Why Tacony SUCKS nowadays.

[mark40511]

I never felt like I needed or ever used the headlight on a vacuum..Personally, I would totally live without one...although, I think it's a cool feature..

I was looking at the Sebo's just now ... My God, the bags and filters are outrageously priced..

The actual vacuums - the G4 and Felix are under $1000... do the brush rolls turn off on those?
https://evacuumstore.com/p-12108-sebo-essential-g1-vacuum-cleaner.aspx

 

[panasonicvac]

Only the Felix turns off the brushroll either manually, when the handle is up, or when you use the hose. The G4 doesn't do any of those just like the X Series. There are aftermarket bags and filters you can get that work almost just as well as the genuine ones. And I agree with you on the headlights, they're cool to have as well but I don't usually need them unless I was like vacuuming under the bed with them. However I've got flashlights that shine much brighter. The only feature I know for sure I wouldn't ever use would be the Boost feature on the X4 and X7. It just eliminates the purpose of Sebo's automatic height adjuster. Most people wish(ed) they'd dig deeper into the carpet but that's what the G1 and G4 are for in the first place because they use a manual height adjuster. And I honestly couldn't find a cleaning difference between having versus not having the Boost feature on so it's really just another thing that can wear out on a vacuum.

 

[mark40511]

Gotcha..

So get this... You remember earlier when I was saying my Cirrus would sometimes make a funny noise that I can't explain?... it's almost like a vibrating noise.. Say you're carpet vacuuming and you move the handle up and down as you push, sometimes moving the handle up and down can cause it to sound worse. I thought for sure something was going on with the motor... which is really weird as good of care as I've taken of it..Well, on the back where the tools store on board, the crevice tool wasn't popped all the way in.... Are you serious? I think that was the vibrating noise I would hear off and on.. (LOL) The sound it created did NOT sound healthy at all... I can't be sure that that was the noise I was hearing...but just checking briefly I think that was it..

You know the motor protection carbon filter? the filter below the bag...Should I be changing that? It's never dirty and the bag chamber stays spotless so I'm not sure why that would need to be replaced.. so far in 4 years I've only changed the HEPA filter twice and obviously the bags themselves and 2 belts.

I'm so relieved that hopefully nothing is wrong with the motor because I really do love this vacuum.. Though I would definitely take a Sebo over it any day (at least a model where the brush roll turns off)

 

[mark40511]

Yep - Just used for an hour and ran smooth as silk...no strange sounds... that was the problem. I'm shocked because I've dealt with that noise for months and thought my vac was slowly dying and that's all it was. An attachment tool not snapped into place all the way.. LOL LOL

 

[panasonicvac]

When was the last time the brushroll was serviced? They should be checked and serviced daily like every year. Also, I'd recommend to replace the pre filter. It may not look dirty with a naked eye but if you looked through a microscope, whatever dust that didn't get trapped in the bag made it on the filter since the bags definitely don't trap 100% of everything. But it's inexpensive to replace. I wish the pre filter was electrostatic, that was another thing I did liked better on the Simplicity 7350. I can take that pre filter out, put it in a mesh laundry bag, wash it in the washing machine with liquid Tide HE original and Spray n Wash, and let it air dry. I can also do that with the motor sound suppressor and exhaust filter as well. Much better than washing them out by hand. In fact, I mostly wash my vacuum bags and filters in the washing machine which I honestly think is the best way to clean them out completely without having to buy brand new ones.

 

[mark40511]

If by serviced you mean belt changed, clean brush roll, the brush roll housing, etc...several times... but the brush roll itself..just wiped it down... I just have a small house with wall to wall berber.

As for the motor filter... I take it out and slowly vacuum it (just in case) even though I can't see a trace of dust anywhere in the bag chamber with a flashlight. So I just assumed it only needed to be changed if there was a bag failure or something.. I wonder if you could just buy a cut to fit electrostatic filter and use that?

 

[panasonicvac]

I like opening up the brushroll and check to make sure that it's clean on the inside, I've took apart lots of metal brushrolls and found a bunch of dust on the inside. Also I check to make sure that the bearings are good. And I check to make sure that it's not bent which can cause it to sound nosier. If you don't want to replace the pre filter and keep it for as long as you can, I'd rinse it out by hand under cold tap water and air dry it out. I would not wash it in the washing machine. You can buy a electrostatic filter and custom fit it in your Cirrus but I'd wait to do so until your warranty expires.

 

[electromatik]

Sebo headlights

Nice. I had not looked at their models in a while so I was surprised by the headlight. However, I like canisters with power nozzles and their canisters still don't have them. Maybe someday they will.

 

[mark40511]

Is there a video of someone taking these brush rolls apart and putting them back together?

 

[panasonicvac]

So far, no. But they're pretty similar to taking apart a Simplicity brushroll. There's definitely a video of one on YouTube. Usually what I'd of do if I was taking apart something new that I haven't done before is by looking at a parts diagram, like figuring out a puzzle. This is a Cirrus brushroll for the clutched models.

 

[panasonicvac]

Yeah the Sebo canisters don't have headlights, at least not yet since there's always room for improvement But Lindhaus does already, the Aria Platinum comes with them but you can request to have headlights put in on the Aria Elite and HF6 models.

 

[mark40511]

Thanks @ panasonicvac

That actually looks identical to me..just watching the video..

Yea - it's pretty crazy that some of the Sebo's don't have headlights. That would totally NOT matter to me but I can see why some people would want it..

For me, when I'm cleaning under beds, dressers...there's really NOT traffic under there..just dust can slowly settle there on top of the carpet... so I always just use the suction only floor brush and run it underneath to get the dust off that settled on the carpet... I feel like you don't need a brush roll for things like that..

 

[panasonicvac]

The main reason why Sebo and Lindhaus didn't had headlights on in the first place was because they were originally designed and used for commercial applications where it was totally unnecessary to have since commercial places have bright enough lights to shine. And even their commercial models still don't have them because of the same reason.

 

[mark40511]

Question: Take the Sebo Felix, for example..The wrap around filter (I'm not sure the proper name for it) I guess the exhaust filter that has different designs... OMG. $43.99!!! And a pack of bags are like $35..If a filter box lasted 5 years it wouldn't be so bad. In my house it probably would because I'm always cleaning over clean...it takes me FOREVER to fill a bag.

I remember you said there are aftermarket ones but just browsing around, I only see genuine everything.

I've always wanted a Felix until I saw those prices.. How long are those wrap around exhaust filters supposed to last anyway?

For those prices, I could get 3 packs of Cirrus HEPA bags, 3 or 4 HEPA filters, 2 or 3 packs of belts...and 2 or 3 motor filters.

I know anything Sebo is quality made and I know there products are great...but dang....those prices!

 

[panasonicvac]

Yes there are generic bags available for the Felix, Think Crucial is one example. The filters are recommended to be changed after going through 10-20 bags depending on how dirty your house would get, I'd say no more than 20. You can rinse the filters out if you wanted to because it definitely wouldn't hurt them, but they're not going to get cleaned completely.

 

[mark40511]

Doing some searching around earlier when I was bored (out of curiosity) I wanted to see if I could find the Cirrus vacuums on any site for a different price than the regular $559 for the CR79 and $659 for the CR99 (sometimes even higher).. I was shocked to see Ajmadison.com (a huge appliance site that I have visited many times) sells the Cirrus Vacuums but the CR79 is $459 and the CR99 is $559. So $100 cheaper that most places...

I'm still shocked the vacuum noise I was experiencing the past few months was a loose onboard tool not pushed all the way in...the past few times I've used it it's smooth as silk sounding..

https://www.ajmadison.com/b.php?Ntt=cirrus

 

[panasonicvac]

I'm pretty sure that website hasn't been updated. I remember looking at some Speed Queen washers from the same site and I don't believe they were accurate, they had a 2017 model listed that was priced way below than what the current model, the TC5, was offering today.

 

[n0oxy]

tacony and Sebo

I have a couple of Tacony canisters and I like them, the Riccar Prima is a great canister, small and really quiet, I also have a Simplicity Gusto. I think Sebo is one of the best brands you can get, Lindhaus is also good but they are harder to purchase since not as many places sell them. I'm not much of an upright person but I absolutely love the Sebo Felix, I think that is absolutely the best upright vacuum on the market, it's the only upright I know of that allows you to remove the power nozzle and attach a hard floor brush.
Mike

 

[mark40511]

I think the Sebo dart you can too... although I'm not sure what major differences there are between the Dart or Felix..

I never used to prefer uprights either until I discovered those universal extension hoses you can buy that comes with their own tools..

 

[panasonicvac]

Yes you can use the premium parquet bare floor brush on the Dart as well, however it is not included with the Dart unlike the Felix so you'd have to buy one separately. The other differences between the Dart and the Felix is that the Felix offers more features the Dart doesn't have like the variable speed controller, the brushroll shuts off when you take the hose out, it has a swivel neck, and the handle can adjust but it is more expensive than the Dart. If you buy the Felix in the black Onyx color, you'd get an extension hose, a turbo brush, a 24" crevice tool along with a adapter that'd fit, and a longer warranty but it is even more expensive than the other two. The only things that I don't personally care about the Felix is the premium parquet bare floor brush and the turbo brush, I know I've used better. I think the Felix is an excellent vacuum, no doubt about it. Is it the best upright on the market? In my opinion, no. Is it also the best upright Sebo has ever sold? I'd say no as well. In my opinion I think the best upright that Sebo has ever sold would be both the 370 Electronic and the 370 Comfort that they discontinued. I liked them more because they were built better, they were cheaper to maintain because the filters were inexpensive to clean and/or replace, they were more maneuverable to use on bare floors, less hair got tangled on the brushroll, and they had more horse power from their twin fan Domel suction motor.

 

[s2_82]

The Felix is such a big seller in my area that I'd literally have to get on a wait list for one.. However my dealer doesn't sell the machine with all of the extras that supposedly come with it. I guess that only happens in some locations.

Me trying to decide between that and the E3, I did notice something about the overall weight distribution that makes the felix feel "heavier" than most uprights. I don't know if it's just me..

 

[panasonicvac]

You should order the one with all the extra features that would come with it. If for whatever reason your dealer refuses to get one for you, then you can buy online from Sebo and register the warranty through your dealer. This would be my recommendation. If you have mostly carpets, then I'd recommend the Felix. But if you have mostly bare floors, then I'd recommend the E3.