You Cannot Clean by Suction Alone! – a shocking photo play by Jack Copp

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Hi all, as we said in kirby " You buy your carpet by the yard and throw it away by the bagfull.

I do agree with Jack. Straight suction alone don't clean as good as a vacuum that uses vibrate,sweeping action as well as good airflow/suction.

James
 
I used a Compact/Tristar w/PN & it got out FAR MORE dirt than the Kirby & Lux vacs--they did well in grooming but didn't pick up as much grit as the Compact (I had the VG2 brush roll on the PN) thanx 2 its metal beater bars & stiff bristles. If I put a Hoover Quadraflex PN OR a VibraGroomer 3 U wouldn't believe how much more dirt a TriStar can get out.
 
Ridgidvac

For once I agree with you! My TriStar will handily outclean a Kirby, and a Kirby will handily outclean a Lux. People can argue the point all they want, but all I say is do the tests yourself! You'll see pretty quickly.

That said, a 7 amp Sanitaire with the VGII brushroll will even outclean the TriStar/Compact. Absolutely NOTHING gets past those. It never ceases to amaze me how much crap the Sanitaire repeatedly pulls out of my carpets.
 
I know this sounds wierd but

sometimes I feel that when I use my Heritage 2 it does nothing. Maybe it is cleaning but I just cant feel it sweeping or grooming very well or maybe it just needs some brushroll adjustment or maybe it just doesnt do as god a job. The only thing I know is that the elite can still pick up stuff after the H2.
 
last vac wins

Again- last vac always wins.

An elite- I would say is nowhere near as good as an HII

The HII is one of kirbys finest- yet ugliest. lol.

Something may be wrong with it if its not doing too well.
 
Well Im not really sure

We had an elite. -head light and tools on the side (a tol if I recall)

I would say my old HII kirby was better any day than it.

It was ok. Just not the best vacuum.
 
Elites

While the Elites do have a good brushing action (provided they're the double row brushroll), they lack the suction and airflow of the Kirby. Although the Kirby may not sweep as well, if it's properly adjusted (read: brushroll projects through the nozzle guard) it'll groom well and pick up just about anything. The massive airflow does allow it to outclean the Elite.

Carpet grooming can be deceiving. Just because the carpet is GROOMED doesn't mean it's clean. Take the HouseKeeper for a perfect example...
 
Well I've had a Filterqueen,Tristar,Electrolux Sanitaire and the kirby has out cleaned them all as long as its set up correct.
Also Beater bars are quiet punishing on the carpet and can damage lino.

Why it is true last wins maybe true if you clean a patch of carpet with a vac till it picks no more up or filter pad/bin stays clean then co over with another vac is the better test to do.

James
 
'Also Beater bars are quiet punishing on the carpet...&#

Not so - that's an old anti-Hoover myth stirred up brands who couldn't offer beater bars because of Hoover's many patents on multiple variations on the beater design. You find it cropping up again and again in anti-Hoover propaganda:

Ohio-Tuec - 'Cleans without beating or pounding'
Compact - 'Gets all the dirt without harming the rugs'
Eureka - 'Gets the dirt, not the rugs'

After their direct and overt criticism of Hoover's beating action, it's interesting that Eureka were among the first to add beater-bars to their brush-rolls when Hoover's patent expired! Air-Way intially tried to promote suction-only cleaning, then tried to rip off Hoover's design, failed, and almost put themselves out of business! It's the same pattern as with the motor-driven revolving brush; until 1925, Hoover owned the patent on that, and all the other brands insisted that it was harsh and damaging to carpets. Then when the patent expired, they all rushed to copy it!

A beater-bar actually causes LESS carpet-wear than bristles, because it's a smooth, polished metal surface. If you had to run your finger back and forth over a beater bar, or a brush-strip, non-stop for an hour, which would you choose? The beater bar, because it's smooth surface which creates a lot less friction than the rougher bristles. Kinder to your finger, kinder to your carpets!

Another point which is important to note is the actual action created – despite its name, the beater-bar does not ‘beat’ as such. Rather, it pushes the carpet away from the suction opening for a fraction of a second. The ‘beat’ is created as the carpet, grabbed by the suction, snaps back against the nozzle plate, launching the trapped dirt into the air, where it is caught by the airflow. That’s the familiar ‘rumble’ you’re hearing when using a Hoover.
 
Eric you know full well the Housekeeper cannot touch the carpet cleaning ability of the Elite. I can see the side intake being an issue, but Elites have airflow to get the job done. I think you are letting their iffy construction prejudice you.

(ducks and runs)
 
OY!!!!

I never said the Housekeeper was a good cleaner! NO WAY!!!!! I just said it grooms the carpet well......example!

I'd shoot myself before saying it was a GOOD cleaner! NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!
 
lol

A housekeeper? nah. it wouldnt have a chance against most anything. but it is a cool vacuum.

kind of like an electrik broom- worthless for cleaners- but a neat design.
 
Hi, Well I still think there punishing on the carpet and they still can damage lino etc not just metal beater bars but plastic as well.

Anyway any one know why hoover over here in the UK stopped using beater bars after the 80s seniors?

James
 
You Can't clean by suction alone

Jack,
Check out what my new Oreck XL pulled from one time around my house. This is from a house that is less than 3 years old and has had Hoovers and Kirby's plus all kinds of machines used. I was surprised to see what the little Oreck pulled.
I was under the impression when I joined the club that NOTHING cleaned like a Hoover. Now I know different. This is what makes our hobby interesting.
Always enjoy your post and pictures of your Hoovers.
Rob

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If you must use the beater bars on a roller brush bar-please use the POLISHED METAL ones only-no plastic.Plastic bars can be nicked,cracked or broken if they hit something hard like a coin or peice of gravel-than the nicked or broken bar becomes a carpet DESTRUCTION tool!I have had this happen.Also its said that beater bar roller brushes should not be used on carpets whose whole surface is cemented to the hard subfloor.They should be used on carpets whose edges are fastened to the floor and have soft backing underneath.the soft pad or backing absorbs the bars effect.Hard flooring allows them to pound the carpet-wearing it.and its hard on the vacuum too.no beater bar roller brushes should ever be used on glued down-non padded carpet .
 
Anyway any one know why hoover over here in the UK stopped u

They didn't - with the launch of the Turbopower/Turbomaster ranges, the traditional metal Agitator was redesigned as the 'Activator', which was lighter, cheaper to produce, but equally durable and effective. The familar spiralled metal bars were replaced with a series of spiralled 'lumps', which were far more effective at cleaning the thicker, heavier modern carpets. The Agitator was designed at a time when The Hoover was used to clean light Oriental rugs. Now we have a whole spectrum of flooring available, and many houses contain a wide selection of different types.

The latest Hoovers do not have beater bars. This is largely due to the ridiculous cost-cutting by Hoover's new owners, but also because of the changing preferences for floor coverings in the home. Laminate is huge over here now - hence the growing number of uprights which allow you to shut off the brush-roll for hard-floor cleaning. Bristles and beaters do nothing for laminate, lino etc - there's no trodden-in dirt to flutter out, and the bristles just scatter debris.

As needs evolve, so does the product built to meet them.

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'Also its said that beater bar roller brushes should not be used on carpets whose whole surface is cemented to the hard subfloor.They should be used on carpets whose edges are fastened to the floor and have soft backing underneath.the soft pad or backing absorbs the bars effect.Hard flooring allows them to pound the carpet-wearing it.and its hard on the vacuum too.no beater bar roller brushes should ever be used on glued down-non padded carpet.'


Quite so! The beaters were never designed for that; they can only work when the carpet is raised from the floor by the suction 'on a cushion of air'. See diagram above! This is the essence of The Hoover Cleaning Principle, and has remained unchanged since it was developed in 1909.

A beater-bar upright is totally wrong for this sort of flooring; something like a Sebo is much more appropriate!
 

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