Smaller... Check.

[brandon_w_t]

Well...

I find dyson way overpriced. My mom cried when she found out how much better the kirby was, and she had to spend well over $500 for the dyson just less than a year ago.

We have done the tests. Kirbys Dyson, Dirt Devil. And the trusty Concept one

Our Dirt Devil Swift, cleaned the same as the dyson, but quicker. it could not get out all the baking soda. Or the shavings.

Concept one and kirbys did it all. Concept one was a little slow. Kirby picked all powder up in 2 passes. And 4 in all for it all.

I totally disagree about the plastic they use. I have no idea where you got that info, but it is in fact the same plastic that my $40 dirt devil has. Cheap.


And that is why our diesoon was **smashed** and trashed. Quite an easy smash. It all fell apart with one swing. Darn thing just did not hold up. For $500, I want steel.


I hate dyson. Sorry, but they suck in some bad ways.

 

[brandon_w_t]

well said lux1521

Thats what I think about them.

Clogging bags?!?! NEVER on a kirby!!!

The dyson did clog in the canister. All the time. Never passed 1/2 full without the motor changing pitches and not sucking anymore.

And to think- walmart sells this for $499 still

ROYAL should be on those shelves.

 

[kirbykid1]

Brandon you dont know the facts I do. You just got here and I have talked to many people and you are argueing about subjects that people have studied for years. I have learned all of this from the man that has the vacuum many people only dream of. Who else on the face of the planet has a cyclon. I know your going to ask whats a cyclon? Its James Dyson first design. Its not the G-force that had a auto height adjustment. Its the only one that exist except for James Dyson. Dont argue with fact you dont know. That is polycarbonate. I can beat it with a metal pole for 5 hours and it still works. Just dont argue when you dont know the facts. People like Shanon Tom Gasko and I we know what were talking about we research Dyson.

 

[xraytech]

Everything is bound to have a loss of suction at some point in time, just some things sooner than others.

I would personally NEVER use a bagless vacvuum, I think the bagged versions are more sanitary, and for the record my Generation has never had any noticable suction loss, not even with cheap generic bags, it is more capable than any other vacuum at cleaning up pine needles without a suction loss or clogging.

Evan, you also need to remember that there is no one vacuum for everyone which is why there are so many choices. Just because you like your Dyson dosent mean I will, personally I hate them and will never try one let alone buy one because I refuse to use bagless plus to me it does not even look user friendly and I think they are an over rated and over priced hunk of gawdy colored plastic. That is why everyone is different and entitled to their own opinions, so there is nothing wrong with what Brandon thinks of Dyson.

 

[kirbykid1]

Brandon look at the link and go to the picture that has the title a new idea. You will see what happens. Explore click on the clear bin I mean they would be in trouble if what they said wasnt true.

http://www.dyson.co.uk/insidedyson/

 

[xraytech]

I also forgot to say Evan, that just because Brandon is new to the group that dosen't me he dosen't know what he is talking about, people know about vacuums before they join this group otherwise no one would be here if it wasn't something we put time into and are passionate about.
And you or anyone else no matter how much you may think otherwise dosen't have all the awnsers about Dyson or anything else and everything is debatable because this is all a matter of personal opinion.
So please start being nice to Brandon he is only sharing his opinion and his experience with his family's Dyson and their other vacuums.

 

[shanonabc]

I agree with the fact that every vacuum will clog.... Some less easily than others.

In my experience for my Dysons to clog I need to completely overload them with fine dust.

Here is a piccie of my DC21 filter after 2 months of use compared to a newie... No difference in suction power...

xraytech - I agree with you... There are so many different brands and models for a reason... If someone doesn't like a Dyson for whatever reason there is a Kirby?Hoover/Nilfisk/Electolux that they should like... Just an example... It is useless to fit everyone into the same peg hole...

 

[vintagehoover]

Clog...clog...clog...

Brandon, Evan is correct in what he says. A vacuum cleaner dustbag is not just there to hold the dirt; it acts as a filter, which separates the dirt from the airstream, as the dust particles get caught in the pourous bag's surface area. As you continue to vacuum, more and more of the bag's surface area gets clogged with dirt particles, which stifle the airflow through the machine, and reduce it's performance. This is demonstrable, scientific fact. Dyson have drawn the public's attention to the problem, and used it to their great advantage. Awareness of the problem is nothing new, though; in 1916, Hoover were printing in their manuals:

'The bag should be emptied frequently, because a dirty bag will reduce the efficiency of the sweeper.'

In 1919, they wrote,'Empty the bag after each cleaning, as a dirty bag holds in the air, and retards the machine in it's cleaning.'

In Model 305's manual, they went even futher:

'Empty the bag after every cleaning. All cleaners are most efficient when the dirt bags are clean. As the bag collects the dirt, the flow of air through it is decreased and a pressure is developed which reduces the effiency of the cleaner.'

So you see, it's not just something Dyson made up!

HOWEVER, to what extent the clogging reduces cleaning performance in vacuums is a hotly debated topic! For instance, 'Which? Magazine', the UK equivalent of Consumer Report, noted in April 2007, ‘Our tests have found no link between the presence or absence of a bag, and cleaning ability.’ I'm sure people here will queue up to tell you how many cleaners, vintage and modern, will give perfectly acceptable performance with a half-full bag, which I would agree with in many (not all!) cases.

I have no preference between bagged or bagless cleaners. What I like about bags is their simple, neat, tidy and clean nature of dust-disposal. What I don't like about them is the cost - really decent ones, such as Miele's, are pretty darn expensive for something you're ultimately going to end up binning! What I like about Dyson is that it is simple, and relatively clean compared to other brands, to dump the dirt in the outside bin, click the canister back into place and keep going. To me, that's the real advantage of bagless cleaners, not the whole clogging issue....

 

[kirbykid1]

Brandon Im sorry I was harsh I just get very "passionate" about when people bash other brands.

 

[shanonabc]

Nicely said VH... I like the same thing with mine... I would never be bothered to buy bags again after my Dysons...

 

[kirbykid1]

Tommorow there will be a youtube video proving my point btw. Flour and a Kirby and Dyson. We shall see.

 

[vintagehoover]

To address the other 'clogging' issue...

...ie, an obstruction in an airduct which chokes off the airflow: I've never experienced this with a Dyson - but then I take care when I'm vacuuming, and I pick up anything risky before I begin, since I have respect for machines I've exchanged my own money for!

It's usually people who've failed to qualify for their 'Vacuuming Licence' (lol) who have issues here! The culprits are usually those neglect to remove hairpins, coins, socks etc, which is a wise precaution with any vacuum.

Dyson have helpfully provided two easily removable blockage-check points for those users who probably don't deserve them...

 

[vintagehoover]

I forgot to add, these users will also be the ones who chronically-overload their washing machines, fail to top-up their wiper-fluid and check tyre pressure, and spend a lot of time complaining, 'nothing ever works anymore. They don't make things like they used to...'

 

[brandon_w_t]

Kirbykid1

I think your great! And another young collector is great.

I am sure you know a million things more about dyson than I do.

I have had just too many things break and not work well on mine, that it had to go- in the most unnecessary way.

We took a golf club to the dirt cup, and well it was gone in a million pieces with one hit. The motor was already dead, not sure how long it would have lasted if it did.
And the other plastic craced and chipped off. Dust everywhere of course -cup was full and the whole machine was clogged up, so it all went everywhere in the circle.

It was quite the nasty way to rid of a vacuum, but it was so messed up, and my brothers are quite happy with smashing things.
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I am sure I had a very early dyson. And that they have made many great improvements.


But that always takes me back to this question- if bags are so bad, why do the top vacuum cleaners use bags?

 

[xraytech]

Brabdon

Essentially the bagless thing in my opinion is repackaging an old concept to make it seem new. It is really similar to shake out cloth bags before being replaced with "All New" hygenic disposable dust bags "That only need changed a few times a year" and "You never have to toucj or see the germ laden dirt again". Eventually as time goes on someone will make disposable dust bags seem like a new idea after people forgot all about them ever being around. It's just a marketing thing to make people want something because it is "All new" plus being able to see the dirt swirl around makes people think it is something better whether it is or not.

 

[brandon_w_t]

True

But no matter how good or bad a dyson or well any new vacuum is, Im not letting go of my Hoover 800 or original Kirby 518.

Now those are real bagless machines for you.

 

[vintagehoover]

Vintage Hoovers and modern Dysons aren't incompatible in the same collection - rather, they make for a wonderful and interesting contrast

 

[vintagehoover]

vs.

 

[tolivac]

Dyson and other bagless vacuums-I have a couple of Dysons in my collection-the DC07 I got from a Kirby dealer-the machine smelled like dog and all of the dogs long hairs were wrapped around its tiny brushroll-with all that hair-maybe its a floor buffer instead?I cleaned away all of the hair.Replaced the filter-but went to Best Buy and bought a new one-struggled in taking apart the cyclone assembly-was amazed how much SMELLY dirt was in there!Washed it out-dried and put the thing back together-now works and no doggy smell.no wonder they traded the machine in.I am afraid cyclones are not perfect filtering devices either.For severla years I dealt with the stationary ones used in woodshops.Used to empty the ones in the high school woodshops when I went to school.Un der the main cyclone unit was a 55 gal barrel to catch the larger shavings and such.On the discharge of the cyclone unit was a filter bag with a lever connected to it-you shook the lever to shake the fine dust from the bag-it fell into another 55 gan drum.Sometimes was a dusty job-I felt the same way when I dumpted my Dysons-sort of like that woodshop dust collector.So cyclones aren't new they are over 100 yrs old.I am afraid I can't buy a cyclone filtering out smoke and other very fine particles-won't happen-no motor or fan can spin fast enough-not even the new "digital" one.Some smoke particles are at the molecular level-no filter will trap them.Its interesting when I have used any of my Kirbys with their dirtmeters-they collect all kinds of dirt from my floors.When I try the Dyson-esp the DC07 I don't get much of anything.Dysons are interesting vacuums-like the others but they can't perform magic.And I don't like the pretty Dyson plastic compared to Kirby,Royal shiny more durable metal.I don't think ANY Dyson cleaner is going to last like the Kirbys,Royals or other metal vacuums.And at the vac places I go to here-the Dysons brought in are dirty,smelly and the dust cups long fogged up from the dirt and dust.At the store-the new Dyson looks pretty nice-but after being the feild-they look and smell horrible.The Dyson "Ball" I have works better than the DC07 but not better than my Kirbys or Royals-or Hoovers for that matter.You can adjust the other machines to the proper height-but not the Dyson.The Dyson hand tools are hard to use-the Kirbys and others are easier.I feel the "bagless" machines will be a trend that comes and goes.

 

[williamr1248]

Smaller...check

Well guys...what an interesting thread!
I have had my Dyson almost 3 months now and this is what I have found in use:
The good stuff:
(1) love the long cord
(2) quiet operation
(3) strong suction
(4) easiest to empty bagless I have ever used
(5) beautiful color-cheerful to use
BUT:
The not so good stuff:
(1) difficult for me to carry
(2) may remove more dirt-but doesn't make my carpet look very good
(3) damaged 2 rugs becuase of stiff brush
(4) it's the first new vac that I have had a part break already-even the $38.00 Walmart Bissell didn't do that
(5) biggest gripe is that it has no middle stop in the handle-so I am always having to lift it from one floor surface to another.
Summary: For me it is a very good vacuum in concept (like the Rainbow) but for me not a good choice for everyday use. I still go back to my Kirby.
A very wise vacuum collector told me when I first joined the group that the "best" vacuum is the one that you will actually use. No matter how good a vacuum is ,if you don't like to use it-not very much dirt will be picked up.
That is the way I am about the Oreck too. I just don't personally like to use it because of all the noise and no attachments. Different people just like different vacuums.