Royal Metal Vacuums - New, Used, or Decades Old Used?

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Hello!
I am a new member here and this is my very first post.
I have to admit that when I first stumbled onto this site I was a bit humored by the thought that there is a website for people who collect -of all things- vacuum cleaners! But now that I have browsed through the site, visited a few dealers, watched a few videos and read a ton of reviews, I am suddenly starting to see what the hub-bub is all about.

Anyway, after going through several low end vacuums in last few years I've decided that I was going to finally invest in a bit more quality. I originally wanted a Dyson. But after a bit of research I started looking at the Hoover Platinum Bagged Upright. Then, after a bit more research I decided on an Oreck Magnesium. And finally, after seeing a Royal for the first time at the dealer, I've decided on a Royal all metal unit.

Now the question is, should I buy new, used, or even decades old used.

As you guys probably already know, a brand new Royal RY8300 can run anywhere from $400-700. But a good condition used model can be from $250-300. A decades old model on the other hand can be had for less than $100.00!

Would it be worth it to just get a vintage model and restore it?
Are belts, rollers, shakeout bags and disposable bags interchangeable with newer models?
Also, does anybody know if Royals used aluminum or stainless steel for the housing and if they polish up easily?

Thanks for any replies.
Jason
 
Royals are very easy to polish. On my 10 amp model 4000 I was able to make the vacuum shine like a mirror just with some Mothers polish and a rag. There are 2 styles of bags for the metal total uprights.
A bags were used up until 1990, when royal switched to B bags. A bags are no longer produced by royal, but are interchangeable with Eureka F&G bags.
B bags are the current style of bags royal uses on their metal vacuums.
If I were you, I would go with a 1990s Royal. They are better made then the current everlast, ans were built in America.
 
Thanks for the reply Ian.
Forgive my ignorance but when you say "A" bags and "B" bags you mean the disposable bags right? Or do you mean the outer bag? I found a nice looking Royal 801 but it loos like the outer bag could use a little help. Wondering if I can just get a modern outer bag and slap it on.

-a little off topic but I wonder if it's possible to retrofit a Sanitaire Dust Cup/Bag assembly onto a Royal -
 
Jason,

Yes, these are disposable bags.

The "A" style bags were used on all pre-1990 models whereas the "B" style bags were used on 1990 and later models. The "A" style bags were bottom-fill, and the "B" style bags are top-fill type.

~Ben
 
I agree with the suggestion to buy a used 900 series from the 1990's with the adjust-O-rite step-on height adjuster.
They were made in the US, very good quality and should last forever.
 
Really any royal from the 1990's or older.My old "Mystery" Royal (I call it that because it has no model sticker,But it's about the same as a model 880) Has been going strong,Yet quiet and efficent since i brought it.To consider this thing was build in the 70's/80's and still can out-perform today's high-wattage screamers.

-Alex.
 
The Royal Uprights are great vacuums.  They are simple, straightforward, and easy to use.  As others have said, an American made model from the 1990s would be an excellent choice.  The Type B bag also comes in three different filtration levels, including a "HEPA type".  Another selling point for me is the 40 foot cord. 
 
Jason, stick with 1990-1996 Royal Metal Uprights....

For starters, starting in the year 1990, they introduced a new 10-blade metal fan that moves more air than the 6-blade fan does. I guess you could change the fan, but I don't know for certain, & it would require a trip to a repair shop to change it. In addition, the late 1980's Royals saw the start of the brushroll with plastic stiffeners around the brush, which increase the beating action. I have seen an Ebay listing tonight showing an older Royal with this brushroll (versus the older style), but you'll have to shell out more money for it in addition to buying the vacuum.

However, the main reason I say from 1990 to 1996 is they upped the amps to 7 amps, which is the highest available at that time & will provide the same airflow & suction the new 10-amp Screamer Royals that are Chinese-made have now. Also, around 1995 or 1996 (Ben Edge will know FOR SURE what year it was) they changed to a drop-in motor. Prior to this, they used motors that have an oiling port for the rear bearing at the back....if you are looking on Ebay, you will notice a red cap by the rear wheels, this is the cap for the oiling port. You will need to oil the motor once a year with some 10W-30 motor oil....just any generic motor oil will do, no fancy brand needed. I am not certain of the reliability of the drop-in motor, but if I was planning this vacuum to last a long time, I would rather stick with the older motor with a proven track record, if it was me buying this vacuum.

As far as the bagging system goes, that's also another reason to stick to 1990's Royals. That's when they changed to the Style B top-fill bag system. You will see 2 styles of bag available....a zippered bag that can ONLY be used with bags (most common), & on commercial models there is a shake-out bag system. This shake-out bag uses the same top-fill tube as the zippered outer bag, & is emptied by removing the bag from the machine, removing a slide clamp at the top, shaking vigorously, & then emptying into the trash. Since it uses the same tube as the zippered bag, it can be used with the Style B bags if desired. The shake-out bag is made of denim, vs normal fabric for the zippered bag, so it may also be a bit more durable, too, but it's not something I would worry about. There are a few different types of B bags available....standard, micro-filtration, Paper HEPA bags & white HEPA Cloth bags, like Kirby uses, and of course there are generic brands available. This would be a good reason to avoid the earlier zippered bag that uses the A style bags....if you go to use Eureka F&G bags, as that's all that is available now, they are only available in standard & micro-filtration, not the best if you have allergies.

In regards to the height adjustment....I know some people here have said to go with models with the Adjust-O-Rite step-on height adjuster, but I would be reluctant to do so myself. There are only 5 height adjustment settings on it. I have 2 Royal uprights myself, both of which have the Infinite Screw-Adjustment, & that's what I prefer as it allows you to adjust it precisely. If you have only 1 or 2 types of carpet in your home, you should be just fine....simply use the handle lock to put your Royal & roll it from room to room on the rear wheels. My only concern with the Adjust-O-Rite is whether you would be happy with how precise the height adjustment is, but you could always see if your local repair shop will let you take a new Royal home to try out & see if you like it first before buying a model with it.

As for the idea of buying an older model Royal & putting a new outer bag on it, that would be a bad idea. The zippered outer bag is VERY expensive to buy....I was thinking of changing it on my Royal Commercial 670CA, as it uses the shake-out bag & I thought for some reason the zippered bag was larger, I found out it's not larger, though, & a new zippered bag would have cost $125 to buy. If you were to buy an older Royal & put newer parts on it, the best way to go about it would be to find a vac shop that has old used parts in good shape, or find a couple of parts machines. As for the other parts....the belt is the same on ALL the Royals....they all use a Royal Style 8 belt, which is also the same as the Eureka AR canister belt or the Kirby upright belt. The Eureka & Royal belt should be easiest to find in a store, & the Royal belt in particular fits the Dirt Devil Jaguar canisters....they just don't mention on the package, for some reason, that it will also fit the Royal Metal Uprights, too. And if you look at a Royal & Kirby belt, the dimensions are EXACTLY the same & both are knurled....it's obvious they are both outsourced to the same belt company.

If you do follow through with buying a used vacuum, there are 3 items I would purchase immediately for it. 1. A new set of carbon brushes to have on hand....you don't know how hard it was used, & if it's REALLY old, like pre-1985, they could already need to be changed soon after purchase. 2. A new power switch....again, you don't know how much wear & tear the vacuum has, & power switches are a common failure item on vacuums; at least you will have a spare if needed. 3. A new brushroll....just to have on hand when the time for replacement comes around.

Below is a link to a Royal vacuum that shows the newer-style brushroll with the plastic stiffeners, but I am also posting it because it's also a prime example of what you want to AVOID BUYING. This one would just be too old to give a long serviceable life, & isn't worth the money they are asking for it. Also, Jason, if you like, I also have a Adobe PDF document from Royal which has the instructions for oiling the rear bearing....if you, or anybody else for that matter....would like it, simply email me at the email address in my profile.

Best of luck....Rob

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Roy...982?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f1d44602e
 
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Jason, Alex, Rob,

Although Royal switched to the drop-in motor design in the spring of 1995, they continued to make the vacuums here in the U.S. through much of 2002.

All Royals with the 6 and 7 amp motors, 1992 and earlier, do use the same belt (part #1044260001); however, most all of the 5.4 and lower amperage Royals use a different belt (part #1043260001). 1992 and later models, use part #1672260001.

Brush roll availability is also different, so read this:

Also pay attention to the shape of the ends on your brush roll: if you have a model made before April 1992, it will have square ends on it. Models made after that date will have hex ends on the brush roll.

* 4.5 to 5.4 amp machines could be had with the #2059721000 single-row brush, the #2060221000 beater-bar brush, or the #2080221000 double-row brush (no stiffener). 1990-92 models will use the #2675221000 double-row brush (ball bearings/no stiffener). 1992 and later machines will use the #2655225000 double-rower (hex ends/ball bearings).

* 6.0 and 7.0 amp machines could be had with the #2088221000 double-row brush with stiffener. 1990-92 models will use the #2675227000 brush roll (ball bearings/stiffener). 1992 and later machines will use the #2673273000 double-rower/stiffener (hex ends/ball bearings).

* For 18" wide track uprights (models 618/620, 680/682/7800/7820 and 690/7900 series): pre-1990 models will use the #2061821000 brush roll, 1990-92 models will use the #2695227000 brush roll (ball bearings), and 1992-95 models will use the #2692225000 brush roll (ball bearings/hex ends). All pre-1992 models use the #1044260001 belt; 1992 and later, #1672260001.

~Ben

http://www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?18442_0
 
I don't find it unusually loud.  However, if I remember correctly, the original brush roll was straight bristles.  (But my memory does fail me sometimes)  However, I installed a new brush roll with stiffeners.  The brush stiffeners really do a lot to propel this machine along!  It's a GREAT vacuum!

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Thanks for all the great replies!!!
Looks like I need to be a bit more specific in my search for a used Royal.
Good news is I got my el'cheapo Bissel working again so my search isn't as urgent anymore.

Would you guys think it would be easier to maintain an old Kirby (Sanitronic Line or similar with the simple "stick" style handle) as compared to a 90's Royal?

There's a guy here locally selling a functioning Sanitronic.
 
Tweaking Royal 4008

I'd like to add my questions to this thread, because it's already full of useful info that's probably relevant to my questions.

I recently got a very nice model 880. Only qualms I had with it was the lack of brush stiffeners (not recommended for its low 3 amp motor), and the necessity to adjust the height with the hand wheel. Also, I wanted the quick release cord hook, but I could have added that.

Sold it on Ebay and bought a model 4008. It's got everything I wanted, including the toe-touch height adjuster, which has infinite adjustment. One thing it has, that's not working, is the roller speed sensor. I noticed in the Ebay images they had the roller on backward. When I received it the roller was in the correct orientation, but I can see where having it backward would interfere with that sensor. The pin coming out of the sensor moves in and out about 1/16", and there is no resistance across it and ground. That's a $20.00 part #2673274000. Not sure I want to bother paying to fix it, because it's pretty obvious when the roller is spinning.

Unfortunately, the brush stiffeners seem to set up a vibration in the front housing when they're in contact with the carpet. Vibration/ rattle does not go away when Rite-Hite cover and bottom plate are removed. Nor is the light cover or deodorizer chamber causing the rattle. Other than that, the machine is a keeper. It's not as loud as the 10 amp model 1030Z I have, but the buzz/ rattle makes it sound cheap. Not sure what I'd have to stiffen up to make it go away. The 1030Z doesn't have this issue, and it's an issue that will bug me forever.

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Repaired Roller Speed Sensor

I had been checking resistance between the external "probe" and ground. Now that I have it opened up, I can see there would never be continuity. The probe is a core, around which is the winding.

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