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i know it didnt make sense. i was using my phone to type . And there is a central that simultaneously handles wet and dry cleaning situations . Its called the Aqua air . Heres some info about it, its uses Amtek--Lamb motor
: 137" water lift, 202 CFM
its uses The cyclonic separator and cold water spray separate the water, foam and debris from the air flow without restrictive filters or mechanical floats. Large debris is contained in a mesh screen while the liquids automatically dump down the drain.
 
Ah, so it uses up water too, sounds like a very wasteful vac to me, with my "filthy" vacs, I just pop out a bag and throw it out, if I want to use them to unblock drains, I could if I wanted attach the hose to the blower and blast air down the plughole...

The more you over-think the plumbing, the easier it is to plug up the drains...
 
Aqua Air . . .

Hi Josh,

There's a similar brand called the Drain Vac. Both sound like great set-ups but are not a possibility for everyone. Thus, portable vacs are going to be with us and in abundance a good while longer. The push for the future will probably be not to do away with the stand-alone vacuum but to make it less a hands-on device. It's over a hundred years since it's invention and the task of vacuuming can still be pretty labor intensive. Whatever their worth, the little robotic gizmos they're developing are the first step in that direction.

Having been a great fan of the Jetsons when I was kid, back in the day I actually had assumed that today -- 2012 -- we'd all be walking around in Spandex suits and there might also be a Rosie the Maid at our avail. We seem to have missed out on that and maybe it's not a bad thing we did.

As it stands, there's a place in the market for both stand-alones and built-ins. Many people across the country live in apartments or rented homes where it would be highly impractical, if allowed, to permanently install the likes of a CVS within someone else's property.

Especially due the economy, many who do own their own homes simply may not see cause for added expense -- not only cost of purchase but installation, possible wiring alterations, etc. -- when a vac that can be moved through the house will suffice for them.
 
"Another thing..top exhausts..."

danemodsandy… what you described perfectly about the selling experience of the high cost Miele mirrors the same selling experience we got when we had a Kirby salesperson visit us back in the 1980's. He didn't get a sale sadly and the upright was far too big to wield around our narrow hallways - one of the very reasons to why we preferred our more basic Hoover Junior models. The Kirby looked and felt wonderful - but its £1000 cost price was far too expensive and when it struggled to get down our narrow hallway, no matter how much dust it picked up compared to our tiny little Junior, it made no sense as a purchase.

I will say this about Miele though - they may produce "selected models" in the U.S by putting names to them and then kitting out the machines with different accessories and attachments and then hiking up the price - but in the UK Miele were perhaps not as clever as they would like to think by offering the same accessories online. This means savvy UK buyers who may not be able to afford the "Cat and Dog" S5 vacuum could easily just buy a basic S5 and a second hand turbo brush with the Active Air Clean filter on board. Hey Presto you've probably saved yourself £40 to £50 in the making.

eurekaprince - Since Miele's 1970's block canisters, they have forever put the exhaust at the top - it is a total nightmare if you don't have the higher cost Active Air Clean or HEPA filter bought before hand to change the old one. I find the Super Clean micro filter useless for airborne dust capture. More noticeable I may add, when you have freshly painted walls and you're trying to vacuum up the carpet - next thing is airborne dust captured on the walls forever unless you add another coat of paint! Now that isn't going to happen EVERY DAY but it is more of a major pain when I don't like ingesting the motor each time I bend down to change the suction anyway as I already said. I also own two Bosch canister vacs - they mirror the Miele on design but the exhaust is also at the top but diffused down the way towards the cable - so when you bend down to change the suction dial setting, you don't get a face full of air. It's a simple design that I'd have thought "the masters of hygiene," Miele would have changed by now - they are after all, the only manufacturer who produce clinical grade cleaning systems - so you'd have thought that a company who pride themselves on containing bacteria would have changed the exhaust so that the owner doesn't get the machine air that pumps out.

I have had budget priced Hoover canisters (the Telios especially) where the exhaust is also located at the top - but it doesn't give you a face full of air either because the exhaust is diffused away from the suction slider.

The best exhaust system I've found so far is offered on the Sebo C, K and newer D series canisters - all contained at the sides within the air belt bumper. Such a handy idea that offers protection to the home, the vacuum and no way near the user! If you look at the pic below you'll see all the arrows of how the diffused air works from the compact K canister. The top arrows from the top filter (in green) indicate the motor air being diffused through the filter and inside the vacuum towards the sides through the Airbelt.

Now if Sebo, a company who have not been making vacs for that long can do that to improve life for the user, why can't Miele?

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Twocvbloke

How is tht wasteful? There are more benifits to a central vacuum. And venson well thats trueA
 
I think toe comparison between Sebo and Miele is like comparing Mercedes to BMW, the former (Sebo/Merc.) being quality and reliable, the latter (Miele/BMW) being shouty expensive and unreliable junk...
 
@danemodsandy

Hi, I'm completely sure our feeling as to what salesmanship should be is exactly the same. Nonetheless, things are indeed changing and not necessarily for the better.

First rule of business being, "Never pay anyone more than you just have to," what's to be done when purveyors of goods don't see it as necessary to offer their salespeople even the incentive of a good/usable base wage?

I don't think that makes for a dishonest employee but someone pressed to hustle to make dollars in volume. That's good for them but not so good for me, the customer.
 
"How is tht wasteful? There are more benifits to a centr

Well, your central vac uses water, my "filthy" vacs don't, your central vac uses more power to do the same job, my "filthy" vacs don't, your central vac is fixed in one place, my "filthy" vacs aren't...
 
Miele/Sebo and Central Vacuums.

Each to their own twocv - but you may have missed my point entirely. When I commented that my older Miele S571 was heavy, it has also gone beyond the expectation of its longevity. 15 years is a long time and it's on the same level of ownership with my old Sebo X1 Auto upright. Different designs, different brands but the older, heavier Miele cylinders/canisters seem to be better built than the newer ones .

As for central vacs - it is clearly abundant that you have never ever seen one in the UK, or if you have you won't be aware of the many types exist. If you have read my previous posts especially about American products, we had a U.S naval base in our town and American housing with American appliances. I got first hand experience of quite a few different central vac systems and I have also been in a few UK homes and company offices where central vacs are also used. The UK market have been slow to the idea of central vacs, because like under floor heating, once it is plumbed in, it's plumbed in for life and not many like the idea of that, let alone waste disposal units that 1980's fitted kitchens had and then the owners realised how troublesome they were, if a knife was accidentally dropped in!

UK company CVC stock several different central vacuums - the highest model offering 1750 watts - compared to an electric hob that has 2400 to 3000 watts, or highly priced portable vacuums that have 2000 watts or more. Central vacuums are not as bad as you make out - because usually in a home that has a central vac fitted, to avoid clogging or "long distance travel" two machines are located on the premises so in effect, you have two bins to empty at the end of the day. Even if Miele are master of most premium vacuums, it is the SEBO floor head that most UK central vacuums use.

Central vacs are a great invention. I'd welcome it - IF I wasn't a collector and fan of traditional vacuums - and for that reason and also for the fact that I'd never consider a Robotic vacuum either - I'll keep buying or repairing my traditional "manual" vacuums.
 
KW:

"Im not sure I agree that Miele housings are less durable. A blow or scrape that would leave a mark on the body of a Miele would dent and scatch the metal bodied Electrolux. The pot metal housing of the Tri-Star doesn't dent but it does crack and scratch."

I can speak from experience that a metal-bodied Electrolux can keep on working perfectly well even after a dent. I have a late, gold-color Model L I keep in the basement for the carpet and appliances down there; it was purchased with the dent. The machine is otherwise in near-mint condition and runs like a champ. A plastic vacuum might have cracked, which would have rendered it useless until repaired, if repair parts were available.

TriStars are not "pot metal." They are an aircraft-grade aluminum-magnesium alloy that is extremely strong in its own right. The other contributing factor in the strength of vintage TriStar/Compact housings is that egg-like shape, purposely chosen because an egg shape is one of the strongest in Nature. Yes, you CAN crack a TriStar. You can also total a Hummer. You usually have to be doing something pretty foolish to accomplish either.
 
The thing about central vacs in UK homes is fitting them in the first place, unless your building from scratch, adding a central vac would mean pulling up floorboards and digging out holes in walls, especially in 1800s style terraced houses that use real walls and not wood frames & plasterboard, that'll be why they never really took off here as we can't just buy a plot of land which may or may not have a structure, clear the site and build a house with all mod cons to the owner's tastes and requirements... :&#92

As for miele quality, well, my S316i "Cat & Dog" likes to try and fall apart if I so much as try and change the bag, it's not broken (well,the tool lid is, but that's down the very tiny fragile clips they used for hinges, one of which broke off), and it's a heavy lump compared to my metal Tristar, not to mention the electrics inside are verging on being toast cos they have a lot of brown scorches on the PCBs around the motor and speed controls, something the Tristar doesn't have a problem with as it's speed control is a switch (No speed to Full speed on one action) with no electronics crammed in there where it gets hot and dusty (well, it gets hot and dusty in the Miele, the tristar just gets comfortably warm)... :|
 
David:

You just described one of the things I prize most about a TriStar - its simplicity. It's a can, a fan, a motor and a switch, plus some filters. To my way of thinking, that's all a vacuum needs to be. I can understand that some people prize the sophistication of electronically-controlled vacuum cleaners, but I would rather have less to go wrong.
 
"You just described one of the things I prize most about

Yeah, it's why I love my Tristar too, you cannot beat simplicity, when something is as simple as they are, there's little to fail, a switch, a wire, a set of motor brushes, a filter or bag, that's it... :)

Even the PN is a simple affair, a motor, a belt and a brushroll (though the other versions of PN have overload protection electronics depending on what model they are)... :)
 
David:

As a measure of how helpful simplicity is, I would point to the only TriStars I've seen with consistent electrical problems - the two-speed models. Those have trouble much oftener than the classic single-speed TriStars and Compacts.
 
Well, my parents home was built by a Canadian in the 1960s. The house was built in an area of 40 other homes built by the same guy. We often laugh when we visit the neighbours as the builder obviously had a contract with building companies to furnish every home with the same kitchen cabinets, door handles and fixings.. at the time that the house was built, every house also had an oil tank when oil was relatively cheap to buy. In the 1980's my father was the first person to get gas fitted in the street and I remember quite clearly the trouble that gave us in terms of getting it fitted to the home instead of relying on the more expensive oil. Half the garden had to come up to get the gas pipes in as well as some of the floor boards inside the home.

Proof that not every home in the UK is built in 1800 style terraced houses.

If a buyer wants something they'll get it - regardless of the cost involved.
 
"Proof that not every home in the UK is built in 1800 st

Well, I know that funnily enough, just as not every business lives in a skyscraper, or every school is a dark and depressing victorian affair, what I was saying is that most UK homes are old and more solidly built making adding something like a central vac difficult and more costly...
 
Sorry but I don't agree - not all homes in the UK are one set design - especially the 1970s ones for the push for Danish, open design planned homes, or those fitted with breeze blocks.

As I reiterate - buyers or owners will buy what they need regardless of cost -from solar panels to electric garage doors, gates, underfloor heating, even double glazing windows on listed buildings where they can only use secondary glazing inside. A lot of owners in terraced houses will still pay out for things like that - including a vented hole for the cheaper vented tumble dryer compared to the condenser types.
 
"Sorry but I don't agree - not all homes in the UK a

You don't agree that most of the housing stock in the UK, in towns, cities and villages, is not old and not built to more modern standards? Seems like a rather dense view of things...

Down here in England, you can go to any town which housed millworkers, miners, ship builders and other long deceased trades, and you bet your backside that they have street after street of 1800-1900s terraced houses, of various designs, near to the inner parts of the towns, then as you move outwards, later 1930s style houses, and on the outskirts you get the wood-framed estates with hollow walls and trampolines for floors...

Just put your TV on to BBC1 at 10am to watch Homes under the Hammer every day this week and look at all the different houses, you'll start noticing a pattern as to the types commonly sold...

Yeah, people can rip apart houses to upgrade and refurbish, but for those looking at just adding one item, it can end up costing them more than the worth of the item they want to add, especially if something were to go wrong with the installation...
 
David:

Not many Americans have much concept of British housing aside from the terraced houses seen so often in BBC America television programs. The semi-detached houses of the 1930s, the late 1940s prefabricated postwar houses and 1950s/1960s housing blocks, and the modern design explosion fostered by the Festival of Britain are all pretty foreign concepts over here. Designers like Ernst Race and Kenneth Grange are unknown, and even Americans with a fair amount of design knowledge have no clue what G-Plan furniture was.

It's too bad - Britain was inventive after the war in ways Americans never dreamed of. Rationing of materials - and the ever-so-slow end of rationing - saw to it that materials were used much more wisely than here, as in Ernest Race's BA chair, which used newly released stocks of aluminum to create one of the most attractive and long-lasting chair designs of the postwar era.

And few Americans understand that concepts they are just getting used to have been commonplace in Britain for a very long time, like flat-pack kitchen cabinets and on-demand water heaters. The big, easy American life is meeting the same realities Britain has been dealing with for decades, and it's British solutions that are the ones carrying the day.

I only hope we never get your local councils. ;-)
 
I've had three different Miele's over the past 15 years and I never had a problem with any of them. Two of my machines were used, one of which I purchased already professionally refurbished at a vac shop, and a Red Velvet that I purchased brand new. All were great machines, but being a loyal Electrolux user the Miele canisters can be difficult to pull and steer around the house. As for build quality, they are top notch. My only complaint was the paint on my Red Velvet was a matte finish that could scratch easily, but if it has a glossy finish like my Blue Moon it never would have scratched. As much as I love Electrolux/Aerus machines, if I were in the market for a new high end canister I would buy another Miele in a heart beat. The 236 power nozzle on the Red Velvet was also one of the best pn's I've used.

I owned a Blue Moon and Red Velvet at the same time for a few years and the only reason I got rid of them was because I wanted a central vac. The Miele's do filter amazingly well but no matter how well they filter, a Miele or any other portable vac can never get rid of the smell of the dog hair inside the bag. If it weren’t for the smell, I'd probably still have my Miele's.

@twocvbloke, I can't comment on how UK homes are constructed, as I have never been to the UK before. But I will tell you that where I live in the US if you really want something and have the money then you will get it no matter how high the cost may be. A high quality central vac unit, attachment kit, and installation in an average size home will probably run close to $2k, possibly more depending on your requirements. This is certainly more than most portable machines and more than the average consumer would spend on a vacuum. It’s a totally different market and clientele, and if someone is willing to do the research and spend the money to purchase a central vac then they will go all the way to get it installed. Check out the video link, I believe I saw it several years ago on the Beam website and it is pretty informative. There are three different parts of the video, however they are incorrect in stating you can only put in electrified valves in new construction. I put them in my house without a problem and its 40+ years old. Regardless of how much I like vacuums, I am OCD and especially so about cleaning, and after having a central vac for the last 6 years I will never live in a home that doesn’t have one, no matter what the cost. They are worth every single last penny!


 
"So are you Saying that yall are better then us ?"

Very mature comment that, as soon as a discussion doesn't go someone's way, they bring out the superiority comments...
 
"I can't comment on how UK homes are constructed, as

I've seen Beam central vacs for sale here in the UK, and I've seen someone's installation of one in a later style british home on Instructables, but as I have kept saying here, it may work for some houses, but the majority of houses, like the one I live in for example which has been here since the mid 1800s, cannot be easily upgraded, so that $2k cost (usually for things on sale here, you just swap the $ sign for the £ sign!!) would rise significantly, meaning the cost outweighs the benefits...
 
David:

You have to understand that the average American has never been in a house that was not built with what is called a "balloon frame" over here. The spindly framework of two-by-fours faced with Sheetrock inside and some sort of synthetic siding outside has been the way America builds houses for decades. Even before that, the balloon frame was used with lath and plaster inside and wood siding or brick facing outside. Having a house built with post-and-beam construction, or real stone masonry, is nearly unknown here and has been for a century or more.

So, most Americans have no frame of reference for the difficulties Britons face when remodeling; American houses are almost ridiculously easy to tinker with, even ones that are many decades old.
 
How you describe that is like how modern british homes are built, but usually with a brick or stone outer wall, inside it's all timber framework and plasterboard, nothing really "solid", so those sorts of houses are easy to fiddle with as you say, but the older stock which is still in use, well, it's not as easy to fiddle with, as stone interior walls are not as easy to pass simple things like phone cables through without interfering with the structure, let alone pipes for plumbing in a central vac or the cables for powering it, and with "sebo_fan" being a resident of the UK, I'd have thought they'd know about it, but I guess not...

So, what was that about miele again? :P
 
"Perhaps.... ....Sebo_Fan lives in Poundbury, where thin

Dunno why, but "Poundland" springs to mind..... :P
 
Oh Im sorry - don't Eng-land seem to have the majority of AGA cookers? Don't they need stone floors - and NEED TO BE PLUMBED IN?? C'mon now don't bother questioning my knowledge of buildings in the UK! I've stayed in England far too many times than I care to remember - no, hang on - oh - I lived in London - so maybe that's not really "proper" England. I lived in London for 15 years and in quite a few different properties including terraced homes - with under "bloody" heated flooring that was never part of the original design.

Do you get what I am saying here to you? Granted your home can't have a central vac - I understand that - the foundations would be too thick to tunnel the necessary work to put one in. Yet, a lot of these homes never originally had the AGA or Rangemaster hobs, yet people seem to be able to put them in now...
 
well

the rainbow i used at my friends house and , they have dogs. and the rainbow gives off a nasty smell. well no vacuums perfect . thats why i love central vacs
 

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