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[gmkubancsek]

A few years ago I found a website by a gentleman who had an in-depth history of Kirby vacuums, primarily the 500 series. All I can remember was the numbers "3177713" or something similar in the URL. I would like to find that website once more - if anyone can point me in the right direction it would be appreciated. Thank you. Gary K.

 

[kirbyclassiciii]

gmkubancsek

Gary,

You are thinking of Charles Lester's (electrolux137) Kirby fansite, which has been archived:
https://web.archive.org/web/20160229155351/http://www.1377731.com/kirby/

~Ben

 

[luxz80]

I miss his site. Used to visit often. Very informative.

 

[huskyvacs]

I also was reading a lot on it about Electrolux as well. I caught it right at the end before it went offline. Luckily the wayback machine archived it.

 

[electrolux137]

The Wayback version of my web site is very old.

 

[bnsd60m9200]

it might be an old archive charlie, but you totally eliminated all vacuum information on that site now, the archive is all we have now for that data and info.

 

[huskyvacs]

100% what bnsd60m9200 said.


What do you expect us to do? I can't get much vacuum information from starting at this, lol

 

[kirbyclassiciii]

huskyvacs

No, but you can access the archived version here:
https://web.archive.org/web/20160229155351/http://www.1377731.com/kirby/

~Ben

 

[huskyvacs]

I know that, I have for years. I was just replying to bnsd60m9200's comment who was replying to electrolux137 's comment.

 

[electrolux137]

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As I've explained before:


 


I took most of my site down when I discovered that many pages were showing up all over the Internet -- even from China -- with no attribution to me and without my permission.


 


This may seem mean and stingy to some people who don't seem to realize that I did all the work, research and web page creation by myself. No one paid me to do it and I am kinda taken aback by people who seem to take issue that I did with my web site as I wished.


 


Eventually I am going to create an all-new web site with pages in secure PDF format that cannot be saved, copied or printed. Meanwhile, enjoy the Wayback Machine.


 


P.S.: My former domain, 137.com, has been dead for more than 10 years. The current name is 1377731.com.

 

[bnsd60m9200]

charlie

you can do with your website as you wish, however;

the fact youre more concerned about your pride than the preservation of the information for future generations is what i have a problem with. it seems to me you care more about the fact you did the research than the point of it, which is sharing the information for others to be educated......

 

[dysonman1]

Charles

I know what you mean. People have lifted my pictures and descriptions to use on their own websites (the new Air-Way), in eBay ads (for new Aerus machines), and even on Vacuumland (they stole my pic to use as their profile picture). All without credit to the source. I hate the fact I spent ten years writing a monthly article for the Vacuum Dealer's Trade Association - people steal my words and pictures from those articles constantly. I wish I never wrote them. But I was being paid by my former employer and that's what they wanted me to do.

 

[electrolux137]

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Who is "charlie" ??

 

[kirbyclassiciii]

electrolux137

Charles,

"Charlie" (what Will wrote) is a nickname for your name, as is "Chuck," but I have always called you Charles, your preferred name, to be more friendly to you.

~Ben

 

[luxlife]

No one blames you for removing it and many of us would feel the same way. The internet is there for everyone and we each have the potential to conduct our own research without the expectation that it should be shared with others. Being able to view your page (while it was there) was a privilege, not an entitlement.

 

[electrolux137]

Contempt Prior to Investigation

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bnsd60m9200:  You seem to assume that you know a lot about my objectives and motivations as to what I do with my web site.

That's puzzling in the extreme to me, given that we do not know one another, have never met one another, have never seen one another, and have never communicated with one another.

You might want to take a page from the "Contempt Prior to Investigation" manual.

Thank you, that is all.




[this post was last edited: 6/25/2021-21:52]

 

[bnsd60m9200]

actually charles, yes you have communicated with me in the past via email. you wanted to , without having introduced yourself or wanting to aquaint in any way, buy one of the 18" supersweep/comvac brushrolls off me when i hadnt even offered them for sale for that unique 518 with the large head you once had. so i already dont have a favorable view of you, when the only times you contacted me, were to buy parts i never had even offered for sale in the first place. needless to say i didnt reply to it.

the sense of entitlement continues here with the inward looking use of research which is totally counter intuitive to what a historian or researcher's goals for information should be.

 

[electrolux137]

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Well, bnsd60m9200, you have a longer memory than I do. But, then, those who harbor grudges generally do.


 


"Peace Out"

 

[huskyvacs]

"I discovered that many pages were showing up all over the Internet -- even from China -- with no attribution to me and without my permission."

Those are crawler sites. Nobody was stealing your information, it is bots that skim the entire internet and mimic cheap domains in attempts to spread viruses and spyware. That's all it is. And Pinterest is just people pinning interesting things they found, so that other people can find it. It all links back to the original site. Nuking the whole site over something so trivial was pretty extreme. It reminds me of the same thing Hank did with Hank's Truck Photos website. Destroyed it all and walked away without a care after it was online 20+ years.

Also keep in mind - information and research belongs to everyone - not just one person. You can be credited for your work in research and assembly of random facts, stories, and tidbits, yes, but the work as a whole belongs to all. This is the whole reason libraries are free to use and browse through and access the information attained. I have never heard of someone paywalling a library or making it so only certain people can use it and access the books within - gatekeeping, if you will.


PS: If the information affects you that personally, why not just publish the contents of the entire website and everything on it into the form of a hardback book? Then you can sell it and provide it to collectors. They can access and study the information, it won't be online like you want, and you don't have to worry about e-theft. Problem solved.