Why So Many Models?

[myles_v]

I don't think Tacony should merge Simplicity and Riccar. Simplicity is already a brand of sewing equipment and accessories, so by selling vacuums under that name they have the interest of people who already trust the Simplicity name. I believe Simplicity offers different colors as well.

http://www.simplicity.com/
http://simplicityvac.com/

 

[n0oxy]

Miele's decision

I also think Miele eliminating a lot of the lower models is a mistake. The remaining lower models only take the smaller bags, if you want a larger bag, you now have to get a C3. I've also heard that the lower end model, I think it's called the compact C1 straight suction is now made in China, I'm not sure about that though. I guess my Miele C1 Olympus is now vacuum history, that's one of the discontinued models.
Mike

 

[n0oxy]

new Miele models

I checked some other on line dealers for Miele vacuums, and yes, most of the C1 and C2 models are discontinued. Here is what Miele is offering now for the lower priced models, I would love to know if these are made in Germany or China. Besides the high end C3 models, there are only three others now. There's the compact C1 straight suction.
http://mielestore.com/default/vacuum-cleaners/compact-c1-pure-suction.html
Then there's the compact C1 turbo team, this one includes an air driven turbo brush I think.
http://mielestore.com/default/vacuum-cleaners/compact-c1-pure-suction-3429.html
And finally there's the compact C2 Electro Plus.
http://mielestore.com/default/vacuum-cleaners/compact-c2-onyx-3430.html
All three of these models use the smaller bags, if you want a Canister that uses the larger GN bags, you will now have to get a C3 model. I can see both sides to this. In a way it is less confusing now, Miele used to have a bunch of Canister models, and it could get confusing. But there are far less choices now unless you get a C3 model. I'm not sure why Miele chose to do this, perhaps the lower models were not selling very much, or perhaps they want to focus on high end vacuums only. What does everyone else Think? I guess my C1 Olympus is now a part of vacuum history. What I liked about the C1 series was that you could use the larger dust bags without having to purchase all of the extra bells and whistles, that is no longer the case.
Mike

 

[mixman]

Low End Miele Models.......

They may eventually come out with new low end models.....we will see. If not, it probably just shows that it's getting tough for premium vacuum makers to compete with the Dysons and Sharks in that price range.

Mike

 

[n0oxy]

premium vacuums

It kind of makes you wonder how the premium vacuum market is doing in general. As vacuum collectors, we don't think like most consumers. One reason why there is so many low quality, poorly made vacuums on the market is many consumers are willing to settle for that. I can't tell you how many times, when I tell someone how much a good quality vacuum costs I've heard "oh, I would never pay that much for a vacuum," even as low as $400. Then I will respond with something like, "But good quality vacuums will last for 10, 20, or even 30 years, how do those cheap vacuums last?" And they usually respond with, "Well, when it breaks, then you just replace it." Certainly not all, but many consumers are simply not willing to pay for quality anymore. Buy it cheap, and when it breaks, toss it and replace it is how many consumers think. What they don't think about is, when you add up the price of buying several cheap vacuums because of replacement, they could have gotten a very nice vacuum such as a Miele, Sebo, Tacony, Aerus, Numatic Henry, etc. But they don't think about that, only what they are paying at that moment in time. When you think of the great vacuums that Hoover and Eureka have made in previous decades, it's kind of sad to see how much their quality has changed. It kind of makes you wonder if the high end vacuum manufacturers will be able to survive.
Mike

 

[sebo4me]

Or you could use an upright for deep cleaning carpet such as a Kirby or Royal and a canister for all other cleaning. Makes a good combo.

 

[sebo4me]

Whoops wrong thread

 

[mixman]

Premium Market

The premium market will survive but there will probably be fewer companies offering fewer products in the future. Since durability is no longer a selling point for premium vacuums, as I have mentioned in several other threads, premium vacuum makers will probably have to have better ergonomics and performance in order to justify their higher prices.

 

[cocobird5]

I bought a Miele C1, because I had mostly cement floors and a few rugs. I didn't like the job it was doing on the rug, so I have ordered the turbo brush for it. I
talked to several Miele distributors, and they all said the turbo brush should solve the problem.

The main reason I bought the C1 is that I had a Miele before and loved it. After 20 years it died. I replaced it with a Panasonic that worked fine, but it was very heavy. I have balance problems, and it was heavy enough to scare me.

The C1 is very light. The C1 Turbo wasn't available then. The cost between upgrading the C1 and buying the new turbo brush was about the same.

 

[n0oxy]

update on Miele models

Found out some more info on Miele's changing of their models. So, the new compact C1 models such as the straight suction, Turbo, and electric are being made in China. What used to be the C1 series, such as the Olympus will now be sold at Kasko. Apparently there is a C1 in the home care series that is sold in vacuum stores but not on line. The C3 models haven't really changed. I'm glad I bought my Olympus when I did, that one was still made in Germany. So, if you want a German made Miele now, you have to either get it from Kasko or buy a C3 model. I wonder why Miele decided to make these changes. I still think they are a great vacuum, but when it comes to the German machines, I'm really starting to favor the Sebos. It sounds like Miele is starting to favor cutting costs over quality.
Mike

 

[vacerator]

Old GM advertising slogan:

A drivers seat for every purse and person. From the Corvair, Vega, Kadette, Astra, Victor, Viva, Firenza, Rekord, Admiral, Commodore, Diplomat, Ascona, Manta, Cavalier, Senator, Omega, Malibu, Biscayne, Bel Air, Impala, Caprice, Belmont, Kingswood, Brougham, Statesman, up to Pontiac, Olds, Buick and Cadillac.

 

[moderneezer]

One other problem that some companies do when they introduce several models at once is that they make different attachments for different models of cleaners and sometimes, a certain kind of nozzle would be unavailable for a specific model even if the two were of the same brand.

Changing the subject a little. There's one idea that got into my mind about electric nozzles. What if a manufacturer were to design an optional headlight and an optional height adjuster that could be attached to a power nozzle and were each sold separately? What do you think of my idea?

Changing the subject again. I read the conversation about the unreasonably wide selection of Miele C3 canister models. I checked the selection available in USA and there are three C3 models that each come with a powerhead model SEB 228 and three others that each come with a nozzle model SEB 236. Would this be a superfluous thing? I encourage you, American participants of this discussion, to go check what models of the C3 series are availabe in Canada and determine how simplified is the selection in that country compared to the one in USA.

 

[moderneezer]

So, did anyone check the selection of models from Miele in Canada as compared with the selection in USA?