The "Sirena"

[ralph123]

just curious

Has Rainbow trademarked the slogan "Wet dirt doesn't fly"? If so, I could see Sirena getting nailed.

 

[man114]

Pretty sure "wet dirt doesn't fly" is trademarked.

Rainbow patents I know of are the lighted water container, sideways spinning brushes on the power head. An ambiguous patent about how the power head connects to the canister (this is vauge enough that the Sirena probably infringes upon it). The oldest of these expires in 8 or so years. I'll write them all down when I get my hands on a current model on Friday.

Even if Rexair didn't sue, it is what a multi cyclonic Bissell is to a Dyson a cheap knockoff.

In the video the guy lifts the motor portion like it is a feather. If you haven't lifted a current Rainbow motor portion that thing is heavy.

None of the other water vacuums seem to be as much of direct copies.

There is a musical artist Sirena who has recorded songs about Rainbows.

This thing leaves a bad taste im my mouth. Rather have a refurbed D4.

It also was designed in Canada using an Italian motor... Probably assembled in China.

If it was from China I might spend $300-400 tops....

Even that I'd search craigslist for a used Rainbow.

 

[joshdonnell]

Sirena

Man114 your right. i asked the Sirena company on facebook where the vacuum was assembled . they said in china. Under the supervision of the canadian engineers.

 

[gsheen]

I own a Vacuum shop and can tell you one thing. Unlike big box stores most of your customers are either return customers or referred by other customers. Selling a unknown brand can be fairly easy as the customer is not buying a vacuum from an unknown company but from you, the vacshop they have been going to for the past 5 years, the vacuum shop their whole family and neighborhood uses.

The best thing a company that is launching a new brand can do is launch it through existing vacuum shops.

Gareth

 

[mark40511]

I think it's "Wet Dust Can't Fly"

I don't think it's "dirt"

But if you watch the video, it's funny how it's almost as if they invented the first water filtration vacuum.

Still, I think it looks kind of cool, but I doubt that quality is not the same as Rainbow.

 

[electromatik]

Well ralph123, Rainbows command high prices because they normally last for decades while the lesser models do not. The Rainbow is a higher level of equipment. The Sirena may pan out to be durable or it may not. It's not known as of yet. I don't find Rainbows "dubious" values at all and a great many of their users don't either. Most of their machines are sold new in the home and I've known several people personally who invited them to come and demonstrate the machine because they wanted one. I hate their demonstration model also as they are by far the pushiest but it wouldn't stop me from buying it for the reason that I like the wet pick-up ability and the shampooer in addition to the durability of the machine.

Dysonman1 you misunderstood what I wrote. I didn't state that Rainbow's customers were all "rich." I stated that they are selling to customers who are willing to purchase a higher-end machine. How they purchase is up to them regardless of the sales pitch. You cannot make people buy something if they don't REALLY want it. I've had many door-to-door reps come to my door and leave with no sale.

Anyway, I don't really care whether Sirena makes it in the U.S. market or not as I have no investment in it and am not currently in the market for a water vacuum. It may or may not be a success but it probably won't ruin Rexair. There's room enough for all.

 

[man114]

Our local office does it strictly by a no pressure sales instead focusing on the merits of the machine. They also do all in house service cheaper than the the vac shops. I'm sure there are others like that, and others that aren't, a fault of the distribution system.

Unlike the Kirby guys you practicallly have to call the police on to get them out of your house.

I digress though. The Sirena is made in China, which I pretty much suspected. If it was maybe $300-400 at Sears or Wal-Mart I'd probably buy one. At $895 it seems really steep for an unproven Chinese version of a Rainbow. You could buy a used D4, possibly an E Series for that price & know parts are available, and will be in the future.

I know Rexiar sticks to that model for a good reason, because it allows them total price control.

My concern buying this would be is that it seems like an overpriced but cheaply made knockoff, they can prove me wrong by delivering a quality product. I'd still prefer it it was USA or Canadian made. This isn't like plucking down $399 for a Fantom when they first came out, this is double the cost and not even made in North America.

There are plenty of used Rainbows around. I just can't see it, maybe its me.

Maybe if they sold it on late night infomercial for $399.

 

[joshdonnell]

Sirena

Its like most products designed somewhere then made or assembled in another country. But you never know it could be a really great product.

 

[man114]

Since we're back on the Sirena subject I contacted them directly last night to get some more information about more technical aspects of the product. I'll see how they respond. A quick and professional reponse would leave me with a better feel for how things are going to be. Particularly if you try and buy parts or get warranty service. All the closest authorized "dealers" appear to be nothing other than internet websites.

This means that service is going to have to come from a vac shop or Sirena directly at least until a dealer network gets established that includes vac shops to repair them. Consequently I'd even set up to service them if they became a big hit, someone has to do it. If you buy from some internet site you'll be shipping it off to Canada or to a vac shop, but if the vac shop isn't a dealer they're still going to have to go to Sirena for parts.

Here we're close to the company (much like Fantom), Fantom set up to import them through Buffalo for US distribution, they eventually got into major retailers but had to establish their name through infomercials (something Sirena could do). If Sirena were to use infomercials they'd simply have to be careful as to their wording as to not infringe on any Rainbow trademarks (some of the stuff is pretty close).

So as of now they've got mostly internet dealers, not many and aside from the Canadian ones not many close to me. Price seems pretty much fixed at about $895. The markup has to be pretty hefty as they're assembled in China. I remember back when the Fantom Fury was coming from Canada (if I recall the last of them were from China) the markup was still pretty decent for a north american built product. That means it can't be totally cost prohibitive to build over hear, especially at that price.

But it can be done, Fantom did and it was only their doing that also undid them. Time will tell, I'll let everyone know if they get back to me.

 

[canuck]

Sirena Dealers

Sirena has only been shipping product since October 10th, 2013. There are currently 30+ North American dealers, and only 2 are solely internet based (Allbrands & Unbeatablesales). With 5 representatives currently on the road (2 in Canada and 3 in the USA) the number of dealers is expected to rise quickly.
BTW a special congratulations to our Puerto Rico and Edmonton AB dealers who sold out of product in their first 2 weeks!
There is no question the Sirena is best retailed in traditional storefront locations where customers can handle the product, ask questions and be assured they will get ongoing customer service. Of course we could offer the Sirena to the big box stores (we have other products in Costco and TheBay), however in the end the consumer would suffer and our reputation would be tarnished.
Rest assured that once we have sufficient volume (approximately 2000 units a month) production will be moved to North America, and the volume should keep the price static.
Follow this link to see the current retailers:
https://sirenasystem.ca/dealer-locator/

 

[ralph123]

production in North America

Canuck,

I hear there's a pretty good vacuum manufacturer in St James, Missouri that could likely build your product in North America...

 

[Dragonsyt57]

Sirena

I'm still using the Rainbow I sold my mom in 1978,so I'm curious as to how well the Sirena will hold up,also is Sirena associated with Rexair?

 

[mark40511]

I've gotten tired of using

my Sirena. I end up using my Rainbow because it doesn't take as long to set up or clean up at the end. I don't like the dolly on the Sirena. I mean, the machine does what it's supposed to but I do not think the separator is nearly as good as the one on the Rainbow....the fans on my Sirena have more visible dirt on them after a few uses than my 8 year old rainbow does. Additionally, I took the hepa off and I saw visible dirt on that too. So I'm not sure what to think about that because it works exactly like rainbow. I can see someone who does not have a rainbow using this a lot....but since I have both, if I had to do it over again, I would not buy the Sirena (unless I did not have a rainbow). It was a totally unnecessary purchase for me (not typical of me).

This all said, it does do a good job. The hepa is very easy to wash, suction is good, tools are nice and high quality (not as high quality as rainbow) but still high quality.

 

[markhenry]

Sorry to bring up an old thread...


Having decided on a Miele ($1200) with electric brush as recomended by members on this forum... compare to the $4000 price tag of the Rainbow...

The $1200 on the Miele Electrobrush model canister (top end with LED lights on brush etc) comes up to the price of buying a Sirena for $1500 brand new.

The Miele has a 2 year manufacturer warranty but people claim their Miele has lasted in excess of 15 years. The Sirena on other hand has 10 year warranty on motor and 3 years on parts...

So from that perspective i say much better but it may not last 20 years, so though it is warrantied for 10 and miele only 2 the Miele may last longer in the end... However buying bags and HEPA filters over the next 10 years, I could have bought another Sirena for that money Soooo.......

So my simple question is... between a Miele C3 Electro model and Serina... which one will clean the floor better? (Carpet, duat, cat hair, sand, deep cleaning etc)

 

[n0oxy]

they will both clean well

Both machines will clean well, the difference of course is the filtration. When it comes to raw cleaning power, that is suction and airflow, the Miele will beat the Sirena hands down. The raw cleaning power of a water filtration machine, even a rainbow is about 30 years behind current bagged models. But, remember that as long as the machine has enough power to remove the dirt from what you are cleaning, it is doing its job and the water filtration machines have no problem with that. Your Miele will work just fine for your needs, but if you chose to get a Sirena, it would also work. I have a sirena and I really like it, probably going to use it this weekend actually. One thing a Sirena has that the Miele and many other vacuums do not is the ability to be used as a blower. This may or may not matter to you but it may come in handy. The Sirena can also be used to clean up wet spills, although it will not hold near as much as most wet dry vacs. I also have a Miele C1 Olympus and again it's a good machine. So it really comes down to whether you prefer a water filtration machine or a machine that uses bags.
Mike

 

[ultralux88]

The Rainbows with the "Hurricane" motor are much more powerful than the Sirena. I believe the Sirena is using the same motor as the prototype separator type Big Power I have, its labeled Ametek Italia and it looks identical to a Lindhaus (Rotafil) made motor, but single fan and with a separator attached. I think the Ocean Blue used this motor too, if not it was one of the other machines like that.

 

[kirbysthebest]

Sirens will move 90 CFM
Rainbow does about 60 CFM.

 

[n0oxy]

sirena is actually slightly more powerful

First, let me say that both a Rainbow and a Sirena have enough power to clean well. Having said that, the Sirena is slightly more powerful, especially when using the nonelectric hose. One way you can measure the raw power of a vacuum is to attach a turbo brush to it and see how fast it will spin. Granted, this doesn't mean that a vacuum that spins it a bit slower will not be able to clean, but it is an interesting test. The Sirena is able to spin my rug rat turbo brush a bit faster than my Rainbow E2 black. So, the Sirena's raw power is slightly higher. It does use a motor made by the Italian division of Ametek. Both the Rainbow and Sirena spin a turbo brush about as fast as vacuums such as the Electrolux 1205, Compact C6, etc. That's why I said that the cleaning power of these water filtration machines was about 30 or 40 years behind the power of a current model bagged canister. While these tests are interesting, we still need to keep the basic question in mind, does the machine have enough power to remove dirt from the surface being cleaned, and the answer is yes.
Mike

 

[vacuumdevil]

Once you actually use a sirena. You'll go right back to a rainbow or other vacuum of preference.

The quality is pretty horrific. The hose and powerhead are pretty bad the hose is a little too short for the machine and the power head is real cheep feeling.

 

[markhenry]

So what they really need to do, is get with the times and produce a Rainbow that has the airflow of over 120 CFM like a kirby, then the price tag which is the same as a kirby will be justified + you get water filtration.

Might just wait until they wake up and produce a Rainbow model that has a real motor in it then.