crazykirbydude
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I was thinking about trading my Model G for the Convertible. Should I do it?
Should I Trade An Electrolux Model G For A Hoover Custom Convertible?
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wyaple
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Well, What's Your Final Goal?
My U4007 Custom Convertible does 107 CFM at the nozzle and can easily pass the flour under the carpet test. So if it's deeper cleaning, the Convertible wins. I will always have a Convertible in my collection, but my wife hates everything about it (looks, sound, etc.). Oh, and with all that airflow pulling the nozzle to the carpet, it is hard to push.
I could listen to it all day (fabulous low rumbling), love its genuine retro looks and of course, you know whatever you point it at, it'll be clean quickly.
Bill
My U4007 Custom Convertible does 107 CFM at the nozzle and can easily pass the flour under the carpet test. So if it's deeper cleaning, the Convertible wins. I will always have a Convertible in my collection, but my wife hates everything about it (looks, sound, etc.). Oh, and with all that airflow pulling the nozzle to the carpet, it is hard to push.
I could listen to it all day (fabulous low rumbling), love its genuine retro looks and of course, you know whatever you point it at, it'll be clean quickly.
Bill
jimjimmunster
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A Hoover will run circles around a Elux.
Id go for it. Hoovers are the best of the best (50 years ago atleast).
Id go for it. Hoovers are the best of the best (50 years ago atleast).
rugsucker
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Why not BOTH!
As Oreck has learned a good combination for many houses is an upright for rugs and carpets and canister with hose and attachments for hard floors,furniture,cars,stairs and endless other jobs.For years a classic combo was an Electrolux AND a Hoover.Such as a Mo XXX & Hoover 700 or Mo G & Convertible or 1205 & Dial A Matic or ??.
As Oreck has learned a good combination for many houses is an upright for rugs and carpets and canister with hose and attachments for hard floors,furniture,cars,stairs and endless other jobs.For years a classic combo was an Electrolux AND a Hoover.Such as a Mo XXX & Hoover 700 or Mo G & Convertible or 1205 & Dial A Matic or ??.
wyaple
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Hans,
So you believe that either Electrolux and/or all vacuum manufacturers haven't had the same level of "refinement" since 1966 (last year for the G)?
Bill
So you believe that either Electrolux and/or all vacuum manufacturers haven't had the same level of "refinement" since 1966 (last year for the G)?
Bill
The Model G was marketed in two colors: aquamarine green from 1961-66 and tan from 1966-68. From the mid-1960s to the mid-1970s (G & 1205) Electrolux changed colors of the bodies or trim of its tanks to signify motor upgrades or changes or a new power nozzle. In the Model G's case, the tan version's motor had more rpms.
Simply...YES
The model G in both variations is quieter and smoother running than anything Electrolux has built since and quieter and smoother than I would say 90 percent of everything built since 68 the last year of the G...There are more powerful machines, Yes, but the quality of the G overall surpasses many and I will go out on a limb and say the G FAR surpasses anything made after the 70s , but I'm VERY opinionated and I really don't have much of anything newer than the 80s,..Ihave tons of uprights, but tanks and canisters are my favorites....Just as I think the Hoover 150 is the finest upright EVER BUILT.
The model G in both variations is quieter and smoother running than anything Electrolux has built since and quieter and smoother than I would say 90 percent of everything built since 68 the last year of the G...There are more powerful machines, Yes, but the quality of the G overall surpasses many and I will go out on a limb and say the G FAR surpasses anything made after the 70s , but I'm VERY opinionated and I really don't have much of anything newer than the 80s,..Ihave tons of uprights, but tanks and canisters are my favorites....Just as I think the Hoover 150 is the finest upright EVER BUILT.
real1shep
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I think....
it's apples and oranges...the old argument of canister versus upright. If you ever owned a G, it's not about the CFM/airflow (which are good, but not the best ever made) ...it's about style, silent operation and quality of build. The G was perhaps the last of the 'no holds barred' quality canisters that Elux ever made. The 1205 and all the iterations after that were made to a price point. After the Super J, the models definitely were sacrificial to the next one down the pike in very short order and not really evolving to anything near the quality of the G. I suspect you could say the same about all the old great vac company models at some point in time.
I would NEVER trade a G for ANY upright....especially one of my turquoise G's. They're too hard these days to find in primo condition. However, I'd trade a 1205 and or a Diamond J because I can find those still pretty easily. Probably not trade my Super J either simply for the fact I sprung for a reman armature and a lot of $ parts to make a nice one.
My only fault of the G are the breakable, spindly wheels. I don't know what they were thinking there other than 'discrete' styling.
Kevin
it's apples and oranges...the old argument of canister versus upright. If you ever owned a G, it's not about the CFM/airflow (which are good, but not the best ever made) ...it's about style, silent operation and quality of build. The G was perhaps the last of the 'no holds barred' quality canisters that Elux ever made. The 1205 and all the iterations after that were made to a price point. After the Super J, the models definitely were sacrificial to the next one down the pike in very short order and not really evolving to anything near the quality of the G. I suspect you could say the same about all the old great vac company models at some point in time.
I would NEVER trade a G for ANY upright....especially one of my turquoise G's. They're too hard these days to find in primo condition. However, I'd trade a 1205 and or a Diamond J because I can find those still pretty easily. Probably not trade my Super J either simply for the fact I sprung for a reman armature and a lot of $ parts to make a nice one.
My only fault of the G are the breakable, spindly wheels. I don't know what they were thinking there other than 'discrete' styling.
Kevin
real1shep
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Lol.....
The Dreyfuss Machine Age influence gave us streamline beauty, but sometimes at the expense of real world functionality. Especially when the Machine Age ran headlong into space age/atomic styling.
I've given up on 3D printing....it just seems so elusive for the $$ and layering plastics does not make plastic parts strong enough. Perhaps they'll get it right at a level we can all afford someday. And perhaps virtual reality will take us to Nirvana too...lol.
Kevin
The Dreyfuss Machine Age influence gave us streamline beauty, but sometimes at the expense of real world functionality. Especially when the Machine Age ran headlong into space age/atomic styling.
I've given up on 3D printing....it just seems so elusive for the $$ and layering plastics does not make plastic parts strong enough. Perhaps they'll get it right at a level we can all afford someday. And perhaps virtual reality will take us to Nirvana too...lol.
Kevin
While I have a soft spot for the Model G--aqua or tan--I'd have to say a Convertible would likely outperform it (depending on its condition).
Contrary to collectors' sentiment, the Model G is not the best tank cleaner Electrolux Corporation ever made; but one of the best. I read some comments of a son of Dennis McKee, a former EC & later Consolidated Foods prez, who stated that the Super J 1401 and its early successors (Olympia One 1401/1401-B/1505 and Silverado 1505) were superior to the Model G in performance.
The Model G was made to a price point, too, as evidenced by the cheaper plastic wheels, exhaust diffuser, & pn wand, and the round plug (with the stopper). To me, price point became a more prominent consideration for EC when the Model E was introduced. It was the first not to have a covering on the body, and it fell over easily and had to be retrofitted with a stabilizer (not an oversight, but a way to trim costs until customers complained). If I recall correctly, the early wheels didn't fare as well, either, and had to be redesigned.
Model Gs are easily available online, and they can still be found--albeit not as frequently--in secondhand stores. The Convertible, though, may be harder to obtain depending on the model.
Contrary to collectors' sentiment, the Model G is not the best tank cleaner Electrolux Corporation ever made; but one of the best. I read some comments of a son of Dennis McKee, a former EC & later Consolidated Foods prez, who stated that the Super J 1401 and its early successors (Olympia One 1401/1401-B/1505 and Silverado 1505) were superior to the Model G in performance.
The Model G was made to a price point, too, as evidenced by the cheaper plastic wheels, exhaust diffuser, & pn wand, and the round plug (with the stopper). To me, price point became a more prominent consideration for EC when the Model E was introduced. It was the first not to have a covering on the body, and it fell over easily and had to be retrofitted with a stabilizer (not an oversight, but a way to trim costs until customers complained). If I recall correctly, the early wheels didn't fare as well, either, and had to be redesigned.
Model Gs are easily available online, and they can still be found--albeit not as frequently--in secondhand stores. The Convertible, though, may be harder to obtain depending on the model.
real1shep
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Yeah G's are available online, but often at absurd prices for the condition. I haven't seen any decent G's go through eBay for a long time that I would bid on and two of my four came from eBay.
As far as the Super J, the factory was retooled to the tune of a million dollars to make that bigger motor and canister in-house. In my opinion, it was the biggest and best motor Elux ever used. I don't like the colors of the Super J, but I bought one for its historical significance. The Olympia One and the Silverado after that had the same motor I'm told.
As I said earlier, it's not so much about performance with the G as it is design, the use of all that chrome and the ultra quiet motor.
Kevin
As far as the Super J, the factory was retooled to the tune of a million dollars to make that bigger motor and canister in-house. In my opinion, it was the biggest and best motor Elux ever used. I don't like the colors of the Super J, but I bought one for its historical significance. The Olympia One and the Silverado after that had the same motor I'm told.
As I said earlier, it's not so much about performance with the G as it is design, the use of all that chrome and the ultra quiet motor.
Kevin
Another FINE Electrolux
Is the Canadian models, I'm using a 89 now for dusting chores ,and it IS much stronger than a G...The G is still my favorite, yesthe Super J and later machines do outperform the G...But the G has enough power for me, but I can clean house with a straight suction upright....Stann Kann always said you didn't need all that power..LOL
Is the Canadian models, I'm using a 89 now for dusting chores ,and it IS much stronger than a G...The G is still my favorite, yesthe Super J and later machines do outperform the G...But the G has enough power for me, but I can clean house with a straight suction upright....Stann Kann always said you didn't need all that power..LOL
real1shep
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I wasn't that knowledgeable about vacuums back in the day of the G and the Super J. Seems that someone was perhaps stepping on Elux's tail for them to come out with what they claimed as the most powerful vacuum on the market(Super J) and all the expense of doing that. I don't know what canisters at the time gave the Super J a run for their money?
One of the Diamond J's I have is a force of nature with respect to cleaning. I haven't done any CFM testing but it pulls way more than 80" on my gauge...almost 90. As we know, quite a few other canisters brands/models have pulled more even than that.
As far as the G being made to a price point....to some small degree, you could probably say that about any vac from the early 60's on. But with Elux, it starts to get really noticeable after the G.
Kevin
One of the Diamond J's I have is a force of nature with respect to cleaning. I haven't done any CFM testing but it pulls way more than 80" on my gauge...almost 90. As we know, quite a few other canisters brands/models have pulled more even than that.
As far as the G being made to a price point....to some small degree, you could probably say that about any vac from the early 60's on. But with Elux, it starts to get really noticeable after the G.
Kevin
"After the Super J, the models definitely were sacrificial to the next one down the pike in very short order and not really evolving to anything near the quality of the G."
"As far as the G being made to a price point....to some small degree, you could probably say that about any vac from the early 60's on. But with Elux, it starts to get really noticeable after the G."
Ok, Kevin, I'll bite. How did quality of the G diminish in its earlier successors (1205, 1401, 1401-B, & 1505)? I acknowledge that the 1205 handles were somewhat prone to breaking along with the early pistol grips of the hose; but how is that so different than the cracking plastics used during the G's manufacture?
One item I neglected to mention in my prior reply is that one of EC's price point considerations in the '60s was to stick with the model PN-1 when shag carpet was introduced (albeit the 3-row brush roll was an option). Conversely, Hoover hopped on that right away with a designated shag setting on its '60s D-A-Ms; while EC's more aggressive PN-2 and optional Shag Rug Tool weren't introduced until 1973, going by the '72 and '73 1205 manuals.
"As far as the G being made to a price point....to some small degree, you could probably say that about any vac from the early 60's on. But with Elux, it starts to get really noticeable after the G."
Ok, Kevin, I'll bite. How did quality of the G diminish in its earlier successors (1205, 1401, 1401-B, & 1505)? I acknowledge that the 1205 handles were somewhat prone to breaking along with the early pistol grips of the hose; but how is that so different than the cracking plastics used during the G's manufacture?
One item I neglected to mention in my prior reply is that one of EC's price point considerations in the '60s was to stick with the model PN-1 when shag carpet was introduced (albeit the 3-row brush roll was an option). Conversely, Hoover hopped on that right away with a designated shag setting on its '60s D-A-Ms; while EC's more aggressive PN-2 and optional Shag Rug Tool weren't introduced until 1973, going by the '72 and '73 1205 manuals.
real1shep
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I'm not going to get into it about PN's and the lack of Elux to have something better on the market for the trendy shag carpets of the day. I'm talking about just the canisters.
Much about the G when taken apart compared to the 1205 for example, is just better done. For one thing, it seals and exhausts better. How else would you explain the noise difference between the two which use basically the same motor (late G's & the 1205)? The 'whoosh' is basically gone after the G. There was no hospital 1205. The foot switch on the G is a 'real' heavy duty foot switch affair unlike the 1205 and later. The canister itself in the 1205 has no real styling like the G....it was cheaper to make the 1205's shape which was heralded/sold to be 'more modern'.
I'm not sure if you're trying make this ugly or just a friendly debate. If you're attempting the former, them I'm out. I'm also not going to get into piece by piece why I think the G is better made than its successors. If you wish, just call it a subjective choice on my part......why I think the G was the last great, classic Elux canister vac. I have two 1205's, I have a Super J and I have three Diamond J's. I like all of them for different, varied reasons. However, I feel the G is in a class all of its own.
Kevin
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Much about the G when taken apart compared to the 1205 for example, is just better done. For one thing, it seals and exhausts better. How else would you explain the noise difference between the two which use basically the same motor (late G's & the 1205)? The 'whoosh' is basically gone after the G. There was no hospital 1205. The foot switch on the G is a 'real' heavy duty foot switch affair unlike the 1205 and later. The canister itself in the 1205 has no real styling like the G....it was cheaper to make the 1205's shape which was heralded/sold to be 'more modern'.
I'm not sure if you're trying make this ugly or just a friendly debate. If you're attempting the former, them I'm out. I'm also not going to get into piece by piece why I think the G is better made than its successors. If you wish, just call it a subjective choice on my part......why I think the G was the last great, classic Elux canister vac. I have two 1205's, I have a Super J and I have three Diamond J's. I like all of them for different, varied reasons. However, I feel the G is in a class all of its own.
Kevin
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Kevin,
I like good discussions and appreciate when posters can back up their claims in the process. Furthermore, I didn't think the original poster was looking for nostalgic reasons for choosing between the two cleaners.
I'm sorry that my questioning and effort to clarify offended you.
Responses to your statements:
1) Regarding the quality of EC products after Consolidated Foods became the majority shareholder, I would submit that EC maintained its standards until later in the '80s as evidenced by more problematic motors (according to VL and service techs' comments). At least through the 1980s many of the Consolidated Foods CEOs were former Electrolux Corp. CEOs who had more than a monetary interest in EC's products. They also wanted to maintain and build the company's decades-long respectable reputation.
2) I am not a service tech so cannot personally attest to the quality of the later motors and overall functioning of the cleaner. A more accurate assessment would be to hear reviews from unbiased users and service techs who've had much experience using and/or maintaining the G and others. As I mentioned earlier, Mr. McKee took exception with the perception of the G's superiority. That being said, if cheaper materials were used in successive models, it could be due to the increased cost of adding features such as the electric hose port and redesigned exhaust system.
3) "Heavy duty" switch on the G? I can't tell the difference between its quality and the later ones. Also "heavy duty" is not used to describe the switch in G instruction manuals. Maybe the broken ones you've seen on later models have been abused (just like the replaced ones I've seen on Gs).
4) Styling is a personal preference.
5) The Hospital G could not have been a widespread success with health care facilities, or the line would have continued in subsequent models. It's also telling that AB Electrolux never made its own similar model.
6) The successes and style of the Model G can stand on their own without claiming that subsequent EC models are of lesser overall quality or style. That's why I think its fairer to state that the Model G is ONE of Electrolux Corporation's best tank vacuum cleaners.
I look forward to having more VL discussions with you despite our disagreement on this issue.
I like good discussions and appreciate when posters can back up their claims in the process. Furthermore, I didn't think the original poster was looking for nostalgic reasons for choosing between the two cleaners.
I'm sorry that my questioning and effort to clarify offended you.
Responses to your statements:
1) Regarding the quality of EC products after Consolidated Foods became the majority shareholder, I would submit that EC maintained its standards until later in the '80s as evidenced by more problematic motors (according to VL and service techs' comments). At least through the 1980s many of the Consolidated Foods CEOs were former Electrolux Corp. CEOs who had more than a monetary interest in EC's products. They also wanted to maintain and build the company's decades-long respectable reputation.
2) I am not a service tech so cannot personally attest to the quality of the later motors and overall functioning of the cleaner. A more accurate assessment would be to hear reviews from unbiased users and service techs who've had much experience using and/or maintaining the G and others. As I mentioned earlier, Mr. McKee took exception with the perception of the G's superiority. That being said, if cheaper materials were used in successive models, it could be due to the increased cost of adding features such as the electric hose port and redesigned exhaust system.
3) "Heavy duty" switch on the G? I can't tell the difference between its quality and the later ones. Also "heavy duty" is not used to describe the switch in G instruction manuals. Maybe the broken ones you've seen on later models have been abused (just like the replaced ones I've seen on Gs).
4) Styling is a personal preference.
5) The Hospital G could not have been a widespread success with health care facilities, or the line would have continued in subsequent models. It's also telling that AB Electrolux never made its own similar model.
6) The successes and style of the Model G can stand on their own without claiming that subsequent EC models are of lesser overall quality or style. That's why I think its fairer to state that the Model G is ONE of Electrolux Corporation's best tank vacuum cleaners.
I look forward to having more VL discussions with you despite our disagreement on this issue.
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