The new Numatics - the spec

[madabouthoovers]

I cant believe that the turbo brush works so well with only a 580W motor, as on RyRy87's video. Makes you wonder doesn't it. Miele and Sebo will have to reduce the wattages on a lot of their models, especially the cylinders, as most of them are over 2000W max. I was initially worried that lowering the wattages on the cylinder models would mean that the turbo floorheads wouldn't work well any longer. It remains to be seen what will happen. I know on my Henry, the turbo brush (AiroBrush) will work on the 600W lo setting, but I always use the 1200W Hi setting for better results.

 

[sebo_fan]

Miele and SEBO already have cylinder vacuums in other EU countries with low watts. Also SEBO's D series commercial vacuum version has 1200 watts - it's only a matter of time before they lower that model even further to meet the 900 watt legislation. The reason that they are not here is simply because the brand has tried previously and models weren't high sellers. Buyers apparently wanted higher power, and both Miele, Bosch and SEBO met the customer's demand responding with 2100, 2200 and in Bosch's case, 2500 watts and even higher.

Same with Electrolux who had a lime green Powerlite bagged upright with 800 watts. It didn't sell well.

 

[hi-loswitch98]

Also, Hoover's Athos is around 2400w & 2500w, but they have an Eco 1000 watt version. They will probably launch that in the UK & lower the wattages of the Telios & Enigma models.

 

[sebo_fan]

I really like the Athos but I wish it was here already.

 

[hi-loswitch98]

I like the Athos too. The Nanopack system looks good.

 

[sebo_fan]

The Nanospace idea is a good one but I find it flawed, or rather my neighbour did. She had one on a Mistral bagless vac and the clips didn't last.

Sometimes I wonder what Hoover Europe are on. Customers or owners aren't going to put up with rather silly design elements that break off too quickly - that and those silly tools that clip onto the handles, only for the storer to break off when required quickly.

Hoover designed proper tools back in the 1980s and 1990s. They're not exactly heavy, so I'm puzzled as to why Hoover can't include them on the bodies of the cylinder vacs as opposed to cheaply made external tool storers that don't last that well.

 

[hi-loswitch98]

Like the Telios you mean? I do agree I find the machine looks less cluttered when tools store in the body of the cleaner as opposed to 3 on a tool holder put on the hose or extension tube.

 

[sebo_fan]

Yes, the original Telios had tool storage (as well as the current TeliosPlus) but even before that the Alpina and the ARIA models also had tool storage under a flap on the main body and further behind them, Hoover's Sensotronic and other models had tool storage under the lid.

Its like Hoover have gone back two steps with adding external tool holders that were previously only restricted to budget models like the Arrianne.

 

[vintagerepairer]

"Hoover designed proper tools back in the 1980s and 1990s. They're not exactly heavy, so I'm puzzled as to why Hoover can't include them on the bodies of the cylinder vacs as opposed to cheaply made external tool storers that don't last that well"

Why? Because what they are doing now is much cheaper and easier. The very moment that James Dyson designed a cleaner retailing at over £200, with tools strapped to the hose, it really lowered the bar for everyone else. "Quality" became a thing of the past, and if the most expensive cleaners did not have such facilities as on-board tools and people were buying them, it raised the question as to whether the competition needed to bother.

 

[sebo_fan]

If that was the case, Benny, then ALL cylinder vacs in Hoover's price range as rivals would have tools clipped to the hose or under the handle - they do not.

Electrolux/AEG/Zanussi still produce the venerable cylinder vac that takes bags and has tools under a flap. Dirt Devil UK has a bagged cylinder model that has tools under a flap. Both of their models aren't as well built as Hoover, so there is really no excuse.