Sebo Softcase CE12 in USA!
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I can be happy with the plug in models.It is low cost-actually cheaper than Oreck and Simplicity-Riccar models.Will see if the Sebo dealer here can get these.He has gotten NO info from Sebo regarding these vacuums.Seems like its a good value.
luxlife
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On my way to look at one this afternoon.
Looks like it’s well engineered. I want to get a better idea of the noise level. It’s so hard to tell from a smartphone recording. I like the easy access to the brush roll and that it has what is probably an extended life belt. The only thing missing is a speed selector, which is what attracted me to the better Oreck and Simplicity / Riccar models. I use the low speed for delicate rugs more than flooring.
Looks like it’s well engineered. I want to get a better idea of the noise level. It’s so hard to tell from a smartphone recording. I like the easy access to the brush roll and that it has what is probably an extended life belt. The only thing missing is a speed selector, which is what attracted me to the better Oreck and Simplicity / Riccar models. I use the low speed for delicate rugs more than flooring.
evolutionclean1
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Luxlife
I was seeing something on the ratings that said 79dB? Granted the meters that they use are probably very sensitive and calibrated down. I'd imagine it'd be close to a Sanitaire, maybe a bit quieter because the bag is reinforced?
I was seeing something on the ratings that said 79dB? Granted the meters that they use are probably very sensitive and calibrated down. I'd imagine it'd be close to a Sanitaire, maybe a bit quieter because the bag is reinforced?
luxlife
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I was impressed!
I could really feel it digging into the carpet pile at the store. It was very easy to maneuver. It’s a great option for someone who already knows the brand and doesn’t care for what the competition is offering.
That decibel score might be about right. It wasn’t an unpleasant sound at all. I suppose there hasn’t been a quiet direct air upright since the Eureka 260. I think that upright has the most pleasant sound. Honestly, the noise level of this Sebo is on par with my Riccar Supralite. I could get used to it, but I have a lot of fragile rugs so I really do need the low speed option on my Supralite.
I could really feel it digging into the carpet pile at the store. It was very easy to maneuver. It’s a great option for someone who already knows the brand and doesn’t care for what the competition is offering.
That decibel score might be about right. It wasn’t an unpleasant sound at all. I suppose there hasn’t been a quiet direct air upright since the Eureka 260. I think that upright has the most pleasant sound. Honestly, the noise level of this Sebo is on par with my Riccar Supralite. I could get used to it, but I have a lot of fragile rugs so I really do need the low speed option on my Supralite.
Question: what is the benefit of having a fan driven by a belt from the main motor? Can’t fathom why Sebo did this. After all, most every upright on the market has the fan connected directly to the spindle of the motor.
Thoughts?
Thoughts?
blackheart
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An excellent question
I don't have an actual answer but just speculating there are multiple possibilities
1. a clutch setup to prevent damage in case of a fan jam
2. overdrive! like the inverse of gear reduction where you would sacrifice torque for increased speed.
3. Placement. Maybe they just couldn't get the setup to work they way they wanted without it?
I don't have an actual answer but just speculating there are multiple possibilities
1. a clutch setup to prevent damage in case of a fan jam
2. overdrive! like the inverse of gear reduction where you would sacrifice torque for increased speed.
3. Placement. Maybe they just couldn't get the setup to work they way they wanted without it?
Thanks Blackheart…those seem like reasonable answers…..
luxlife
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#2- Overdrive seems reasonable to me.
That got me thinking that the belt drive might help compensate for any resistance that might occur to the brush roll from thick carpeting, or to the air flow from the bag becoming filled. If the fan is turning faster than it needs to be, then perhaps it maintains a minimum level of efficiency throughout the filling of the entire bag? If there’s one thing that my X series upright does very well, it still cleans well even when the bag is packed.
That got me thinking that the belt drive might help compensate for any resistance that might occur to the brush roll from thick carpeting, or to the air flow from the bag becoming filled. If the fan is turning faster than it needs to be, then perhaps it maintains a minimum level of efficiency throughout the filling of the entire bag? If there’s one thing that my X series upright does very well, it still cleans well even when the bag is packed.
panasonicvac
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I hope these will succeed
I just have a feeling they're going to flop like the Shop Vac EasyLift or the ProTeam FreeFlex for example since those didn't lasted very long on the market. I think they're great to have for the collection but as a consumer, I have a hard time seeing why I'd buy this over their other models like the X series or even it's competition like Oreck or Riccar.
I just have a feeling they're going to flop like the Shop Vac EasyLift or the ProTeam FreeFlex for example since those didn't lasted very long on the market. I think they're great to have for the collection but as a consumer, I have a hard time seeing why I'd buy this over their other models like the X series or even it's competition like Oreck or Riccar.
luxlife
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I do too.
It’s a great choice for anyone who just wants a machine to vacuum carpets and nothing more. People have forgotten what an upright vacuum is supposed to look like because on-board tools have been normalized. I think there’s plenty of market share for a new lightweight upright vacuum that is of higher quality.
It’s a great choice for anyone who just wants a machine to vacuum carpets and nothing more. People have forgotten what an upright vacuum is supposed to look like because on-board tools have been normalized. I think there’s plenty of market share for a new lightweight upright vacuum that is of higher quality.
One thing I really don’t understand is the wisdom behind the placement of the power bar on the side of the motor hood. It could easily be pressed in if the vac is knocked accidentally by banging into a chair leg or other piece of furniture. Why would they not just put it on top somewhere?
Thank you for sharing the video! I am very very interested in this. I saw the Karcher Ranger factory refurbished on eBay for $199, and was tempted, but the color scheme isn't for me. But I'm mostly concerned about bag/parts availability. It's not standardized and I think we'll have to see how long it lasts on the market. A great addition to a collection but maybe not for everyday use.
Definitely going to keep an eye on this thread for any updates. The white Sebo looks so much better than the Karcher and I'll probably end up buying one once it hits the states.
Definitely going to keep an eye on this thread for any updates. The white Sebo looks so much better than the Karcher and I'll probably end up buying one once it hits the states.
blackheart
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Overdrive!
So I saw this video on youtube which showed the interior of the battery model which does use a larger gear to overdrive the fan. I'd assume it's similar on the corded model but the lack of schematics doesn't allow me to confirm.
So I saw this video on youtube which showed the interior of the battery model which does use a larger gear to overdrive the fan. I'd assume it's similar on the corded model but the lack of schematics doesn't allow me to confirm.
repairman
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I'm glad to see some new competition come to the lightweight market. Other than Oreck and the Riccar Supralite, there's really no other options unless you count the Perfect P110 which is private labeled for Bissell Commercial as well. The Supralite exists under at least 10 brands.
Sebo will be at an advantage for developing a new machine from scratch since they can learn from other manufacturer's mistakes and improve upon them. The power switch seems reminiscent of a Eureka Bravo. I've read that it also acts as a reset button if the brushroll gets jammed.
Sebo will be at an advantage for developing a new machine from scratch since they can learn from other manufacturer's mistakes and improve upon them. The power switch seems reminiscent of a Eureka Bravo. I've read that it also acts as a reset button if the brushroll gets jammed.
dysonman1
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So it looks like Sebo has invented the 1935 Air-Way DirtMasteR. It had a single motor that drove the fan(s) with a belt as well as drove the beater-bar brush roll (with "steel tipped rubber vibrators"). The Air-Way had a novel way of closing off the suction to the brush for an attachment hose. There's a wonderful video on youtube by Owen Perkins of his DirtMasteR and how it works.
luxlife
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I hope that they come out with a 2 speed version. That’s the only thing holding me back.
With that separate belt going to the brush roll, they could add an option to turn off the brush roll for bare floor cleaning. Might be a nice feature to add in the future. I guess it would mean adding a “belt loosening” mechanism similar to that which we’ve seen on Kenmores and Hoovers and Eureka’s SmartVac.
panasonicvac
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Comparison video
One dealer tested the Sebo out against a Riccar.
One dealer tested the Sebo out against a Riccar.
Still no SEbo vacs like this in my area.The dealer is still checking with Sebo they haven't given him the word when these will be available in Greenville.The wait goes on.
evolutionclean1
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I don't think
We'll be seeing the Sebo in the US for awhile. The equivalent we have here is the Karcher Ranger, both the corded and cordless. The corded is at an affordable price point too
We'll be seeing the Sebo in the US for awhile. The equivalent we have here is the Karcher Ranger, both the corded and cordless. The corded is at an affordable price point too
Does anyone have a Sebo dealer contact here in the states with these in stock? There's a dealer in Canada that seems willing to ship it here but I'd be worried about returns if something went wrong. I think the Sebo looks way better than the Karcher.
https://vacuumspecialists.com/product/sebo-softcase-ce12-upright-vacuum/
https://vacuumspecialists.com/product/sebo-softcase-ce12-upright-vacuum/
I have a Sebo Softcase CE12-the dealer has another in his stock.When I bought mine he was saying he could not sell it without Sebos approval.He was on the phone with them and the dealer sold me mine.Its a nice vacuum.Few bad things-the cord is too short and the side footswitch is awkward to use.The dealer says he can sell the machines without problems after this month.
Excellent!
Okay i’ll check in again next month. That is disappointing about the short cord. Definitely one of my pet peeves. But I haven’t been this excited about a new vacuum in awhile. we haven’t had a new direct-air soft case machine in awhile
Okay i’ll check in again next month. That is disappointing about the short cord. Definitely one of my pet peeves. But I haven’t been this excited about a new vacuum in awhile. we haven’t had a new direct-air soft case machine in awhile
The Karcher Ranger is now on sale for $199 on both their website and Amazon.
https://www.kaercher.com/us/commercial/vacuum-cleaners/upright/ranger-10129000.html
https://www.kaercher.com/us/commercial/vacuum-cleaners/upright/ranger-10129000.html
panasonicvac
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They may be already having a hard time selling those, I bet that's why they're putting it at a discount. I mean don't get me wrong, that's indeed a very good deal but as I mentioned previously, why would I buy one over something else with attachments on-board and better features? I could possibly consider one if they come out with a lightweight compact canister like Oreck or Riccar as a companion to those.
manchestervacs
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We've got one.
We imported a CE12 from Canada just to have a look at.
It is very light! It reminds me somewhat of an Oreck, a machine we can no longer get in the UK. In fact, there's nothing similar on the market in the UK.
Like the BP60, the carpet cleaning is excellent! I've just done an unboxing, floor test and opinion video that some of you guys might like.
We imported a CE12 from Canada just to have a look at.
It is very light! It reminds me somewhat of an Oreck, a machine we can no longer get in the UK. In fact, there's nothing similar on the market in the UK.
Like the BP60, the carpet cleaning is excellent! I've just done an unboxing, floor test and opinion video that some of you guys might like.
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