Which April 1993 & 1996 Scans

[turbomaster1984]

Brilliant Ryan!

Provided mewith a good half hour of interesting reading to say the least.

Im not surprised that Hitachi beat the TP2's 3's 1000's as they are a much nicer cleaner to use.

They have the 'stick to the floor' performance that the Turbopower 1's had whereas I never felt the TP2 range did quite manage to vibrate the carpet on a cushion of air like its older brother's and thus not clean anywhere near as well.

My Mum had a later Hitachi Powerhouse 1300 that was a fantastic all round performer and tolerated the best part of 6 years heavy use in a heavy handed household.
It was only scrapped due to user error in that it was used to clean up plaster dust and decorating rubbish with a split bag. I tried my best to get the rubbish out but the motor eventually became shot.

The hose arrangement certainly seemed more convinient than hoovers with a comfy hose grip and sturdy tools. Tool storage was also infinitely better with the 2 most used tools stored at the top of the machine tucked behind the hose so they wouldnt fall off.

All in all a brilliant cleaner its easy to see why they beat the competition at the time.

I have a slightly earlier minty fresh version of the 1300 in our collection that is fantastic to use.

 

[turbo500]

Rob, I couldn't agree with you more.

Hoover may have been unrivalled dirty fan cleaners, but by 1995 they couldn't compete with such high performing and far more convenient clean air machines. They were struggling to do so even before then.

Not only was the Turbo 2, 3 and 1000 ridiculously over priced, thet weren't a patch on Hoover's earlier machines and certainly not a patch on competition from Electrolux, Hitachi and Panasonic of the time.

Despite Hoover's success, from the 70's onwards they were always 1 step behind the competition. Put a 1980 Junior side by side with a Hitachi CV50, Lux 502s or Panasonic Jetflo and just look at how outdated it looks.

Times were changing and Hoover either couldn't or didn't want to keep up

 

[sebo_fan]

A few years ago someone gave me a Hitachi 1100 (OR it might have been 800) upright - pretty similar to the one shown on the Test start page of Which's 1996 but with a dark grey dial and no variable suction - the owner found that it "wasn't working as well as it should." Famous last words...

I agree Robert about the tools - very well placed and so well designed.

Getting parts for it was difficult though as the main front door had split and the brush roll was practically threadbare. When I glued up the door and used the upright the suction was tremendous but so much abuse had happened to it, it had to be turfed as it was impossible to get spares for it.

 

[thekirbylover]

not a patch on competition from Electrolux

because the electrolux contour is far better than a turbopower 2...........[this post was last edited: 7/26/2013-14:36]

 

[alexhoovers94]

"Although the Hoover fans might not be best pleased about it lol. " You can say that again!


 


But Ryan Thanks a bunch for uploading these to vacuumland, really appreciate it!!

 

[alexhoovers94]

I have used a Hitachi Powerhouse...

They are quite a nice vacuum but I much prefer the Turbopower 2, it has a far better quality sounding motor and a better brushroll, it may be heavier to use and carry but I think it is higher performing than the Powerhouse.


I don't understand this thing people have with the tools falling off a Turbo 2 because it is a slight effort to push them into there little "garages".


 


Also, I noticed that the Powerhouse was £20 cheaper than the Turbopower 2 which is hardly a difference really to put someone off when they are buying into a top selling brand.

 

[turbomaster1984]

whos responding here? you ?

Higher performing?

The results above tell you which is higher performing and they concur with what I have found.

Are you sure?

Better quality sounding motor? What hooey. How do you decide what makes a quality sound? The Hitachi makes no difference in quietness at 1300/1100w to a TP2 on full power.

Better brushroll? defined by what?

The tools are easy to push onto a TP2 but they are friction fit with plastic clips that could and did snap off. The Hitachi relied on a friction fit which was aided by the hose keeping them in place too. The upholstery tool had a pocket to actually slot into.

And 15 years ago £20 was 5 to 6 hours wages to a worker on minimum wage standards so it WAS alot of money.

 

[alexhoovers94]

HA...please!

 

[turbomaster1984]

I beg your pardon?

 

[turbomaster1984]

Remeber Which? was testing BRAND NEW from the box cleaners to test.

Saying you have used one is irrelevant unless you tested a new TP2 and a new Hitachi.

Was the belt on the Hitachi in good condition, was the brushroll?

Were the filters clean? What state was the bag in?

Too many variables - come back and diss when you have tested like for like!

 

[alexhoovers94]

Ok...

Well which are clearly talking out of their ar** because they said a DC02 performed well on carpet...


 


I believe that the Turbopower 2 is higher performing because it has a better brushroll with very close together stiff brushes unlike the sparse brushes on the Powerhouse and who doesn't love the Activator?


 


How do I decide what is better quality sounding? Because the hitachi makes that screaming noise like most cheap motors do unlike the wuuuuhhhh noise the Turbo 2 makes.


 


How on earth you would manage to snap those clips off that hold the tools in is beyond me...What about the dusting brush on the powerhouse? That doesn't rely on that wonderful hose to hold it in place which by the way the cuff on it, in my opinion is short and stuby and uncomfitable to use.


 


Also it seams that the Powerhouse lacked in the two carefully balaced carrying handles front and back, didn't it? only one at the back, right?


 


Lastly the "HA, please!" comment went to the 5-6 hours someone would have to work to get 20 quid, do you really think that is that much? that is not even a full days work!


 


Alex.

 

[turbomaster1984]

Wages

Go and do 5 hours graft when the sun is shining and you want to be down the pub with your mates who are having a good time without you perhaps then you will realise its value.

Quite frankly your attitude stinks and all because you cant handle a balanced criticism ofyour favourite cleaner.

 

[turbomaster1984]

The brushes are far from sparse, the brushroll has beater bars too. Just like hoover.

Was the Hitachi you used brand new? The one I have is virtually brand new and it far from screams. My mothers didnt 'scream' until plaster dust got the better of it.

Nobody mentioned carrying handles. I didnt say it was THE most perfect cleaner EVER, did i?

No idea how anybody snapped the crevice tool clips and extension rod clips on TP's but they did.

Dusting brush, I didnt big that up and yes your right its not held in by the hose BUT it was placed appropraitely. The most used tools were to hand at the top and due to the design of the bag chamber the onlyplace the DB could go was sensible for the least used tool.

No idea what you mean about the cuff I have not personally found it uncomfy.

 

[alexhoovers94]

 


 


Fine then, answer your own questions? why is the Hitachi better? If you are more in favour of it why do you own nearly every Turbopower 2 from the entire production line.


 


I am not usually like this and don't take it personally but if someone is going to be rude about me expressing my opinion then I might turn a little bitchy, sorry, but I am only human.


 


Alex.

 

[sebo_fan]

There's more to come! (As in scans - but I think I'll create another listing.)[this post was last edited: 7/26/2013-19:50]

 

[turbomaster1984]

I own every one because I like the for what they are! I dont worship the ground they stand on. They are not the bee alland end all like somethink they are.

I said why I felt the Hitachi was better in my first post.

Lastly your opinions are opinions but in your were stating it as a FACT. Big difference.

my point is that the Hitachi you tried may well have been abused, knackered and damaged beyond your knowledge. How can you compare then?

Dyson?? Well how old were you back then? Did you ever try one FRESH out a box?

 

[turbomaster1984]

Im still reeling from someone who has probably never done a full days graft stating that 5 hours work is nothing.

Just shocking!

5 hours work pays 1/3 of my monthly council tax bill. or
a months water bill. or
a weeks food shop. or
2 weeks car insurance, or
a months gas bill in summer.

just shocking.

 

[alexhoovers94]

The Powerhouse I used was Chris's and it was in perfectly functional condition, like I said, it was a good vacuum but I do like the Turbopower 2 better for it's shape, style and functionality.


 


No, well, I have used a DC01 back when it was new not really old enough to form a good opinion now but I have used many DC01's and DC02's they are all the same...I have not used a Turbopower 2 fresh out of the box either, but I don't need to, to know that it is good, I have 4 variations of the Turbopower 2 and I fully cleaned and restored them all, is that not close enough to new out of the box?


 


Alex.

 

[alexhoovers94]

Yes you are right...

I haven't yet worked, I am still in college/education...


 


Is it honestly my fault that you have an underwhelming paying job to have to worry about 20 pounds? Again don't take it personally.

 

[turbomaster1984]

Restored is one thing,

Were the motors new? Carbon brushes new?

With respect to Chris's vac his was 2nd hand and a good few years old. Used to clean up whatever wedont know about.

Fans could of been unbalanced as you mentioned it was a SCREAMER.

Did Chris put a brand new belt and brushroll in it?

My Hitachi was second hand but barely used. Nevertheless it WAS used. Yet it performs a better job than the BRAND NEW IN BOX TP2 I have. and yes I did swap the belt for a new one to ensure that the fact it has stood for 17 odd years and was stretched and deformed.

When you can compare like for like that is when you can from TRUE comparisons......

YOU feel that Tp2s are the best thats opinion. Like for like comparisons come up with FACTS.