WHAT WOULD life be like with out bagless vacuum's

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I had a green, hard cased, Elite in the mid 90's

Worst vacuum ever. The power switch gave up the ghost in fewer than 6 months and the cover for the hose hole never sealed well and would whistle and lose suction. And it was NOISY.
 
The fan was smashed to bits on my Elite, I had to replace it (obviously)
I have heard a lot about Elite prone to braking fans, not heard as many stories over here about the Turbopower fans braking and I have never seen a Turbopower with a cracked or broken fan.
 
That's because the Elite seemed to be made with a brittle metal fan, whereas the Turbopower 1 had a tough plastic fan, much like the Kirby, which would withstand a lot more abuse. Having seen the state of your Elite's fan when it arrived with you, I did have a laugh at what was left of it.
 
enter the SMS shake out fabric bag

That's what makes me laugh the most about bagless vacuums. Disposable paper bags were put in to make vacuums easier to empty and more hygenic, and then we took them away again and made them messy and dirty again? Talk about a step backward!

The Hoover Freedom uprights were a direct result of Hoover meeting with Dyson. Somebody in Hoover obviously saw something in Dyson's design and they wanted to get in there first, even if the result was a complete dust-leaking disaster.
 
"<a name="start_25245.284043"></a><span style="color: #0000ff;">That's what makes me laugh the most about bagless vacuums. Disposable paper bags were put in to make vacuums easier to empty and more hygenic, and then we took them away again and made them messy and dirty again? Talk about a step backward!"</span>


 


Actually, I think they're a couple of steps backward. Most cloth shakeout bag machines aren't that messy to empty, and "filter cleaning" consists of shaking the bag well before emptying (washing it every once in a great while). By the time you get all the filters cleaned, brushed out, beaten against the garbage can, washed, and air dried for 24 hours, you're much farther behind in the game. I have owned 2 bagless machines in my life, and I won't own another one. Shakeout bags, on the other hand, aren't bad to deal with, and a good cheap, effective option if you properly maintain them.
 
Institutional and commercial users will keep bagged machines in production for the forseeable future. Commerical janitorial services, housekeeping staffs at hotels and hospitals, etc., will require bagged vacuums for both health and productivity reasons. I personally don't have time or patience for the nonsense involved in emptying a bagless vacuum and washing out filters. Swapping a bag is fast and clean, especially when most bags now have some form of seal or cap you use to cover the opening after removal.

Sebo_fan, you very much underestimate the abuse a modern BMW car or bike can absorb. A good friend of mine came to the US after working many years in Research at BMW. He built and tested prototypes of both cars and motorcycles, including two of the motorcycles in my garage. BMW would bring a fleet of test vehicles to California every year mid June to mid July, establishing their base at the Best Western Motel in Lone Pine. They would pay a little tribute to the California Highway Patrol to look the other way and proceed day in, day out for a month straight to hammer prototype BMW cars flat out across Death Valley and the high mountain passes into and out of the vally as fast as the cars could go. We are talking daily temps from 40-45 degrees C, sometimes higher, foot to the floor. If they survive this they are cleared for production. He has launched them into the desert on occasion, over cooking corners at very high speeds. My friend has a great story about cactus surfing a prototype 7-Series there. They don't spare the test articles and the resulting production cars are anything but fragile mechically.

On the motorcycle side, BMW engines in the test cell were hooked to a blower and powered up 50% beyond the output the street bike engine would carry as part of their durability testing. They would also take them to the big circular test track at Nardo Italy (riding them from Munich on public roads down and back) and operate them 24/7 at wide open throttle for a week, stopping only to refuel and do minimal maintenance (lots of tire changes). While I very much dislike their take on CAN-Bus electronics and over the top electronic complexity, the mechanical parts are as sturdy and durable as anything in the automotive world. They thrive on abuse. One of my old BMW K bikes is about to turn 295,000 miles and I never have babied it other than being religious about routine maintenance. The harder you run a BMW the happier it is.
 
My brother now has a BMW convertible - the last car he had was an Audi A3, 2.0 TDi, and it was forever breaking down. He said it was the worst car he had ever owned, and he drives his cars hard. Over 100K miles, and it was needing money spending every other month on something or another failing, usually the turbocharger.


Now that he has his BMW 3 series (2011 model) he loves it - says its so much better than the Audi. So not all German cars are wonderful.


A bit like Vorwerk and SEBO - one great, and the other not so great - but both expensive German vacs.
 
BMW-Mercedes tests-The reps from both of those companies used to bring their vehicles out to our transmitter site and drive them around the paths and roads around the tower feild to test their reistence to strong RF feilds.Both company reps would drive the cars around a day or two-then leave-they would thanks us but wouldn't say how the RF affected their cars.This was many yearsago-haven't seen them come out here lately.
 
there is a lot hoover products with this name Hoover Freedom

I was referring to the Turbopower and Turbomaster Freedom.

And of course, what followed this - the Permabag System 2.
 
Wasn't there a Goblin Laser upright that didn't use

There most certainly was. It was optional on the TOL Laser from the later line up with the built in tools.

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When I see the hospitality and janitorial industries replacing bagged vacuums with bagless vacuums I will give them some consideration. In places where productivty, health and safety count, at least right now all you see are bagged machines. There is a lesson in this that is apparently lost on a trend seeking general public.

Btw, I had one upright that required the bag to be shaken out and I will never, ever buy another. Horrible.
 
Well said DesertTortoise.

The only advantage I like about bagless vacs is when you have new carpets fitted. Seems a terrible waste on dust bags when all you're cleaning off is the top pile of a freshly laid carpet.

Also with lots of daily pet hair that has to be cleaned up - bagless is more convenient. Most bagged vacuums tend to clog around the dust channel hole and wastes the rest of the bag. This is where I prefer top fill bags that actually do what they promise where the dust falls to the bottom of the dust bag and progressively fills up.
 
what would life be like without bagless vacuums? less dusty.... i dont own a single vacuum newer than 1985, and all are bagged. whether that takes a paper bag, or a reusable bag (like my hoover swingette) or a dump bag on a kirby have a media to filter other than just a filter makes a big difference in dirt retention.

that being said just as many people back in the bagged era didnt know how to properly change bags either. out of all the bags ive used, the electrolux c is the most "idiot proof" thanks the the rubber condom that seals the dust in when removed. short of jumping on it, it very hard for a lux c bag to burp up it's contents. even properly changing a hoover c bag can be mess free if done correctly.

i personally just due to the nature of only collection vintage machines will never own "bagless" and even if i collected newer, i cant stand how unsanitary and counter productive emptying a dust cup is on a bagless machine. if done correctly, its still very messy compared to taking out a full bag and tossing it, or even shaking the contents of a kirby dump bag onto a piece of paper and throwing it out.
 
Didn't the Goblin come out in 1994?

Yes, but the DA001 came out in 93 and was available through several catalogues. I think the bagless Laser was more as a result of the Hoover TP and TM Freedom's than the Dyson.
 
Launch of the first UK Dyson upright did actually take place in 1992 via the Great Universal Stores catalouges, although it was very much a product that sat on back order as production did not begin until very early in 1993.
 

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