The Hoover Bag Cleaner Revisited!

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charles~richard

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When I was back east on my concert trip, I had a chance to visit my vac buddy Bob Kautzman who had a wonderful surprise for me -- he had totally rebuilt my Hoover Bag Cleaner! See link.

That means I now have two of them, so, yes, one goes to eBay. I certainly don't need both of them, and can surely use a little income right now! Concert trips seem to have a way of costing more than the remuneration involved, so I thought I'd give someone else a chance to have one of these very rare beasts and hopefully take in a little "mad money."

Later tonight I'll add a video link to my web site of the Bag Cleaner in action.


http://www.137.com/bagcleaner
 
I have also seen this interesting machine. Between knowing that Charles had two, and the $1.37 price it is very easy to tell who the seller is. The machine is very cool but I can't afford it.

I'm supprised that no one has attempted to beat the reserve yet.
 
Somewhat of a exclusive interest only had by the true collec

$1.37
Ebay isn't always the place for the real unusual specific stuff.

& alot of us really are looking for the bargain basement vacs.

Hope you find the right buyer on Ebay. Just the right collector who wants to complete his hoover collection & appreciates its rarety.

I;ve had Nekrassoff pewter not sell & it was below value practically value of lead.LOL
Had Sterling silver sell for less that silver content!

Good thing you have a reserve.


Good Luck
 
On certain things that I am not sure about how much interest people will have in them, I do place a reserve. The one thing I do not do is reveal the reserve amount because I really don't want people to feel that the reserve has any bearing on what I think the item is worth or what I hope to get for it. It's simply set, as you have noted, to keep from having to part with something for just as buck or two when either it would not be worth the hassle of packing and shipping it, or I feel its value it higher than that. Especially when I myself have invested a pretty substantial amount in something.

I too am a little surprised (and disappointed) that there have been no bids on it. I really did think something that rare and hard to find would attract a lot of interest. If not, back to the garage it goes.
 
Hi Charles...

Glad to see you're back with us! :)

I for one would be bidding like crazy, I'd love to own one of these! However, when you add the price of the reserve (whatever you have that set at), last minute sniping, and the international shipping, it just mounts up too much.

But believe me, if I lived a little nearer I'd be more than happy to give it a good home!
 
I would be interested in a Hoover Bag Cleaner-but just don't want to hassle with EBAY.the price on the unit is a REAL bargain.The device would be helpful to vacuum collectors as well as a collector item-I have LOTS of bags to try it out on!
 
Charlie,

I agree with the others about reserve prices. To me when I see a reserve price it makes me think the seller wants way to much for the item. The last minute bidding and back stabbing gets old really fast. For me, I won't buy anything off Ebay unless it has a buy it now price. I don't mess with bidding. If I want something, I would rather just click "buy it now" and know it is mine. That being said, if you don't get a lot of bids the first time around on your bag cleaner, why not trying to put a buy it now price on it? This is just my opinion, I don't think a couple hundred dollars is too much to ask for it. Maybe more. I am sure there are many diehard Hoover collectors who would LOVE to make this a part of their collection. How cool would it be to be able to clean all of your Hoover Convertible bags out with an actual bag cleaner made by Hoover. :-) Anyways, don't worry about the price being to expensive. For me, there are some Lux items that are missing from my collection that I would be willing to throw down some bucks on if they ever appear on Ebay. I guess it just depends on the individual collector and that collectors needs/wants.

P.S. I know I am going on and on, but I have been up for over 24 hours. I have Bronchitis and an upper respiratory infection and can't sleep. I am on codene, antibiotics, inhalers, etc. So I am just sitting here bored as hell and typing away. LOL. Maybe the codene is getting to me! :-) hehe
 
Reserves, and Sniping

I am of two minds about hidden reserves on eBay. I can see how some people might perceive it as a seller trying to get too much for something -- especially those people who still think that old vacuums are only worth $15-20.

But why just automatically assume a reserve is too high for you? All you have to do is place a bid at what you are comfortable paying: You'll either hit the reserve or you won't.

Furthermore, after what I have seen some machines sell for -- both on eBay and privately -- and after what I myself have paid for some of them, I =know= that's not the case any longer (that old vacuums have little or no value).

When most of us collectors were isolated from one another and most of us were "still in the cleaning closet" about our interest, when no one knew anyone was running around secretly piling up stashes of old sweepers, the perception =was= that old vacs had no value. They certainly weren't showing up in antique boutiques or on Antiques Roadshow!

But for better or worse, and like it or not, that has changed due to the Internet, and, yes, eBay. With more and more collectors coming out of the woodwork and networking with one another, appearing on tv shows and getting some level of visibility in the general public, demand for old vacuums has increased and, thus, the value of them has, overall, gone up.

I really do hope people don't think I am some greedy old bastard who wants thousands and thousands of dollars for the things I sell. I really do wish I could afford to just give stuff away to people; and the fact is that I certainly have given away plenty of machines. I just don't make a big deal about it.

But with certain things, where I believe there is substantial value in them, and particularly where I myself have a lot invested in them, is it really so small-minded of me to want to see a little bit of profit on them? Especially given my perpetual state of impoverishment? Being a "starving musician" certainly comes with a price.

Then as to sniping, well, those who take issue with the amounts being paid for some old vacs ought to CELEBRATE the art of sniping! What BETTER way to keep the prices down?!

I have seen this myself and indeed have had a change of heart from my once-very-firm stance against sniping. Too many times I would place a bid on something early in the listing and wouldn't you know it, here comes all these other people putting down bids and running the prices up to where I couldn't afford them!

Then a fellow collector let me in on a secret: There are some clever (sneaky?) eBay users who routinely look through other people's profiles to see what they are bidding on (yes, there is a way to do that). That is a very good way to find machines that do not show up favorably on the search listings (far more than you may think -- eBay's search function is very ineffective and haphazard). The way to prevent "showing your hand" is to wait until the auction is about to end and place a snipe bid. Because what other people CANNOT see is things you are watching.

Oh, and speaking of giving away machines, I need to straighten out my garage again so I can get to several machines I have promised people. (Tania, Ken, I haven't forgotten!) It's not a total mess as it was before, it's just very full - thanks mostly to the large haul from the "Treasure Hunt" in Glendale earlier this year.

(And that's another whole issue ... a lot of the things I got from that old vac shop, and did pay pretty substantially for, I am probably going to end up having to give away because I'm not going to have time to work on them.) I also just need to do a general reorganizing, and find a happy corner on my work bench for my bag cleaner!


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All that being said, Logan, I am sorry for going on even longer, and I hope you feel better. Be VERY careful about that bronchitis. You MUST get plenty of rest and sleep. Don't make the mistake I did, around this time last year, when I got bronchitis, ignored it, and ended up flat on my back for six weeks with pneumonia.
 
I'm of no mind about it because it's not for me to say and/or none of my business what a person asks for their stuff. Doesn't mean I can't have a chuckle or roll my eyes at an outlandish starting bid but hey you never know. Out of the millions of people ebaying there's always a possibility that one of them may want an item desperately enough to pay handsomly for it. It's not scamming, it's a marketplace and nobody holds a gun to anyones head forcing them to buy. I'm thrilled when some of the things I've sold have gone for big bucks. It supports my sickn errr hobby.
 
Thanks Charlie. Don't worry about going on and on, both you and I are long winded sometimes. Nothin' wrong with that! Yeah I'm sort of laying low for a few days or so. I don't want my bronchitis to turn into something worse...
 
I thought that was you selling that and I wrote you saying

" is this the famous Charles richard lester"???
basically I wanted to say hi
e mail me sometime
Mike
 
Oh hi Mike, well, I had no idea who it was since you did not identify yourself in your contact to me.

There are some real creeps on eBay; I have heard from a couple of them just recently relative to this very transaction in fact. I almost did not reply to you at all since I did not know who it was.
 
Sniping

I've decided sniping is a good thing -as a buyer. When I shop eBay the only way I bid is by auctionsniper. Basically it's for my own good. Going in I decide how much I'm willing to pay, and I hit the "Snipe it now!" button on my Firefox task bar and I walk away. One or twice there was an item I really wanted and as the auction drew to a close the bids started rolling in and I kept upping my bid, I got the item but at 25% more that I really wanted to pay and more than I could comfortable afford, all because of the heat of the moment.

I've learned that most always an item will show up again and I will have another chance. When I snipe I just walk away, if I win, fine if not fine.
 
Those who remember the big fuss I kicked up about sniping a few years ago will appreciate what a change of heart it is for me to say I now accept that procedure.

There really is no other way to keep one's bidding under control -- because of the snoopers I mentioned earlier as well as the point raised above, that sniping eliminates the temptation to sit there and keep obsessively bidding over and over, higher and higher, to the point where it becomes a stubborn and irresistable urge to keep bidding until you win. Or not.

It's kinda like playing the slots in Vegas ... "I'll just put in ONE MORE quarter..." == said at 4:45 in the morning after sitting there all night and have already put in hundreds of quarters.

Sniping is a good safety valve against "bidder's remorse" that almost always sets in when someone gets bidding fever and goes way higher than they should have, or intended to.

"My name is Poindexter, and I am an eBayoholic."

(Whatcha wanna bet there will soon be a 12-step recovery groupsfor eBay Addicts, if there isn't one already.)
 
Now I'm just fine with sniping, but I am very opposed to auto sniping. I think of sniping as a bit of a sport. The one with the fastest fingers and best timing wins. "Robo sniping" as I call it, seems to take the fun away from the process. No risk, no adrenilin, no fun, no fair. A computer never screws up the timing and gives the "robo sniper" an serious advantage to every conventional ebay user.

From what I have read on the topic, many auction sites actualy outlaw automated sniping by making a user enter a scrambled code prior to bidding.

Really, if ebay made last minute bidding easier, you would never need sniping software in the first place. If ebay had a live auction countdown clock and true one click bidding it would level the playing field for everyone. You would always know what time it really is, and placing a bid would be almost instant. I doubt this would ever happen (at least not soon) considering how ebay loves to run a site using web code that is full of holes and feels like it came from the Windows 98 era.

Just my two cents.
 

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