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Thanks, John. I just purchased a partially used box of Home Solutions bags and read that same information on it. I would take for granted, then, that all Home Solutions bags have the filtration you've described?

I wonder just how necessary after-filters are for a person with no dust allergies if the Home Solution bags--or especially the HEPA bags-- are so efficient at filtering the air?

Anyway, I love to have my windows open when the humidity and heat are tolerable (which has been most every day this spring and summer), and since I am proactive at keeping the dust in my house at minimum levels (e. g. replacing the furnace filter regularly, dusting, and vacuuming) it seems pointless to have a cleaner with an after-filter. My daily drivers are a Model G and a Model 1505/Silverado. I suppose a secondary filter wouldn't hurt for added motor protection and reducing odors, though.


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DT, Tom knows his Electroluxes and Aeruses, so I would agree with his assessment that your cleaner's condition is atypical of the brand. Your idea of the bag getting wet with vomit and animal excrement is plausible from the photos you've posted of it. Suffice it to say that at least one damaged bag caused your machine's inside to get coated with contaminants.
 
I never intended to antagonize Tom and I apologize for doing so. Tom is as knowledgeable as anyone we will ever find regarding Electrolux vacuums. I value his advice highly.

To me a true HEPA filtered vacuum filters air with a pleated filter from the bag compartment into the motor, the motor is in a container that is sealed both to the secondary filter and an exhaust HEPA filter. Air that has been through the bag and the motor never circulates inside any other part of the vacuum other than that sealed motor chamber and every bit of that air is routed directly from the motor through a pleated filter and out of the vacuum. Vacuums like a Miele canister are so constructed. The motor in my Windsor is in a sealed container with nice rubber gaskets and all motor exhaust is confined to that chamber until it exits the exhaust filter.

None of my Kenmore vacs meet that criteria, the Whispertones don't even pretend to have an exhaust filter all the hot air goes out louvers under the cord winder. Nor does my particular Electrolux meet that standard. The exhaust is not that well confined, it circulates the whole fore body of the vacuum, a little sneaks out the cord opening and the final filter isn't pleated. It's a fine vacuum and very well made, I enjoy it a lot, but HEPA? Eh, maybe a bit strong a statement to call that particular model HEPA. Near HEPA? I dunno. I have never even seen another Electrolux vac of any kind so I don't know what goes on inside those. Maybe other models are better that way. I only know the vacuum I have. It once was abused, yes, but now it is all together, I did a proper refurbishment and it works as designed.
 
The only Aerus vacuums which claim HEPA filtration are the Lux Guardian Platinum canister(double HEPA), Lux Guardian upright, Lux Guardian Ultra canister and the Lux Guardian canister.  The HEPA filter from the Guardian Ultra will fit on the Legacy. Epic 7000, Epic 6500 and Epic 6000, however since they aren't sealed, they will still not be HEPA... very close but no cigar. All the plastic models with an exhaust filter, using a current home solutions bag are just under HEPA levels and any canister or upright using Home Solution bags are at least 94% filtration, with exhaust filter, ~97%. Most of the uprights, with very minor modification can be sealed, and the addition of the Guardian HEPA filter gets you the same results.


 


 
 
Not that I need full HEPA but my fiancee has horrible allergies, what does tha top mounted canister filter do for an EPIC 8000/Rennaissance 9000 filtration wise? It looks like plugging that thing in is like putting the hose on that outlet, it closes the trap door to the front of the vacuum and sends all the exhaust through the filter.

I would also be curious since I have never once seen one to know what the charcoal filter for those machines looks like.
 
Regarding the Aerus pre-motor charcoal filters, they are readily available from the Aerus website or any Aerus dealer, and they fit all C machines from the '68 1205 forward, including the current model Legacy, Classic, and the recently discontinued Ultra. They remove odors, and they protect the motor in the event of a damaged bag. They also have little notches so that they perfectly fit in the ribbed bag compartment. They are available for the R-style machines (Renaissance, etc), and the Platinum has its own charcoal filters.


 


Thinking about the Guardian Ultra's sealed HEPA system, I have no idea why they didn't transfer that sealed HEPA setup to the Legacy (and maybe even Classic) when the Guardian Platinum came out and discontinued the Ultra. The Ultra shares essentially the same body as the Legacy and Classic, so why did Aerus just throw away the sealed system internals from the Ultra? It couldn't be that expensive... and then Aerus's entire product line could be made of sealed HEPA systems. Maybe that's coming down the road... who knows.

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the charcoal filters are available for every machine, including R and U bag users. I have them in some of my machines but I've lately tried some 24" x 24" bulk filter material and made my own afterfilters (*thanks D-T for the idea) and at $5 a sheet, it's dirt cheap and very effective in any of the machines with out a perforated bag chamber. 


 


D-T,


The exhaust filter is there to catch carbon dust from the brushes and any fine dust that makes it past the bag. Very, very little should make it past the bag.....


I've attached a picture of my Silverado daily driver with a charcoal filter and you can see that after nearly a year, very little fine dust has accumulated after the bag. They should last a long time.

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Interesting. Thanks. I thought maybe there was a little housing or something that went with the filter but it isn't much different from what I'm doing stuffing a cut down Kenmore secondary filter down the back of the bag compartment. Thanks again.

One thing I do like is the Electrolux bulk filter material can be washed and re-used. I didn't expect that.
 
the generic stuff I bought is the same; wash, rinse and reuse.... it gets cheaper by the minute. Next order I make I'll order you a sheet and send it to you, I would like to hear what you think of it vs. the Electrolux/Eureaka material. 4 times as much material for roughly the same price. I can't compare as I've never used the E/E stuff.
 
Would it be safe for the motors of pre-1205 cleaners to custom fit charcoal filters in their bag chambers? What about custom-fitting exhaust filters?
 
Hoover I can see but Tristar? Really? Are they the same Tristar made and sold in the US or something different? I've always heard good things about them (another vac I have never once laid eyes on however, all these cool vacs out there and where do you find them?).

We have two vacuum shops within 100 miles. One sells Tacony products and Miele, but the owner is not fond of canister vacs and doesn't stock them so I have yet to see a real live Riccar or Simplicity canister. The only Miele canister was a suction only trade in (sounds like a former girlfriend). The other shop, the one I frequent, carries Sebo and Sanitaire primarily along with a crap load of sewing machines and has a lot of used stuff. And then of course there are Sears, Target, K-Mart and Wally World. Cool vacs are seemingly better hidden than a black project out at Edwards AFB.
 
Tristar

No it,s a different tristar. You can but them for 30 euro. They have got a 2 years warranty, but since the low pricing, nobody takes the effort to return them. Easy money. We also have 2 kinds of dirt devil. the cheap ones ( they suck as well) and the dirt devil Rebel, made by Royal, and they are pretty nice :-))
 
Euro 30, that's less than $30. Heck, you buy well used thrift store vacuums for that sort of money. How can anyone sell new ones that cheaply?

Do you have an image of one? They must be nasty to be so cheap.
 
The vacuum I especially hated was a Mastercraft Upright I ordered from a janitorial supply for the radio station I worked in-for the manned transmitter plant.It was a HORRIBLE machine--Clacky,noisey plasticmade by Premier-Normally I like their machines-this one was terrible.Its stampted steel fan broke twice-and when it did the peice would break or crack the plastic fancase-base.The final straw the fan broke-like third-final time.When the fan broke-the peice jammed inside the fancase braeking the case again and burning up the motor.Somewhere at home have the black outer cloth bag for the thing.The rest--enjoyed watching it-put the thing out for trash pickup--the EZ Pak Goliath trash truck had a CRUNCHY meal-that thing was crushed to plastic schrapnel by the packer blade.After the pack cycle-could see peices drop back into the hopper.FITTING END FOR THAT HORRIBLE VACUUM!!!!!Replaced it with a metal Royal.MUCH BETTER-Quieter and did a better job.Also ordered a NSS M1 for that station-wouldn't be surprized if those machines are still in use!!
 
I think many of our vacuum experts here would say that the Regina Housekeeper was the worst....though it innovated the concept of an on-board "quick-draw" hose for above-the-floor cleaning!
 

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