Royal Upright Bags, Fill tubes, ect

[briankirbyclass]

Ben, or anyone that has Royal Uprights of the 60s, 70s, 80s, could you please take pics and show the bag systems. Especially the ones that take the paper bags/liners.
Please forgive my ignorance on this,,have never used a Royal Upright, and am curious about the bags.
Is there a docking system/fill tube simular to a Kirby, or what exactly is the inner bag clamped to,,or how is the paper bag held in place inside the outer bag?
What are the Royal disposable bags like,,are they simular to the Kirby G Series bags, or are they Hepa like the Sentria bags, or? Is there such a thing as a Hepa bag system for converting the older Royal uprights?
Im assuming they are made and still avalible from Royal?
Is there such a thing as generic?

Also, to hook up the hose to the front of a Royal Upright, there is a seperate tool used to take the belt off, and put it back on? How easy is this?
I would think many housewives of the 50s, 60s, 70s,80s would have found this to be very unhandy?
Also, the front head of the Royal does NOT come off like a Kirby does, is that correct?

How does one go about changing the belt on a Royal Upright?

IM assuming its not the same system as the Kirby Belt Lifter,,altho there are/were Royal models that DID have the belt lifter system like Kirby.

Is there a way to modify a Royal bag with a Kirby G Series fill tube and bag coupler to take the Kirby G series bags?

Thanks in advance!

 

[kc_kirby]

Brian, the Royal bag system was basically just like a Eureka F&G style. It had a tube coming up from the bottom of the bag and you hold the bag on with a spring. In fact, you could use F&G bags in a Royal. The belt is harder to change than a Kirby. Royal makes a tool to aid in the belt installation which does help a lot. The tool is made out of plastic and was even included with the Dirt Devil hand vacuums. You have to take off the belt cover in front to install the belt over the shaft. I'm not sure if they had the tool back in the 60's and 70's. And yes, the head does not come off like a Kirby except for the models that did have a removable head.

Chad

 

[kirbyclassiciii]

Brian,

Yes, all Royal uprights made prior to about 1990 that used disposable paper bag inserts were of the type "A" style. 1989 and later models used the type "B" paper bag inserts and had a different fill tube.

So the type "A" Royal bag systems were bottom fill, whereas the type "B" bag systems were top fill.

To install the hose on a Royal, like Chad says, the front cover plate is removed from the nozzle. Then, detach the belt from the motor shaft (which drives the revolving brush) using the special black plastic belt lifter tool (or slotted screwdriver). You then hook up the attachment converter for the hose in place of the Adjust-O-Rite or other cover plate. Then hook up the female end of the hose to that and you're set.

There were in fact three Royal models whose heads were detachable like the Kirby units: models 888 (Royal), 980 (Electro-Hygiene) and 990 (Galaxie Prestige). These were produced from 1971 through circa 1985.

I'm not sure if there is a way as to modify the Royal to take Kirby HEPA bags.

~Ben

 

[hygiene903]

Royal Uprights

Brian,
There isn't much I can add to what Chad and Ben have told you already. Royal does make HEPA bags for the later models that use the type B bags, but I'm not sure if they're available in type A.
To change belts, first remove the Adjust-o-rite cover and remove the belt from the shaft. Then turn the cleaner over, remove the rug guard (simply snaps off), and pull out one side of the brushroll, noting the position of the wear compensating brushroll end so you can reinstall it in the same position. Remove old belt from brushroll, replace with new one, and snap brushroll back into position. Snap rug guard back on and set cleaner right side up. Using belt lifter tool or flat screwdriver, stretch the belt up & over the shaft. Before replacing the adjust-o-rite plate, turn the cleaner on to make sure the belt is on the right way--if it isn't, it will come off the shaft as soon as the cleaner is turned on. Don't worry, this is much quicker to actually do than it is to tell about it!
As for changing over for attachments, I think it's a little quicker & easier to pop off the cap and belt and plug in the hose on the Royal (I usually leave the hose adapter connected to the hose) than it is to remove the nozzle on the Kirby.
Jeff

 

[briankirbyclass]

Thanks guys! May be adding a Royal Upright to my collection someday.

 

[tolivac]

You can put a Royal "B" outer bag on the older ones so you can use the top fill "B" bags instead.Save the old "A"bag for collecting purposes.Spare outer "B" cloth bags can be obtained or ordered thru vacuum stores.I am sure you can get them online,too.I have some Kirby "F" bag fill tubes-will see if I can fit one into an "A" bag Royal I have to see if it will work.Remember someone on this forum was doing those conversions-for performance and Kirby bags easy to obtain.Greenville Vacuum and Sewing is in the process of inquiring with TTI- Hoover to check on replacement Filtrete style "B" bags--Mike has a Hoover lightweight vacuum-just like its Royal counterpart-that uses "B" bags.A Filtrete "B" bag comes with the machine.A Hoover rep left him with some "Hoover" branded "B" bags that are just like the Royal "B" ones made from the multilayer yellow paper.She was trying to tell him they were Filtrete.At one time he got one of those Filtrete "B" bags---but TTI-Hoover sold them individually at $8.00 each!Both Mike and I think this is some kind of mistake on their part-after all the Kirby and other brands of Filtrete type bags are less than what TTI-Hoover wants.The investigation goes on.would LOVE to have some of those TTI-Hoover "B" bags for my Royals that use "B" bags-the Filtrete one fits OK.JHust some confusion on TTI-Hoover and the reps part.$8.00 per bag sounds pretty crazy for a low priced cleaner.