Yet more utter garbage from The Daily Mail regarding EU vacuum laws

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Gareth, 1300 watts in the AEG line up is of the older range - a bit like the 1300 watt motors in the Vax Mach Air range, before being replaced later this year with the newer lower watt motors.


 


Still, AEG are also selling vacuums in the UK which have 2000 watts or more, though they do have a green 700 watt model in Germany that I put a thread about on here so many months ago - the UOGREEN 700 watt cylinder vac - but it hasn't arrived here yet - the lowest motor they have is 1250 watts which is a better sign on the Ultra bagged cylinder vac series. 


 


Current range shown from UK website


 

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The US has 120 volt 60 Hz single phase (usually, three phase in a home is unusual) domestic power. Home circuits are limited to 15 amps for fire safety. Only outlets for certain appliances like electric driers (which run on 240 volts), the range if it's electric, the air conditioner or heat pump and a few other limited examples will have higher amp breakers. Rgular wall plugs are limited to 15 amps. It is strictly a fire safety measure and has nothing to do with energy conservation. There is separate legislation requiring energy efficient appliances.
 
Hmmm then why in my box is there are 20, 25 & 30amp oh & several 60amp? I know what they're all for, you must have old wiring circuit breakers then. This house was built in the 80's. I checked the new home that's being newly built & freshly wired in that circuit box the same thing minus the 30amp, no hot tub.
 
What are those breakers for? In my home I have four 20 amp breakers for the kitchen, specifically the disposer, stove, fridge and dishwasher, and all the rest of the breakers are 15 amp. 20 amp is the highest I have.
 
20amps are for the outlets/lights, 60amps for the hvac, heat & halogen hob, 30amps for the water heater, dryer & hot tub & for the gfi outlets in the kitchen. That's probably why the didn't run a separate line for the central vacuum, hasn't blown anything plus I checked the breaker & it wasn't hot. One other thing when the hvac kicks on none of the light dim in the house
 
30 amp outlets in the kitchen. Wow, our building codes don't permit more than 15 amps. Interesting the difference in building codes between states. Do you have steel conduit and junction boxes or Romex and plastic junction boxes?

Boy I wish I had 30 amp outlets in the house. I would put one of those new Advantek Ultra motors that Lamb is selling for home central vacuums in one of my old canisters and have a real animal. They have a 5.7 inch motor boasting 650 air watts but it pulls almost 14 amps. I couldn't use a floor brush with that motor here or I'll pop a 15 amp breaker. Now if I had 30 amp outlets it would be a different story. Central vac suction and airflow in a canister. Oh would that be something.
 
LOL the vacuum would turn inside out from the pull. Just romex & plastic & I would think in the crawl space they would be protected but it's not, just stapled to the joists. For running something like that you would almost have to get a fuel powered generator & just think no more blown anything your testing. Oh & how they wired it here (thank God) the ceiling lights are different from the outlets. I hated that when something blew in the house in Fla the entire room when dark, at least here you can switch a floor lamp on & was also great when I had to change the switch in the bath, just brought in a desk lamp & the power from the wall was still on. BUT here since were high up on the Plateau our power goes out frequently in the winter is the worst
 
Romex stapled to rafters. Isn't that lovely? My dad would have been irate if he saw that! I have a metric crapload of circuits too. Each side of the kitchen is on a differnt breaker and then there are the four 20 amp breakers for the appliances. Same thing throughout the house. It's not a bad thing.

Funny thing but those last generation square Kenmore canister vacs have a support for the lid built into them so they won't suck the lid in. It is either a large filter housing over the fan and cord reel hump with two thick ribs running across the top for and aft, or a thing that looks like a roll cage screwed into the top of the motor and cord housing that the lid touches when it's closed. I guess they learned from the previous generation who's plastic lid flexed in even from the moderate suction of a 2.7 peak hp motor. On the Avocado Bomber if you pop the palm of your hand off and on the hose end with the motor running you can get the tools jumping in their holder.

I have a cream colored last generation of the lunch box 3.5 that is going to get some kind of big motor, as much suction and air watts as I can get and not blow breakers with the Powermate running. I'm thinking a Lamb 119800 if I can suss out how to mount it, otherwise my trusty 115923 bolts up to the existing holes perfectly (but lacks the juice of the more modern motor). There is also a new version of the 115923 with what are called "Eternity Brushes". Just give me time to clear out a couple of other projects. That giant sucking sound from California will be my Frankenvac. Hide your small animals and spare change.
 
Hay, make it water worthy so it will get ya'll some water to finish off the crisis there. I hear it's pretty bad & neighbours are turning each other in for the $500 reward that was on ALJAM channel.
 
No, we don't have bounties for reporting water wasters that I'm aware of. Most water districts are trying the soft approach using warning citations as an educational tool. Generally no one is fined on a first offense. Fines are for repeat violators. There is one district I read about that is really in dire straits that even offers a "Water School" along the lines of traffic school to those receiving citations that lets you work off the fine by sitting in a classroom receiving water conservation instruction.

There is a saying that dates to the 1800s that in California whiskey is for drinking and water is for fighting. This is far from the worst drought the California has experienced. Western water law is based on the concept that "first in use is first in right", meaning whomever made a claim to the water first and continues to use it has first rights to that water. Those who came later lose water in a drought. What that means is that some farm districts with water rights dating back more than a century are flood irrigating crops of rice while municipal water districts and many agricultural water districts with more junior water rights have lost their allocations of water completely. The courts have, so far, turned back every attemtp to change this situation. Fully 85% of the developed fresh water used in Souther California is owned by the Imperial Irrigation District. They take water from the Colorado River and irrigate low desert croplands through unlined dirt ditches. Because their water rights are senior to every single other Colorado River user except the native tribes, LA, Vegas and every other water user on that river will have to surrender every drop of their allocation before the IID has to give up even one drop. Fair or not, this is the law and it has survived multiple legal challenges all the way up to the US Supreme Court. I vividly recall an IID board member calling a US Senator an "overweight, pig eyed, gas bag sack of sh!t" in a public meeting with the press in the room because the Senator had the temerity to suggest that running water through the open desert in unlined dirt ditches just might not be the highest and best use of scarce water. Such are the temperaments of people with water rights.
 
No, we don't have bounties for reporting water wasters that I'm aware of. Most water districts are trying the soft approach using warning citations as an educational tool. Generally no one is fined on a first offense. Fines are for repeat violators. There is one district I read about that is really in dire straits that even offers a "Water School" along the lines of traffic school to those receiving citations that lets you work off the fine by sitting in a classroom receiving water conservation instruction.

There is a saying that dates to the 1800s that in California whiskey is for drinking and water is for fighting. This is far from the worst drought the California has experienced. Western water law is based on the concept that "first in use is first in right", meaning whomever made a claim to the water first and continues to use it has first rights to that water. Those who came later lose water in a drought. What that means is that some farm districts with water rights dating back more than a century are flood irrigating crops of rice while municipal water districts and many agricultural water districts with more junior water rights have lost their allocations of water completely. The courts have, so far, turned back every attemtp to change this situation. Fully 85% of the developed fresh water used in Souther California is owned by the Imperial Irrigation District. They take water from the Colorado River and irrigate low desert croplands through unlined dirt ditches. Because their water rights are senior to every single other Colorado River user except the native tribes, LA, Vegas and every other water user on that river will have to surrender every drop of their allocation before the IID has to give up even one drop. Fair or not, this is the law and it has survived multiple legal challenges all the way up to the US Supreme Court. I vividly recall an IID board member calling a US Senator an "overweight, pig eyed, gas bag sack of sh!t" in a public meeting with the press in the room because the Senator had the temerity to suggest that running water through the open desert in unlined dirt ditches just might not be the highest and best use of scarce water. Such are the temperaments of people with water rights.
 
You better hang on to your water. Isn't Georgia arguing to move the state border north a mile or so at a place called Nickajack so they can tap into the Tennessee River, so short of water is Georgia? Georgia tried this gambit in 2008 and was shot down but with most of Georgia currently in a drought they are trying again.

We have water here, but I cannot fathom how our laws allow farmers to grow water intensive crops like rice and alfalfa (the desert is dotted with alfalfa fields and increasingly pistachio orchards while desert aquifers are silently sucked dry) in a state that is experiencing a drought. Urban dwellers are being told to stop watering lawns but there is no limit to watering alfalfa, until the wells run dry.
 
They tried to get the state line closer into Ga a couple years back but it was shot down. I hear ya DT I/we don't make the laws, don't understand them & probably most were created at night behind closed doors without anyone's knowing & passed before anyone can question or bitch about. It's really sad because it hurts a lot of people that really need the help.
 

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