Why Are Hard Cover Models TOL?

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I know that with at least with Hoover and Eureka, both companies would always place hard-cover bagged models higher up on their product line, along with a higher price, than the soft cover models. I personally find the soft cover bags to be more attractive and seem to allow the bag to fill up further, but apparently the designers think otherwise. Any idea as to why this is?
 
It's simple, it's psychology, higher prices to some easily influenced people indicates better quality, so they'll pay the extra to get something they think is superior, regardless of the facts & figures....
 
I would probably say because of times changeing, it is more stylish these days and even in the mid to late 90's to have a bagged vacuum holding the bag in a hard plastic box than a soft outer bag that probably to most people looks old fashioned, it is probably also because of higher filteration, you can get heppa filters that can be replaced easier in a hard bag vacuum rather than haveing to wash and outer permenant bag that really is only material it is not really a filter.
But I totally agree soft bag vacuum cleaners do look alot nicer and let the inner bag get a little fuller. I just love pressing a soft bag and hearing the paper bag inside crumple, that is one of the things I love about them :)
 
Well in the UK the hard box cleaners were superior. There were no two ways about that. Hard bag (hard case) cleaners appeared more modern, they looked sleek, and were usually far easier to fit paper bags to than the soft bag cleaners on sale at the same time, many of which used a rubber ring to attach the paper bag to the dust tube. Also, they were often easier to clean out, particularly if a dust bag had burst, as all that was usually needed was a damp cloth, unlike on a soft bag which would retain the filth in the weave of the outer bag. Furthermore, the physical nature of the hard bag cleaner gave way to having cord winders, air fresheners, electronic power controls, carrying handles, bag full indicators, and later still on board tools fitted into them. This was mostly, though not always, impossible on a soft bag cleaner, and of those soft bag machines which packed such a feature or two, many had a hard plastic compartment to it in addition to a soft bag.

Although soft outer bags were seen as old fashioned and dated by a good deal of people, manufacturers did recognise quite strongly that they were still in demand amongst several consumers, typically the older consumer who liked and identified easily with the traditional soft bag, and those who required a physically lighter cleaner, and, because the price of a soft bag cleaner was usually lower, it also appealed to budget consumers too. So much so that during the early 1980's, Electrolux brought out it's first ever soft bag upright cleaner, bearing in mind that they'd been producing hard bag cleaners for about 15 years already.

When the Hoover Turbopower cleaners went on sale in the early 1980's, there were two soft bag cleaners included in the range and furthermore were still on sale under the name Junior almost 20 years later. In terms of cleaning performance, the soft bag Turbopower machines did not differ from the hard bag versions, it was only features and styling which put them into their own category, ticking all three of the boxes I mentioned earlier.
 
"I just love pressing a soft bag and hearing the paper bag inside crumple" That's nothing compared to spinning a brush roll by hand... Mmm...

Wow we're strange, ha ha!
 
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We had a Electrolux soft bag model , the 404 with a rear mounted soft bag in the late 70's and early eighties It was as I have discovered unique to SA. My grandmother had one , I only have a pic of the Columbus version of the machine taken in a friends vac shop.


 


Electrolux versions had a yellow hood with a brown bag and the Electrolux logo embossed all over the bag  

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Hello Gary. My word, what a cheerful cleaner that was! I must correct myself by saying that Electrolux had commercial soft bag cleaners on sale here, but I was referring to the domestic market in my original thinking.

I also forgot to say that it is of course impossible for a clean fan vacuum cleaner to have a soft bag as we know it. Clean fan machines have often been considered superior to the dirty fan style. There wouldn't have been anything to stop it having one wrapped around the hard casing, like the Sebo Felix does, or one just for show, but it would have served no practical purpose.
 
Going slightly off topic, I wonder what would have the best filtration, a dirty fan with a HEPA bag or a clean fan with a HEPA filter...
 
If you believe that a HEPA filter does what it says, then both should be just as good as each other. Good question you asked there though. Fact of the matter was that hardly any dirty fan machines had filters, I think the Electrolux 152 would have been one of the first. Although a popular selling point on cylinders, filtration seemed to play little or no part in the selling and choosing of uprights. Some people argue that a soft bag machine offered a layer of filtration which a dirty fan hard bag didn't. I am not sure I agree or disagree, but I see the logic.
 
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The columbus one was the commercial version and the Electrolux version was domestic, this was pre 500 series and SA was very big upright country back then, the 152 series was available but could not compete against the Hoover rangers of the day so the developed this machine locally. the bag on this one pictured was made by the store owner and not original. 


 


I have only seen a few and for nostalgic reasons the Electrolux one is the one vacuum I really want but don't have. My Gran lived a fair distance away so we always went there on holiday so it was good times, I managed to get her other vacuum a green hoover sensitronic from the late 80's  
 
"I think the maturity shines through." Well I'd hope so at 32 years of age! Maybe that isn't what you meant though ?
 
It's exactly what I meant. One thing I did learn when I got the internet is that no matter what the age of the people involved, maturity and reason often goes right out of the window. One doesn't have to venture far to see that.
 
I see your point Benny, there are a lot of adults on the internet without a flicker of maturity.

Most of the people on Vacuum Land have that gift, thank goodness, your good self included of course.
 
I thank you for the compliment. You also credit the forum most generously. Like I said about the soft bags on dirty fan cleaners being capable of offering an extra layer of filtration, I am not sure if I agree or disagree.
 

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