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Apologies in advance if you feel Im being abrupt.. but

Oh yes, I know you're half German. You've reminded many a time of that fact continually. Good for you. I am not German, yet I have relatives in Munich, Koln and Nurnberg, most of which have been there since the 1960s.

Germany as a nation has always had a strong economy, helped along by nationalistic brands to save the German public from buying anything that is imported. They know a good brand when they see one and both Bentley & RR weren't exactly healthy when VW acquired Bentley and BMW with RR. Who can afford these prestigious brands? You?

The mere statement that you make "all W12 engines are going to be built by Bentley in Crewe," (Crewe, not Crew) begs the question to why they weren't produced there in the first place? The Germans are not interested in forming loyal, strengthening ties but rather just manufacture and to keep their costs low - after all VW were one of the first companies to recognise cheap manufacturing setting up their first factory in China in the 1980s. All other major brands shifted to the U.S including MB for car assembly.

There is also a great article online that states more about the "Made In Germany" campaign that I can explain.. "The designation “Made in Germany” is not a protected seal of quality. Nevertheless, many German people have confidence in this seal. Quality plays a prominent role in purchasing products like toys 80 %, food 70 %, kitchen appliances 63 %, cars 56 %, clothes and entertainment electronics 41 % (cf. N.N., http://www.business-wissen.de, 16/04/2012). Services and products from Germany and Switzerland are considered as unique, high quality, reliable and valuable, not only in Germany but also overseas.

The overall impression of products and services in twelve countries shows that there is a three-class society. Products and services from Switzerland, Germany and Japan are classified as excellent. USA, Great Britain, Austria, France and Italy are located in the middle class and in the worst class there are Brazil, Russia, India and China. Germany ranks among the top class with 72 % (cf. Feige et al, 17/04/2012)…."

http://labormum.com/2012/05/03/image-made-in-germany-does-it-still-exist/
 
I think I have mentioned the fact I am half Germany maybe a couple of times ahah. Not entirely sure I believe those statistics, as they don't quite add up. Austria is most akin to Germany out of the "middle quality countries", and I am not sure what vacuum cleaner, kettle or insurance company is widely common in Germany. If it was a governing poll, or a poll conducted by a seemingly legitimate Germany magazine then maybe, but discrete magazines making up statistics is something common everywhere, although I know for a fact Germans will buy German where possible, the French will buy French, the Swiss will buy Swiss, where as the British will buy any countries products, not through choice, but mainly because we don't make anything anymore.

I don't quite understand your logic behind the W12 engines not being produced in Crewe before hand. VW only bought Bentley 15 years ago and W12 engines were developed around 20 years ago, by Volkswagen. There is still a prestigious element attached to British made products despite what yourself or these polls suggest. Having a Bentley engine in your Audi is something many people will admire.

Forming loyal ties is something that a lot of companies an countries wont do through choice, but more to do with economics, for developing and producing things together is much more affordable. Look at Mercedes now using Renault engines in their A class, BMW now using Toyota hybrid technology.

And lastly, do you know how prosperous Bentley and Rolls Royce are now ? Their sales are increasing each year, wealthy middle eastern and Chinese buying their cars. RR are now so wealthy, they have stopped asking BMW for money for R&D.



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Actually the W12 engine plant are two VR6 engines sandwiched together as far as I understand it. The VR6 was available in the 1980s, so its a bit older than 20 years ago.

How can you suggest that there is a prestige consideration with British made products when in the next sentence you clearly state that British goods are no longer made?

Lastly, forming ties is one thing, other brands have done it well before MB and BMW with Toyota - Volvo (one of my favourite brands) tied contracts already with VW in the 1980s and consulted AUDI when they did their 5 cylinder engine. Volvo also had ties with Renault from the 1970s.
 
Anyway, to reiterate - SEBO may well have contracts with Numatic to produce uprights in the Numatic name for other countries - but the company are very conservative. I doubt that SEBO would consider using Numatic's motor because they already have tried and tested motors already.

What SEBO are finding hard to do, is being able to develop what they have in-house already but lowering the watts to meet acceptable performance. They have already found that producing a lower 700 watt motor seems to work well with some of their models, but lowering the watts on the X series for example may be tougher due to the single motor driven upright. Hence why I think you'll find there is no 700 watt Evolution upright...yet.
 
Two V6's bolted together, but it goes further than simply that obvisouly. The W12 engine itself is around 20 years old.

When I say we don't make anything, I mean in retrospect of Germany, where you can still buy a German made vacuum, or fridge or kettle, general domestic appliances. In comparison, we don't, but you can still buy British made clothes and cars, if you have the money, and there is a type of upper class attractiveness that comes with this. Wealthy Arabs and Chinese love British made things.

Regarding SEBO, there is a lot that can be experimented and use in their machines. In the future, I reckon they would look into brushless motors, which are becoming cheaper to produce. They are a more common site in fridge's and washing machines these days, they will soon trickle down to vacuum cleaners no doubt in one form or another.
 
Dysonboy, my carpet in my bedroom is like yours in pic 1, not sure if its the same depth though but my DC25 cleane r head is so light that it floats over the pile with the ball pushed into e pile, which means it has the same performance as a DC01
 
Dyson's DDMs aren't that special

Marcus, Dyson's "Digital Motors" are just brushless motors or induction motors with an inverter that they build in house to their own spec. The real advantage is that there's a lack of brush friction in them and they can be built potentially more compact. The RC hobbyists and powertool world have been reaping the benefits from the transition, but if you look at the mains powered powertools, short of single phase AC induction motors, the universal motor still has a place. Unless you want to talk about expensive, three phase driven AC induction motors used in industrial machinery, you're going to have to use an inverter and motor controller to drive them above 10k RPM since on a 2 pole motor on 60Hz mains, you're going to hit 7.2k RPM as a ceiling limit and simple VFDs can't make those motors spin faster, they need to be able to take the frequency and bump it up which means you're going to see some significant expensive electronics. Messing up on those expensive electronics means you get to have vacuums that die of stupid reasons as much as typical household appliances...

After all, have you seen Dyson using their DDM in the Cinetics where it makes perfect sense? They wouldn't have to deal with the motor brush particulate going into the HEPA post filter, so the only filtration they'd have to do is for anything smaller than 5 microns that gets past the cyclone pack. That means the HEPA filters stay clean longer and they could boast more, but their profit margin would go down significantly...
 
Yes but who knows what advances will happen in future years. If there is a real need for brushless motors in mains vacuum cleaners someone will find a way.

The future may be cordless though mains powered may go out of fashion.[this post was last edited: 2/14/2015-09:50]
 
Yes Dysons are overpriced no denying that but you will save

Sebo now recommend changing the filters after 16 dustbags due to the high filtration synthetic material. So if a Sebo X series bag lasts 3 months that's roughly a box of bags every 2 years at a cost of £10 odd. So in 4 years you will have brought a box of bags and a Service box at a total of approx £30...Not £200 lol!!!
Seamus
 
The Felix the exhaust filter is £20 plus pre motor filter £9 plus bags over 5 years. How much is that?
Anyway I paid 319 for my Dyson plus 6 free tools and I'm very happy with it :-)
 
Felix pet is £265 ATM so do the maths :-)
And I think Roger recently picked up his DC40 2015 model for £185
 
That is the royale its not a popular model and no turbo brush. Anyway no point arguing, you're happy I'm happy so we will leave it at that :-)
 
Sebo Felix Navy Eco starts at £239. Pack of 8 bags RRP £8.95. Motor filter £5.95 ideal to replace once a year. Exhaust Filter RRP £17.95. Such a large surface area, only really requires replacing every 5 or 6 years. I wouldn't find the turbo brush useful so that's probably not something many people would need unless they have pets.

Charcoal filter for Felix RRP £19.96.
 
Oh really Nar my mistake.Must be a lot of patriotic people out there. They certainly won't sell a lot in Wales haha, maybe they should have a welsh dragon model.:p I think a lot of people would find a mini turbo brush very handy. It's great for cleaning my car. I think Sebo recommend changing the exhaust filter every 10 to 20 bags. I would err on the lower end around 10 to 15 bags so change filter about every 20 to 30 months. Filter £17.95 plus £4 standard delivery.

Anyway I love my Felix and I'm considering an X4 or G1 but I also love my Dyson :-)[this post was last edited: 2/15/2015-03:39]
 
I already asked for the Scottish flag but SEBO said no : (

However they did let me know that in Germany and America, the British Union jack Royale has been a surprisingly good seller. Much more than worldwide sales of the previous "Rare" orange "Fun" model.

The turbo brush can be picked up at John Lewis. Last time I looked, it cost £29-95 which is £5 cheaper than SEBO UK and before P&P charges. Sadly onlu JL sell the basic microfilter and not the charcoal one.
 

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