Two Generations Of Permabag Sysem Technology

[alexhoovers94]

Speaking of the Turbopower Freedom

Check all these paper filters I got for it off eBay for just £7.50

 

[beko1987]

Good haul! Always nice to get a few years supplies in

 

[alexhoovers94]

Here is a demo of the Permabag System 2 "in use"

The Permabag System 2 was MUCH better than the original, from my experience. The Permabag System 2 didn't really drop in suction at all when compared to the original, it seemed to be no more inefficient than a paper bag. Emptying the System 2 is a bit of a messy job (as the video shows near the end) but no where near as messy as the original. With the Permabag System 2 your hands stay more or less, clean, as you don't have to touch the dirt, you just hold the box on the outside and bash it against the bin a couple of times to release the finer dust.


I am not sure what Hoover reccomended, but I reccomend that every 2 or 3 times of emtying it, just give it a rinse and it is as good as new.


 


I wasn't going to make a video of me doing this same test with the Original Permabag System, with the Turbopower Freedom, as it would of just been a nightmare!! It would clog INSTANTLY in the first pass, it would be spraying dust out everywhere and the hole thing would just get FILTHY...So, I will leave that test for the original Permabag System to your imagination.

 

[turbo500]

but maybe they did get there idea from somewhere

Hi Alex,

I think you're right, but I believe it was still James Dyson who gave Hoover the idea. He tried to sell the bagless design to all the major vacuum companies of the time, and got laughed out the door. That's why he set up on his own.

I believe it was on the back of hearing about Mr. D's bagless technology and the fact that Hoover caught wind he was setting up on his own, that the Freedom came about.

 

[alexhoovers94]

Chirs...

It is a shame really that Hoover didn't team up with Dyson, they would of made some pretty amazing machines, because Dyson had the great bagless technology and Hoover had the great carpet cleaning abilitys, what a waste, aye?

 

[vintagerepairer]

Shame

but for who? Certainly not the mass public - they love Dyson and Dyson products!

 

[turbo500]

they love Dyson and Dyson products!

They do now, but if Dyson had never come to be because the design was picked up by Hoover, or indeed any other major brand of the time, who knows what the world of vacuuming would look like now. People wouldn't love the Dyson product because it would have never existed. Would every other house have a Hoover in it instead of a Dyson, as was the case in the 60's and 70's? Who knows.

 

[vintagerepairer]

Moot point

Personally, if any manufacturer had picked up the Dyson design, I doubt it would have been anywhere near as successful as the Dyson 'brand'. James Dyson was able to tap into the basic human thirst for something new and different. A Hoover or Electrolux got up to look like a DC01 would, in my opinion, paled into insignificance and been 'just another model'.

This said, it needs to be remembered that one of the reasons why other companies were reluctant to buy-into the Dyson cleaner was because of the revenue stream they got from consumables like dustbags and belts. Dyson has long been beating in the drum in that quarter, saying that he feels the need to buy consumables is wrong and that money should be made on the sales of products and not consumables.

Whilst I don't agree with his viewpoint, I would at least be willing to agree to differ were it not for the fact that he has consistently charged a small fortune for replacement parts, the likes of which were often parts -such as sole plates- that many other brands of cleaners never, ever required throughout the lifetime of the cleaner. Add to this the fact that in-store demonstrators are being encouraged to sell accessories in the form of carpet-cleaning powders and optional attachments, it's becoming harder and harder to believe in one of Dyson original core motives. Now I see his latest machine requires the use of a moist cleaning pad. I will be interested to see how much they retail for.

 

[alexhoovers94]

But Benny, I am willing to bet James doesn't design his machines anymore, I believe it is entirely his designers. If Hoover had taken up on the Dyson design, their would be nobody to copy and get taken to court over, therefore, they would not be so much out of pocket that they had to sell to Candy, that is the reason I think they had to sell in the end, If Dyson never suied and they continued with the bagless market, they could of pulled themselves out of the free flights fiasco.
Plus, Look at how much better and user friendly the Vortex was, that is proof that Hoover could do it.

 

[vintagerepairer]

Hello Alex. I am sure it is not Sir James himself, this is true, though he claims to have a major input in all designs to this very day. Hoover sold-out to Candy because of their failed free-flights offer, many years prior to being sued by Dyson. Hoover Europe was already owned by Candy by the time that the Vortex went on sale, and it was a good while after that when the court case took place.

As Chris suggested, because no one bought the Dyson design, we cannot ever know what would have happened, we can only speculate. However, had the manufacturers had any hint of an idea that Dyson would go it alone, I predict that at least one of them might have bought into the idea if only to keep it under wraps and never to produce the cleaner, for fear of losing the revenue which replacement bags brought with it.

 

[hi-loswitch98]

According to Wikipedia in 1990 Vax contacted James Dyson as they wanted to introduce a new vacuum to the market. Apparently he designed a cleaner but Vax dropped the idea. I would laugh really if Vax & Dyson had got together to produce a cleaner. Wouldn't know why but they would probably have introduced a cyclonic 3-in-1 or something.

 

[alexhoovers94]

Ahh yes, Hoover was bought out in 1998 and the Vortex didn't come out untill 1998/1999, which means that HOOVER actually designed the Purepower, huh, trust candy to base the vortex around it, rather than make a differend design!

 

[hi-loswitch98]

Are you sure Hoover were bought out by Candy in 1998, I thought it was earlier.

The Purepower would be a good design providing they sort out the problems with it, such as weak chassis, falling over etc. I have a Purepower from September 2001 & it works kinda good providing you don't expect too much. I would still prefer a Turbopower though. The Vortex was based on the Purepower but had a stronger chassis as the top bit was a tad heavier. The Vortex was launched in April 1999.

I did hear that Hoover were apparently going to launch the Purepower / Dust Manager Upright with the Intelli-Sense feature on the Cylinder they launched in Germany, Italy & France. Would have loved to have seen that but it seems they thought against that. Sigh.

 

[alexhoovers94]

Candy joined Hoover in 1993 as they were loosing money over the free flight fiasco. Candy probably didn't have much of a say in product development at that time, so Hoover was still Hoover untill a few years later and then candy bought them out in 1998.

 

[hi-loswitch98]

So the Purepower was a good design until Candy cheapened it, but I think Hoover are getting back in their feet now. Apparently the White Goods are made in Italy again, unless I'm wrong & they were always produced there.

 

[vintagerepairer]

Everything I can find on google sites 1995 as the year when Candy gained control. I know they didn't "Candy-fy" everything right away - it took years- but I recall rumours circulating about Candy in 1992 and the acquisition taking place a couple of years or so later.

 

[hi-loswitch98]

All of Hoovers history down the drain all because they wanted to shift excess stock, they could have easily done another offer such as buy one vacuum cleaner, get the second free or whatever. But I guess they didn't know what lay ahead. I do think Hoover Europe got the better end of the split as Hoover US are owned by TTi which probably have the same problems with machines as Vax do in the UK.

 

[alexhoovers94]

Nooo, not 1992, I remember seeing a news report about it from 1993 talking about Hoover joining Candy.


I know they didn't buy them out until 1998.

 

[vintagerepairer]

As to when it was finalised, late 1990's sounds about right as it took years, but as you will see here, control was taken in 1995.

http://www.hoover.co.uk/about-us/

 

[alexhoovers94]

I think you are right benny, look at the sticker differences

This is a rating sticker off my Turbopower 1000, this is the original type with the original Hoover dating system...