Tristar CXL, DXL and Miracle Mate Mk1 and Platinum: What's the difference, really?

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@countryguy . . .

Thanks for the links Gary. Especially for the power nozzle Vortech has taken on. Looks like Wessel Werk and Sebo have the PN source sewed up.

Venson
 
Using tristar bags in a Miracle Mate

It will not seal completely a solution to it is to cut out a piece of cardboard to complete the seal i noticed an improvement in the suction and airflow at the hose end after adding it
 
Gasket...

I guess the cardboard forms or contributes to the gasket effect, sealing up the leaks. I'm tempted to fashion something out of a sheet of silicon rubber. Not a flat sheet like the cardboard, but a gasket around the rim.

Of course, I could always order a bunch of Miracle Mate bags, too.

I notice that Vortec uses a similar bag. There's a cardboard cover with a hole in the middle, which is ringed by thin gasket rubber. Come to think of it, this style bag is no different than any number of other bags: Eureka/Sanitaire Mighty Mite, Electrolux uprights, Electrolux tanks, Windsor Versamatic, etc. All use cardboard as the structural element. The bag material is glued onto the cardboard. The hose mates to a hole in the cardboard. There is a thin rubber gasket around the hole to form a seal between the bag and hose.

You come to your senses and realize Tristar's open top design is the oddball, here. All the others actually make more sense in terms of containing dust during and after removal.

Are the Miracle Mate and Vortex bags interchangeable? I notice the Vortec's has a flip up handle.
 
Wessel Works...

A similar Wessel Werks PN was used on the Hyla NST. Are the Wessel Werks PNs any good?

I notice Miracle Mate is using a different PN now. I don't know the entire history, but I know at some point they used Lindhaus and then Edgelift after that. Now a German model (Sebo?). Were the previous ones just no good?
 
I think Compact/TriStar (IEC) Air Storm/Patriot, Miracle Mate, & Vortec Force were all designed by the same engineers? Or are they all affiliated together?
 
Nope . . .

"I think Compact/TriStar (IEC) Air Storm/Patriot, Miracle Mate, & Vortec Force were all designed by the same engineers? Or are they all affiliated together?"

I think more the case is that several companies saw the molded design as a bankable idea and put their own spin on it. TriStar and Compact may be related but check the URLs following:

http://www.miraclemateusa.com/our_company.html

http://www.tristarvacuumscausa.com/about.php

http://www.homedefensesystem.com/corp.htm

http://vortechnorthamerica.com/page137.htm
 
Poor suction

I have a near-new Miracle Mate Platinum with the Lindhause power nozzle and while it IS a very well built machine - the suction is barely average at best. And it loses it, quickly.


Our $80 Eureka Maxima canister has more suction, and any Miele, SEBO, Electrolux (newer models), and Kenmore will have more to MUCH more suction - this is a fact.


It's got decent enough airflow and pretty decent suction on a BRAND NEW BAG - but even after one vacuuming the suction noticeably diminishes and thus I'm looking to get rid of it. Even if it had pretty good suction all the time it's just too bulky, cumbersome, and tiring to keep for myself.


I'll put it this way - I'd take a Kenmore Magic Blue or any decent quality budget plastic canister over a Miracle Mate anyday, but that's just me.

Now that new Vortech looks quite interesting...!
 
It's a curious thing...

When fired up my CXL for the first time, I also thought "what's the big deal?" My Dyson DC23 seemed to pull much harder, noticeably harder.

And while I'm still figuring out if my Tristar really is cleaning better than I think it is, I've grown to love the thing. It's become my daily driver. In fact, I've picked up two more CXL's and the same Miracle Mate with Lindhaus PN that you have.

All have similar suction. It's been said these have great airflow. While I haven't tested it myself, I'm inclined to believe that. I'm still trying to wrap my head around the idea of airflow and suction though. I don't know what the airflow numbers for my Dyson are, but it sucks a lot harder than my Tristar. I also get the impression that it's pulling more dirt, but again I haven't done a real test.

So my question is: is the Tristar really cleaning as well as we all believe, i.e., the best performance of anything out there, despite the impression that suction does not seem to be as great as some more modern canisters? Or is that a still-held belief based on something that was once true but may now not be?

Also, is greater airflow only an advantage when used in conjunction with good agitation, which loosens up the dirt so that the airflow can move it? In a straight suction situation, i.e. vacuuming hard floors, would there be a benefit from greater suction vs. airflow, since there's no agitation to loosen dirt and the vac relies mostly on the power of its suction to move dirt and debris?

What do you think? Based on side-to-side comparison, does the CXL really still clean better than some of the newest offering? I mean, I love my CXL, but sometimes I wonder.
 
@Koobam

If you're going to get rid of your Miracle Mate, I'll take it!

btw, a TriStar CXL WILL OUTCLEAN ANYTHING made today! :)

TriStar vacs have more powerful suction; & their PNs REALLY vibrate the carpet, even with a bristles-only brush roller w/o beater bars or bristle stiffeners.
 
I'd wager my Electrolux UltraSilencer Deep Clean will out clean a TriStar, and outclean the Miracle Mate even more so. The suction is easily two and half times more than the Miracle Mate Platinum - and the Miracle Mate and TriStar are equal - then sorry, but drugs must be a hell of a thing...


floor-o-matic - It's all yours, but we need to discuss a price. It's a quality vacuum, for sure. I'd love to donate it but that's just not an option for us at the moment, that cool?

Hit up my email - [email protected]
 

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