out of carpets than the 2 brush vacs. Later Hoover USA changed the roller 2 a spiral shaped roller & did away w/beater bars & used only brushes until Anniv. WTs; what a shame! Were there any Concept-type vacs in the UK?
Brushrolls...
Regarding the Elite style brushroll, there were 2 types. One had brushes all the way around, the other is what Jack describes with the 1 brush strip, 1 beater bar. The latter was truly a pathetic attempt at a brushroll....the double brush version cleans about a zillion times better!
Regarding the glued-down carpeting....I'm sorry but NO vacuum seems to do a very good job on the glued-down carpeting. I've used many, many different machines (including a Windsor [Sebo at heart]) on the glued down commercial garbage, and nothing was very effective at getting dirt OUT of the carpet. You can get it OFF the carpet, but not OUT. Big difference.
And no.......the Kirby doesn't do a job worth a flip on the glued down carpeting either. I've used multiple models at our production facility, and hands-down.....the best cleaner we've got out there is a cheap Eureka 1934A fitted with a 4-row Vibra-Groomer II. NOTHING can touch that vacuum on the commercial carpet.....not even the Kirbeast. Even the 7 amp Sanitaire is just too powerful, it doesn't let the brushes do their work enough.
That said, we have to wet-extract the floor 2-3 times a year to get all the dirt out that just falls below the nap. If air can't get behind the carpet backing, it won't clean all the way through. Simple physics.....
Regarding the Elite style brushroll, there were 2 types. One had brushes all the way around, the other is what Jack describes with the 1 brush strip, 1 beater bar. The latter was truly a pathetic attempt at a brushroll....the double brush version cleans about a zillion times better!
Regarding the glued-down carpeting....I'm sorry but NO vacuum seems to do a very good job on the glued-down carpeting. I've used many, many different machines (including a Windsor [Sebo at heart]) on the glued down commercial garbage, and nothing was very effective at getting dirt OUT of the carpet. You can get it OFF the carpet, but not OUT. Big difference.
And no.......the Kirby doesn't do a job worth a flip on the glued down carpeting either. I've used multiple models at our production facility, and hands-down.....the best cleaner we've got out there is a cheap Eureka 1934A fitted with a 4-row Vibra-Groomer II. NOTHING can touch that vacuum on the commercial carpet.....not even the Kirbeast. Even the 7 amp Sanitaire is just too powerful, it doesn't let the brushes do their work enough.
That said, we have to wet-extract the floor 2-3 times a year to get all the dirt out that just falls below the nap. If air can't get behind the carpet backing, it won't clean all the way through. Simple physics.....
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Ah - I'm confusing it with the '4-brush groomer', then! That's certainly not what we had in the Turbolite, anyway.
We did have the Concept series for a while, but they weren't popular. Far too expensive for most buyers. They're VERY rare nowadays - although the elderly woman who lives 6 doors down from me has a Concept One Powerdrive as her main cleaner, and she won't be parted with it for the world! Believe me, I've tried!!
We did have the Concept series for a while, but they weren't popular. Far too expensive for most buyers. They're VERY rare nowadays - although the elderly woman who lives 6 doors down from me has a Concept One Powerdrive as her main cleaner, and she won't be parted with it for the world! Believe me, I've tried!!
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No, dear reader, The Hoover isn't hard on rugs.'
'It is only hard on competitors.'
One of the most iconic Hoover adverts, taking on the lies spread by rivals face-to-face. Sorry the text isn't clear - I find it readable, but if anyone has trouble, I will happily reproduce it for you!
'It is only hard on competitors.'
One of the most iconic Hoover adverts, taking on the lies spread by rivals face-to-face. Sorry the text isn't clear - I find it readable, but if anyone has trouble, I will happily reproduce it for you!
williamr1248
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You can't clean by suction alone
Sorry Jack. Let me try the picture again.
Sorry Jack. Let me try the picture again.
rolls_rapide
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commercial brush-roll with 4 rows of bristles
You're thinking of the 'four brush groomer'.
Regarding the 'Turbolite':
Are you sure? I thought it had a twin row of bristles embedded in the raised beater bar, as per current USA Hoovers and UK Vax 'Mach'.
The 'Quadraflex' agitator is the one with the twin row of bristles and the beater bar has been relegated to 'bristle-stiffener' status. A version of this seems to have been fitted to the 'Turbomaster' models, albeit with 'knobbly bits' added to the agitator.
The 'Turbopower' agitator is cylindrical, with 'knobbly bits', minus the bristle stiffeners.
You're thinking of the 'four brush groomer'.
Regarding the 'Turbolite':
Are you sure? I thought it had a twin row of bristles embedded in the raised beater bar, as per current USA Hoovers and UK Vax 'Mach'.
The 'Quadraflex' agitator is the one with the twin row of bristles and the beater bar has been relegated to 'bristle-stiffener' status. A version of this seems to have been fitted to the 'Turbomaster' models, albeit with 'knobbly bits' added to the agitator.
The 'Turbopower' agitator is cylindrical, with 'knobbly bits', minus the bristle stiffeners.
williamr1248
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You can't clean by suction alone
Jack,
Who would have EVER thought my new Oreck would have removed that much dirt that my Hoovers and Kirby left behind.
This was from about 2500 square feet of carpeting.
I have never had the "wow" in the container like you had when I use my Dyson.
The only old Hoover is have is a 28. It runs great but it won't work on my new carpeting and it throws dust everywhere. If it were only 1948 again and I had wool carpets and horsehair pads again the 28 would rule!
Rob
Jack,
Who would have EVER thought my new Oreck would have removed that much dirt that my Hoovers and Kirby left behind.
This was from about 2500 square feet of carpeting.
I have never had the "wow" in the container like you had when I use my Dyson.
The only old Hoover is have is a 28. It runs great but it won't work on my new carpeting and it throws dust everywhere. If it were only 1948 again and I had wool carpets and horsehair pads again the 28 would rule!
Rob
rolls_rapide
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Ooops!
Since I started the reply, I got sidetracked for a few hours.
I see others have responded since.
Since I started the reply, I got sidetracked for a few hours.
I see others have responded since.
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Well my
Rainbow has beater strips in the nozzle- and well- they make a man out of the vacuum. I have never seen a vacuum perform so well.
Rainbow has beater strips in the nozzle- and well- they make a man out of the vacuum. I have never seen a vacuum perform so well.
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Kirbys vs Elites
I heard in a post above that my Kirby H2 may have had a problem, and it definitly does not have one. The elite has stiffer bristles and seems to vibrate the carpet more. If you want to know something that will kill a kirby look for a sanitaire, modern royal upright, or a tristar. I'm sure many people have said this before but from my personal experience the DOMINATE!
I heard in a post above that my Kirby H2 may have had a problem, and it definitly does not have one. The elite has stiffer bristles and seems to vibrate the carpet more. If you want to know something that will kill a kirby look for a sanitaire, modern royal upright, or a tristar. I'm sure many people have said this before but from my personal experience the DOMINATE!
